unpronounced

[quote name='Proest' timestamp='1323933683' post='2878665'] Whether it is believed by others that Fark deserves what they are getting is in its self not really relevant; it is more or less the notion that the community is soo lost in the execution of vengeance that the leaders of alliances (albeit the opposing side) see nothing terribly troubling in piling on NS against a singular alliance. With the only apparent aim of either entirely destroying it, or crippling it to beyond repair. It seems however that not a great many have a moral compass about themselves as of late. Entirely separate from the TOP/IRON v. NpO war, the initial responses to Fark's attack on NPO is entirely justified in that alliances with connections to NPO responded in defense. This however, is blatant opportunism guised as defense of micros. The actions and incomprehensible behavior of the large portion of this community is just an abhorrence. All I can truly say. Enjoy yourselves, it seems nobody cares. [/quote] Fark is where they want themselves to be. I think they are now laughing at this: Alliances that attacked Fark in "defense" (sic) of NPO: TLR: OPTIONAL Defense pact with NPO NG: OPTIONAL AGGRESSION Clause with TLR NoR: OPTIONAL AGGRESSION clause with NG TOP: OPTIONAL AGGRESSION clause with NoR Most of TOP/IRON coalition alliances are used as a tool, and they don't even realize it.

[quote name='Paul Cavanaugh' timestamp='1323929584' post='2878559'] You know what happens when a pawn reaches the other side of the board? [/quote] Yeah. They died and be replaced by some other piece. You're still a pawn alliance.

What's this? Oh, another pawn going forward. h2-h3.

[quote name='Devilyn Caster' timestamp='1323837679' post='2877278'] Because alliance culture and history is totally unimportant, we should just take your advice, thinking is for losers amirite? [/quote] Because alliance culture and history is important, (other) people signed MDoAP, to still have some sovereignty over their FA. But I now get that MDAP has its uses in certain situations, as an excuse: "I don't have control over my alliance's FA, because this article says my alliance must roll together with alliances X, Y, and Z although it will destroy my alliance's relation with alliance A."

[quote name='Lanore' timestamp='1323830288' post='2877158'] What exactly is Sparta so insanely upset with ODN for? If you should be mad at anyone it should be GATO for requesting assistance from CnG and chaining them in. [/quote] No. They should be mad at people who sign MADP instead of just merge the alliances.

Moral of the story: 1. An MDAP (bloc or non-bloc) is in all but name, a merger of alliances. I can't understand why wouldn't these alliances just merge since they love each other so much and willing to put their alliances' sovereignty under that of the bloc/treaty's sovereignty. 2. Don't ever sign a treaty with alliances which have an MDAP with another alliance(s) unless you plan to have a butt-hurt over your treaty partner attacking your other treaty partner.

Hit those "inlander" hard! o/ FOK!

[quote name='Mandellav' timestamp='1323786589' post='2876511'] .... [/quote] Treaties, treaties, justification. What good are these treaties if a coalition war such as this one occur? I'd say every alliance should just go paperless and freely choose a side they want to support.

o7 Commander! I still remember VPAS. MHA 5th Fleet. My first assignment. Having fun out there, Scorn?

[quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1323709318' post='2875304'] To be honest, there are far worse people out there than GATO, and despite your pitiful whining I intend to keep being nice to those that actually count, as befits the kind of values GATO stands for. [/quote] Values? LOL. You declared a pre-emptive war based on a s%$t intel, and now you're playing mr. nice guy. Guilt, perhaps? [quote]Will you also be remembering Fark's 'crime' then, or is your field of vision incredibly narrow? [/quote] Fark has a [s]history[/s] grudge with NPO, as well as FAN. I don't remember MHA ever done the same to GATO as NPO did to Fark. In fact, MHA helped C&G in Bi-Polar. And MHA didn't hit GATO then due to your treaty with one of MHA's ally. [quote]When will this crime be bought to justice? Now, or when it's convenient for you?[/quote] You'd better be alert. Look at Pacifica and Polar.

[quote name='Frederico Rodriguez' timestamp='1323662521' post='2874643'] GATO had a reason, you just didn't like the reason. Pre-Emptive > Reactionary. With our history, this is going to feel like a holiday at a theme park. [/quote] You mean Delusional Reason? I know your type. See my nation's name. [quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1323687295' post='2875114'] Best of luck, I'm sure we'll all have fun and shake hands after. [/quote] Triums, leaders and governments may shake hands after. But I will not forget GATO's crime so easily.

