Martijn

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='25 February 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1267118667' post='2203168'] The issue here is that FOK has declared (through their choice or MK's) on an old friend and that shows a lack of class. [/quote] If TOP hadn't attacked MK, FOK and TOP would now not be fighting. It's as simple as that. Of course FOK did not want to go to war with TOP and as Divi and many others have already gone out of their way to explain, FOK is not happy with this situation at all. But having said that, treaty obglitations are not to be taken lightly. FOK's signature on an MDP means something and that is why we are now meeting on the battlefield. If that isn't classy, I don't know what is.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='25 February 2010 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1267104920' post='2202958'] ... except that it states three times in their DoW that they are not. [/quote] It is completely irrelevant if TOP's attack is a seperate war or part of something larger. It changes nothing to the fact we have a treaty with MK and not with TOP, making the defence of MK against TOP the only possible option.

[quote name='Mussolandia' date='24 February 2010 - 07:49 AM' timestamp='1266990807' post='2200686'] There is definitely a pattern. It is the second time FOK declares on a former ally a short while after the end of obligations. [/quote] Funny how you leave out that each time, the former ally aggressively attacked one of FOK's allies. If there is a pattern, it's a pattern of FOK honoring their treaties, even when the choice is a tough one.

Ironically, this is exactly what happened to NPO. Their loss is not caused by their lack of military readiness, but because too few alliances were willing to defend them.

Congrats to Fark and GPA for taking over NPO.

NPO just dropped below GPA in score too

NPO is only 4 points from being desanctioned. Even though loss of score is indeed declining, Pacifica still loses about a quarter of a point and a handful of members on a daily basis, while all other alliances are gaining score. Even by the most positive forecast, NPO will be without a sanction within a month and probably a lot sooner than that. That's not propaganda, that's just facts.

Exactly. CN is a slow game. You shouldn't be suprised or annoyed that alliances retaliate for something months or even years later. That's what you get with a game at a pace of only one tick a day.

I'll remind you to just "get over it" when Pacifica takes their revenge on Karma in two years.

It was posted here by your own leader.

I would accept peace with NPO if every single member of Pacifica would post an apology on YouTube. I would require no further payments or anything. Just one topic with 707 704 YouTube links in which every single member would sit in front of their webcam to say he/she is sorry for all this.

I voted for "Western Europe". I think it's the most accurate description of where the Netherlands is located, taking the options of the poll into account. In RISK, it's in Northern Europe though

As far as I know, these alliance still have active DoWs on NPO: VE, Athens, GR, R&R, RoK, MOON, INT, Orion, DiCE, Vanguard, Avalanche, GOD, GUN, FOK, Sparta, UCR, =LOST=, Fly.

Nice to see the gap between NPO and GPA closing. Their positions should be switched by the end of the weekend.

Intersting to see so much monarchies. This is never the optimal government for my nation: my nations is capitalist when I pay bills or buy infra, when I collect taxes my nation's a democracy and when at war, my nation uses communism. And what's this religion thing you speak of?

No, no, those are "bank nations". They apparently have over 200 of them at Pacifica, otherwise they can't rebuild. You see, it's immoral to demand that we attack that quarter of the alliance we're at war with.

People return to FOK from time to time, altough not a lot of people leave in the first place. They're almost always accepted and welcomed back.

MikeTheFirst of course

Right. So these smaller and younger nations will be rebuilt using aid from the "bank nations". And how is a bank nation defined? A nation having lots of economic improvements/wonders and a lot of money, right? Shouldn't all nations have such a policy? You need a lot of banks anyway, because of the inefficient way aid is handled in CN, so basically all nations except the smallest and newest ones are banks. And these are the nations NPO won't allow out of peace. There's your problem right there.

They weren't always #2 (of course). GPA and GOONS used to be in front of them, at least back in june 2007 when I joined the game. GOONS got knocked down during the Unjust War, GPA lost it's spot during the Woodstock Massacre and I guess IRON was second in command ever since. Until now of course.

I really don't get why NPO thinks their "banks" are so important. Nations can only receive up to 27M per 10 days, providing both the sending and receiving nation have the "Federal Aid Commission" wonder. It's not very likely both nations have this wonder, since the entire NPO has only 8 of them. So we're probably talking 18M or even 15M per 10 days. This way, you need 2 months (!) to get about 100M, and you need at least 5 or 6 banks per nation aided for this to work. How can you base the rebuilding of your alliance on these pathetic numbers? 100M in 2 months helps none but the very smallest nations to gain some infra. It's pocket change to most players more than that it is proper rebuilding aid.

Maybe if we called them awesomepoints I would like them.

This: looks a lot better than this: Especially since a hundreth of a point is a very little amount. Writing it down as 0.01 reflects that. It looks like a small number, contrary to centipoints, which make it seem like large numbers. 32 centipoints sounds and looks like a lot to me, I think 0.32 points reflects it's actual value a lot better.

I don't care much for centipoints.

FOK's policy is exactly the same. You have noticed we have kicked the illegal raider out of our alliance, right? It is ludicrous to believe FOK desires to destroy small alliances. There is absolutely no basis for such a claim.