Mistress Demona

[quote name='Jesusfreak' timestamp='1347132077' post='3028643']This war saddens me, and I hope that we can keep TFK's (literally-lifelong) friend in WAPA [/quote] I checked The Flying Kiwis Archives. They start at round 7. In round 10 TFK asked WAPA for help in a war and they said they were busy with internal issues. That was April of 2010. From round 11-22, literally no comments I could find in the archives that said anything either good or bad or neutral about WAPA. They didn't help us with war and we didn't with them. Perhaps we have different definitions of "life-long," but three rounds (7-9) of being friends is not "life-long" in my view. Not saying WAPA can't be angry about being attacked. Being attacked annoys me, so I will not argue that point. On the other hand, to claim that there is some sort of special relationship between WAPA and TFK after 12 rounds of there being nothing is just wrong. If that's a problem, fix it. If not, happy hunting. I don't care either way. (OOC: perhaps people are confusing SE with TE. If that's the case, not everyone in TFK is in CCC in SE. In any case - no relation between realms)

[quote name='chieftain' timestamp='1347123068' post='3028612'] Friends are hard to come by. TFK should have known better. We dont forget . Regards Chieftain [/quote] Prior to this attack, the last post made by someone from WAPA on The Flying Kiwis forum was in 2010 That isn't a problem, but friendships DO need to be maintained. I'm not saying it's WAPA's fault for not stopping by or anything. That's your choice. But in my opinion, two years of no TE communication at all DOES give us the option of attacking without a guilt trip.

[quote name='Mark8240' timestamp='1346263700' post='3026409'] Anyone who wins the flag after fighting real tough wars is fine in my book. We are after the guys who jump around and hide on tinny AA's to avoid war or who just refuse to fight. JM is ranked 29th in casualties so its hard to put him in either of those categories. [/quote] Oh, so there is a "right" way to win the flag and a "wrong" way to win the flag in a tournament. I didn't realize that. Good thing we have OP to make what is "right" or not on TE clear to the rest of us.

1. Warriors already beat you to it by attacking Fluffy Clouds. 2. Don't forget about jmborwell of Lemmly when on your crusade. Oh, wait... Personally, the word "flag runner" has become such an insult that one of these days I'd like to see the top 20 (regardless of alliance) all join in one AA called "Flag Runners United" and pre-empt everyone else. THAT would be very cool

TFK agrees to peace. Also, one of our members suggested that it might be a good idea to elect someone leader. The rest of us pointed to Tongari before he knew what happened. Please message Tongari for official business. He's the leader of The Flying Kiwis for the rest of this round.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1345750780' post='3024585'] What about this...... RE officially offer peace to OP, LE, Catharsis, and PS in rhis thread. That way it is all public and those that wish to continue so be it. We can wrap this war up between us and RE by update. [/quote] So, The Flying Kiwis gets left to the birds. Okay, we get it. [quote name='Stelios' timestamp='1345756248' post='3024598'] My body is ready I, Emperor of the Roman Empire.. Officially offer peace to OP, LE, Catharsis, and PS. [/quote] Confirmed. Good thing The Flying Kiwis have a good sense of humor and are not conspiracy theory types First OP attacks us. Then peaces out with us. Then RE attacks us and OP. Then RE and OP and a bunch of others peace out - leaving us to fight. Probably just OP and RE forgetting we exist. But I can at least have a little fun

[quote name='ShayLa' timestamp='1345597239' post='3024179'] ....than why not buy some troops if so motivated...T_T. thought we were going to dance[/quote] Because bill/lock exists, my Roman friend. I have no issue re-rolling, but only as a last resort. I had a war chest, but not one that can last a month even if I became a complete turtle so... I got 3 out of the 6 nukes that hit, not bad for fighting 2 nations with SDI's. And Roman spies failed to see my hidden HNMS when I could afford to keep it around - so count a dozen or so failed attempts to take my nukes. Also, 2 out of 3 of the people I'm fighting are at 0 troops. Hey, I think you're one

[quote name='Tevron' timestamp='1345550695' post='3024024'] King, they do not understand that we are at war over principles rather than some fabricated affection for Rome that you and I share.[/quote] The Roman Empire declared war on PS, LE and Catharsis on July 24. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=112406 (OOC: they are getting payback this round - which is far more honorable than the open threats of bringing this into next that I've seen from others.). They are the ones showing REAL principles, in my opinion, by returning the favor of Rome's previous dance request. It's only the polite thing to do By all means, get involved in this war on whatever side you want. However, in my personal opinion, what PS and LE and Catharsis are doing is true justice, TE style - so if that is actually your issue you're on the wrong side of the conflict. I get why what is a "fair" fight has become something based on math. It's easier to figure out than who did what to whom. However all that theory does is require alliances to find someone to attack to "balance" the alliance they really want to attack - thus forcing them to bring in groups they don't really have anything against. TFK got that from both "sides" this round. First OP attacks us, then RE. In my personal opinion, there is nothing "fair" about that. Down with math! Yeah for good old fashioned revenge!

[quote name='Tevron' timestamp='1345327290' post='3023263']Citadel has peaced. TFK has not but I assumed you were doing so at some point in the near future.[/quote] Nope. But I do appreciate the assumption, it's helped motivate us.