There is no shame in defending friends. Especially when your friends are attacked for no reason. Hail Apparatus!

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1323580636' post='2873233'] Things can change a lot in two years. Allies drop one another and become enemies, sides change, old enemies become friends. Although we remember the sacrifices you made for us years ago, we can't overlook the possibility that you may seek to bring harm to ourselves or one of our allies. We saw the MHA, a large,uninvolved alliance who had a valid reason to hit us or one of our allies and took action. Simple as that. I recall listening to a Spartan member rant about the war who went on to say that they wanted to see a neutral C&G or a C&G that could've avoided your front all together if we wanted to. I don't see how this is possible after your bloc mate aggressively attacked a C&G member's ally. Another Spartan member would proceed to call us out in their DoW thread. Our bloc has always prided it's self with the simple fact that we defend our allies regardless of the odds or consequences, a trait that is slowly dying in this universe. [b]It's nothing personal, just business[/b]. [/quote] I take it personally, and I'm not even in MHA. This attack on MHA is obviously planned long before it was declared (as pointed out by Proest above). Way to repay MHA's help during the Bi-Polar, C&G!

[quote name='Devilyn Caster' timestamp='1323584008' post='2873446'] Glad we agree Let me reiterate. I included MHA based on the fact that there were no declared Defensive wars. I had heard no plans for MHA to enter the conflict. Now if what you are saying is true, then great. I am just making note of the fact that several alliances ganked your MDoAP partner and you did not declare in their defense, while you had no allies on the other side whom were under direct attack. Am I wrong? [/quote] To be clear: Do you think MHA should declare in "defense" of Fark, ie. activating the oA part of the treaty? Or do you think that Fark is not the aggressor and thus MHA should activate the MD part of the treaty?

I think what is disturbing new trend is not "Waiting before committing military forces". A disturbing new trend is declaring war without solid evidence, ie. based on hunch or hearsay.

I guess MHA should have just declared on GATO for no reason. (Or MHA can make up ridiculous CB such as "Oh, we know for certain that GATO will declare on Sparta") MHA will remember your crime, C&G, Hooligans, TPE. Congratulations for making new grudges.

"The Grudge War" beats everything else.

Seeing that many people from the other side feel the need to comment, suggest, criticize or mock over who you declared to, Sparta, you must have done something right. It takes two to war. Sparta's move is legit. Stop [s]complaining[/s] trolling and make your move.

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1323157216' post='2865518'] You know... and yes I am biased as I like R&R... I am rather appalled. Not just by this but by how we all laugh and cheer about something that is fundamentally a lie. Whether its taking spy info, posting spy info or manipulating things to look like spy info, we have lost something here and we are not better for it. Maybe I am just old, but its just one more thing: watching something die while everyone cheers /shrugs. [/quote] This man speaks well. Hats off to you, Sir.

By now, Sparta, you should have learned something from Fark: RADIO SILENCE ON OWF. Good luck, my Spartan friends.

Sup, MHA? A poem for Dynasty? That's not poaching. It's like making a call to your sibling whom you haven't met for a long time. ---- I'm sure the Ministry of Hitchhikers will be grateful to Vlad for his ghostbusting and the Ministry of Destructor Fleets for Vlad's free war training for MHA Academy members.

Imagine if MHA has to announce on the OWF every time any of their ghosts or member goes rogue.

[quote name='Marginali' timestamp='1320720841' post='2841422'] Hahaha.. MAHO is simply Manusia Homo - Well.. we are Homo sapiens.. so i think it's okay.. [/quote] Yes. And "Black" is just a name of a color and "Niger" is a name of a country. Context, kawan.

I am disturbed by the Homophobic name of this treaty. I hope your members won't find out how the word 'Maho' is used.

Good luck, Tan. Keeping things alive, are we? However, I will be very disappointed if this ends in a week or two. At the minimum a two-month war will show you mean business and not just doing this for fun. Only then, maybe other nations will join you. (Bukan pertamax atau pejwan, tapi se-engganya udah komen. Kalau kata pak SBY: Lanjutkan!)