Woref

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1340208016' post='2990075'] tbh, I still think we should sign that MADP that only applies to wars against WAPA [/quote] [quote name='conistonslim' timestamp='1340311060' post='2992076'] Might be fun. Reminds me, I think it was BZelger who posted a draft for potential future use back in Feb entitled The Shark Accords. [/quote] Aww... It's touching how much you guys care about us

Congrats, guys!

[quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1326125354' post='2896318'] [...] and woref assuming he is outnumbered 8:1 [...] [/quote] I'm going to assume you don't completely lack the ability to understand what you're reading and were actually just skimming the topic looking for things to mock. Please go back and read that post, preferably in the context of that to which I was responding. I was certainly not claiming we were outnumbered 8:1.

Congratulations on peace!

[quote name='The Great One' timestamp='1325982477' post='2895176'] You demonstrate your lack of knowledge as to the war system even while thinking you are making a point. C- for effort. To even get an offensive war off STA nations have to escape anarchy, which shouldn't happen at all when you've got 3x or more our numbers and can rotate in and out to stock nukes. [/quote] Because you're totally the only alliance we're fighting By your standard you've got over 8x or numbers.

[quote name='The Great One' timestamp='1325979924' post='2895141'] We were seeing you the least well before KoH and NpO joined. I think I could count your offensive wars on two hands (ok ok, probably three) for the first week. You've had around half a dozen nations who actually seem to like war. The other 90% of you though have just sat there and taken their lickings from NpO/KoH and us when we can declare. At least Colossus nations have had warchests, and GLoF seems able to stagger somewhat. I can't think of a redeeming trait for WAPA militarily however. Ok, scratch that. At least my WAPA war hasn't tried spying tanks, infra, and CMs away daily. I suppose Saintscott deserves some props, he singlehandedly has probably declared 10%-15% of your offensive wars. [/quote] 54 out 129 of our still listed wars are offensive. I'm pretty sure the ratio of our numbers to our opponents is much smaller than that. EDIT: Even better, we have 43 declarations on STA, you only have 18 on us.

[quote name='The Great One' timestamp='1325967862' post='2895014'] Are you sure? I've seen plenty of your friends, but WAPA seems to have missed the party for the most part. I know KoH and NpO had to bring the party to you as you weren't really in the spirit to party, although you sure love to talk about it. [/quote] WAPA is both smaller than the two AZTEC alliances and until recently was fighting the most enemies... so it kind of makes sense you'd see us the least. I also notice that 4 of your top 5 are in PM and 2 haven't fought any battles; I think they're the party poopers .

[quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325797351' post='2893489'] Monkeybum actually seems to for some reason from his line that "And they did it on an oA treaty", as if the oA treaty aspect is relevant. Hence my point on that. [/quote] It [i]is[/i] relevant. If it were mandatory that would be one thing; holding a mandatory treaty clause over a friendship is understandable. However, they [i]had a choice[/i] of whether or not to attack us, and thus essentially start a war with Colossus. The fact that it was oA means they had no obligation to take the action they did.

[quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325795578' post='2893472'] Right, and KoH came in to help Polar. Polar was indeed trying to help out STA, but KoH was coming in to help polar via a treaty chain. This is in fact your own side's standard of conduct as evidenced by WAPA oAing in. Whether or not this standard is proper or not is irrelevant since AZTEC and WAPA can't really claim it's improper when they themselves are upholding that standard.[/quote] No one's claiming coming into a war on oA is a problem; the issue is using oA to attack the close ally of a friend (as well as the ally of an ally).

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1325786272' post='2893396'] You can continue to try and defend the indefensible with these water-thin legalistic arguments, [...] [/quote] I don't think that word means what you think it means... in fact I'm pretty sure it means the opposite.

[quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325773589' post='2893325'] But here's the rub: was it made clear to KoH that KoH was expected to not attack an ally of Colossus for an undefined amount of time? There was a post earlier about an expectation to do tech deals after the reconstruction aid was given (but nobody else has mentioned that; someone clarifying it would be appreciated). But as far as I can tell, there was no NAP requirement with Colossus's allies.[/quote] Who the hell cares if it was stipulated? Colossus helped out KoH, KoH pulled a dick move on Colossus, Colossus defeated them, and Colossus is taking back that help. I don't see how it's shocking that an alliance is taking back aid that was used against them. Seems pretty reasonable to me. [quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325773589' post='2893325'] [...] because you seem to be retroactively applying a stipulation for aid given. That's really not cool. KoH came in with Polar to help alleviate some burden on Polar's new front with WAPA.[/quote] BS. Polar didn't need any burden alleviated on our front. It barely existed. There were [i]maybe[/i] one or two wars, and KoH's DoW was the first most of us had heard about Polar being at war with us (they stuck the declaration in the DoW on STA thread). KoH could have easily been brought in on any front. They chose to hit an ally of Colossus. [quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325773589' post='2893325']Disagree with their reasons if you will (although considering that WAPA also oAed into this war I find such criticism strange),[/quote] We oAed on an alliance to which we had no positive connection. KoH oAed on an alliance allied to someone who had helped them in the past and an ally of one of their other allies (CCC). [quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325773589' post='2893325']but the point still stands: does Colossus think it's appropriate to put a stipulation on aid received after the fact? Most people would say no. Look, there's nothing wrong with putting a stipulation on reconstruction aid. You just have to put that stipulation in place before someone accepts it. [/quote] Think of it this way: if you win a war, you have a right to demand pretty much whatever you want (assuming you can get the loser to accept it). If you attack someone who gave you aid in the past, you shouldn't be upset if they want it back (and to KoH's credit, they don't seem to be upset).

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[quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1323229058' post='2866655'] Some things are too distasteful to accept and WAPA is one of them. Polaris recognises a state of war with WAPA for attacking our beloved Tigers. [/quote] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3sYZWryNtLU/Tnp8WC6xCII/AAAAAAAAJ8U/SiAFpXeF5go/s1600/Go%2BAway%2BPlane%2B-%2BYou%2BAre%2BDrunk.jpg[/img]

[quote name='obscurus' timestamp='1322854995' post='2859515'] Come on folks, let's put up some friendly war banter by our propaganda departments. We go first. [img]http://i.imgur.com/jA9Yl.jpg[/img] [/quote] Where'd you find that? I went tiger hunting, but all saw were these: [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R74rM_W1ZiM/TiuYoTTi6II/AAAAAAAAAXI/EOcJ9kl1GvE/s1600/white-tiger-3.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.buzzinbizarre.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/whitetigerdeformed1.jpg[/img]