[quote name='Tevron' timestamp='1345268957' post='3023047']It appears that needed clarification. The OP/LE - RE War is fair, and will not be intervened with. We have a strong distaste in our mouths about this whole situation, and would like to see it end as quickly as possible.[/quote] The Roman Empire's Declaration of War said, "Today is the day that, finally, Planet Steve was cleansed of a virus. Today is the day that Ordo Paradoxia, Citadel, The Flying Kiwis, and Anti-Prick Coalition were finally destroyed. Roman Empire declares war on Ordo Paradoxia, Citadel, The Flying Kiwis, and Anti-Prick Coalition." Please point out where The Flying Kiwis and the others announced peace with the Roman Empire for this to become the OP/LE - RE War. I must of missed that.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1345111300' post='3022382'] For the last time and whether you or anyone else in RE believes us or not we do not care. WE DID NOT RECRUIT ANY OUTSIDE HELP AGAINST RE. Were we upset with the DoW yes because of the situation. If you remember correctly shortly before this war I asked Stelios how he and RE managed to get so many people mad at them. In other words you talk to PS, we didnt do anything. Are PS friends? Yes. Do we control or influence PS actions? No. [/quote] People DO realize we're having drama over a 6 man AA joing into a war mostly between two of the largest alliance here, right? I get that PS has a bad ass reputation, but come on!

Considering we just got out of a war against Ordo Paradoxia, I would of applauded this if we were not included in the declaration. Oh well, good for the soul. [quote name='Mark8240' timestamp='1344966920' post='3021913']Shopper of TFK peaced out with the number one guy in the game when having 16 nukes on him. Wtf Kiwis?[/quote] It's an evil plot for sure

But...we're (The Flying Kiwis) are trying to sleep here! Getting kicked out of bed with a couple nukes before one even opens her eyes is a bit of a rude awakening, but someone needed to get our attention. Better OP than most others.

[quote name='DictatatorDan' timestamp='1298614549' post='2644515'] All the while doing so, they only took token steps at smoothing over some of their earlier actions. Instead, the public face of NPO on the OWF has been that of an NPO that was not humbled by Karma, and carry themselves with the same level of arrogance as the old NPO.[/quote] Give me an example of a top ten alliance who has EVER taken some sort of public step (token or not, and I want links) to "smooth over some of their earlier actions" that was not specifically required as a term of surrender. Name one alliance in the top 15 who does not "carry themselves with the same level of arrogance" that they had before the war after a big war (even if they lost) than before that was NOT tied in to the terms of surrender. IF it is correct that NPO should do something more - than so should every alliance that has ever committed the same sort of act(s). (aka: EZI/PZI, high reps, attacking people just because of their team color...no one ever actually apologized in any official capacity for Red Safari, did they? - and so on) Complaining that NPO hasn't done enough might hold some sway IF either a) no other alliance EVER committed the same types of act(s) in their past or b) those other alliances involved in the same sort of actions start making amends beyond what was required of them (if anything ever was) for peace.

Reps to high and at least look like it wasn't a serious offer to begin. Making ANY sort of complaint about the type of treaty (it was an optional treaty - so?) is just wrong. A treaty is a treaty.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295698616' post='2591753'] Any alliance has the right to defend any other alliance, treaty or not. [/quote] How often has that actually happened? What I mean is, when is the last time an alliance decided to go to war against another without any treaty on Planet Bob? Has it happened once yet, during this particular war? I agree with the idea, just not sure it actually happens in practice. Assuming I'm correct, even an ODP has value as it is still a treaty and thus provides an "excuse".

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295669601' post='2590718'] Avoiding certain alliances and altering where you hit makes perfect sense, as both sides have so far demonstrated. [/quote] Alliance leaders will do what is in their alliance's best interest. No use trying to stop that. Best you can do is counter it somehow. I'll leave the "how" up to people who are far more familiar with how the treaty system works than I.

Hail RoTN! Hail Asgaard!

[quote name='Mike Oldfield' timestamp='1294608879' post='2570106'] I want a LE government member or Bacon himself posting in this thread WITH a closure date for this war. a specific date, a number, a day, not something like "when your blitz wars expire" that can be loopholed in and used as a vehicle for perpetual war. now step up LE and give us a definite date. I'm on because the OP was far too vague, didn't specify a closure date. KOwens06 and Clash are not LE gov, I want it from the horse's mouth, right here. [/quote] I'd like for every alliance leader on TE to outlaw tech raiding. Yes, it must be government leaders. Anyone else have any specific demands they'd like to make of other leaders to add to my and Mr. Oldfield's list??? (yes, I'm making fun of making demands like that)

[quote name='Wabooz' timestamp='1294569448' post='2569647'] Anyhow, cool deal on folks getting a little break to rebuild. Lady Dark Knight, looks like we still get to dance [/quote] The powers that be on Planet Steve have truly smiled upon us Wait...*looks at her resume* I'm a "power that be"!!!! When did THAT happen??? LOL, anyway...that explains why we're (The Flying Kiwis) are still fighting better than any other theory provided in this thread No more Mrs. Nice Kiwi. If people here don't like it, tell Lord Klusman to demote me :salute: Lady Dark Knight Chancellor, The Flying Kiwis

This war is

Yeehaw

Sure is a lot of war and destruction.

Either real-life images and themes are allowed, or they are not. I think that question is a moderator question. From what I can tell there are a number of alliances that have some sort of real-life tie in - everything from Christianity to Basketball to groups with a focus on any number of political beliefs and personally I am not going to go around trying to judge which is okay and which is not and what images they can and can not use as a result. I'm hardly an expert on all such images even IF I thought it was okay say one should be allowed and the other isn't. Both RL political systems and RL religions are built into the game itself. It's silly to talk about being offended by religious images when we have the choice of everything from none to voodoo on our individual nations built right into the game. I currently have voodoo - if that offends anyone, that's your problem. And unlike the government type (which gives some game based bonuses depending on which is picked), there is really no game based advantage to taking any. That being the case, I assume the game creator had religious based and political based differences in mind at least somewhat when creating the universe. In theory, we (as a group of players) could decide to embrace that totally AND have politics based on real world religions if we so desired. Therefore, it is what it is.

GOONS. I'm constantly afraid on what I'm going to see on OWF now from or about them