joecanada

Look I'm not speculating on how much NPO has in their warchests or how many of them have such warchests, but the majority of your examples are weak including this one. I can tell you right now that you can easily blow thru a billion dollar warchest when fighting 6 opponents at once for 2-4 weeks...... I know this for a fact. The only reason, one and only reason i am currently back to 5k infra is because I was held out of the war in PEACE for the entire first wave.... so whatever people are saying " i was nuked" or " i fought 2-3 opponents" ...... give me a break....... you don't know how much a fight for survival really costs......

Hail IRON..... shout out to my ROCK (met you guys for the first time in a bloody trench and barely escaped lol), MHA, and Gre opponents ........ good show boys, jolly good. Fun time was had by all.

HAHAHa this is the pinnacle of hypocrisy and political spin. ......... "when you think of crimes committed against you you dont' think of Sparta, Rok, or any of the other alliances (i happen to like right now)" ........ "you think of NPO , TPF, GGA , IRON........ ........right...... pleaase show me one instance where someone has said "remember that trumped up war IRON made for lulz just to destroy so and so"...... When you think of brutality and lulz beatdowns you think of GOONS, FAN, and /m\..... the very alliances that most people now are cheering for a reboot...... 1V was like a housecat compared to the crazy tiger that was WUT... who made lulz beatdowns, triple team tech raids, and EZI a staple in CN.... talk about a whole long paragraph of absolute crap. and your second point just cheers on bandwagoning and 11th hour cancellations. If thats how you plan your future in CN, good luck. .. and for the record, before 1V, IRON was pretty much a sitting duck for WUT so you can all stop with the excessive exaggerations about the "years and years we spent as the evil ironlords horrible henchmen"..... we pretty much started as friends with polar. anyway you all are beating a dead horse, i posted pages ago that the good reps are gone now, the greedy alliances ruined it.... it's too late to get rich off us now.... you can refute it all you like but it won't change spit.

of course anyone can pay "any" of the harshest reps ever thought up...... what kind of argument is that? The real question is when an alliance simply becomes a tech/money feeding slave to the other alliances , and says "what's the point of existing anymore" Why give away what you can get with a re-roll anyway? If you think that's impossible, you have no idea what it's like to fight 6 wars for weeks and weeks and...........?

It's amazing ppl will sit here and say "IRON was an accessory to crime " i particularily loved the quote "beware the indifferent ones who stand by while evil is committed"..... and then they say your crimes are: FAN, GOONS, /m\ ........ uh...... pardon? All those alliances I have no problem saying would have steamrolled you all including us for lulz...... and were proud to be some of the most evil alliances if you wish to use "evil" as a benchmark in CN??!, around. When FAN announced they were back, I actually posted in their thread and said, "you guys are just another war waiting to happen".. to which the wolf (mpol right?) replied "nope we learned our lesson and we deserve a second chance"....... which is right... hey you can't argue with that... but he didn't come out and say "no we were the white knights of CN what are you talking about"..... And did we fight em? yeah..... they were pretty much our enemy other than saying it outright..... when someone sits at your door with a gun do you go to sleep? I never agreed with much NPO did, but FAN, GOONS, m ?? tech raiding with steamrolls and triple teams built in? that's what we all miss now? I do feel a bit bad for some like GPA although i didn't fight in that war because i only enjoy even fights personally. ...but next thing people are going to say "IRON stood by while /b was destroyed, GET THEM" ... and no IRON was not in WUT, those were the scariest times pretty much, so those going back to GW2???!!! uh, what? We had a bunch of MDP's for our protection, including with NPO. and boy did we honour them when we were called.......doesn't mean we are them, but hey i got a quote for you if you wanna roll with the "eye for an eye" theme. "let he who is without sin throw the first stone"...... .....anyway it's like i said before, if the reps had been fair and gone out early, it might of been a done deal, but it's the obvious greed of the alliances whom we all know of, that are making it now appear that any "good" reps are gonna be tough to scrape together ..... see my prev. post for my own example. the longer it goes, the less the reps CAN be...... pretty much standard.

I expect to see GRL in your graveyard someday!!!!!! ... also I like to bandwagon alliances !!! how do i join this GRL monster? lol

I'll be very honest here........ 1. All the alliances demanding harsh reps are in a greed spiral/power grab. And they aren't the ones who deserve reps. such as MK... huh? where have you been in regards to fighting IRON? 2. Each alliance should be judged (since thats what "karma" is doing) based on their own merit...... for instance IRON honoured agreements, stating flatly that we didn't agree with many actions that led to war. and for example IRON has not sat down and demanded harsh reps straight out of some alliance..... I have fought pretty much every war for IRON and I think i've gotten 50 tech in my CN career for reps. 3. Most IMPORTANT - sorry to tell you guys who want the harsh reps and those who "know" how much we own........ I was one of those billion dolllar warchests...... normally i wouldn't tell anyone that but hey it wasn't a secret...... Go ahead guess how much i have as of now, or better yet spy on me and see ..... I don't care. And then take this into consideration - I was in peace mode for ten days before the war started. ......anyway frankly i don't care becuz i've always said CN revolves around war.....whether we win or lose I'm just having fun with IRON cuz it's the group of people i want to be with. but you WILL make enemies by demanding harsh reps and that's a fact.... probably eternal enemies..... NPO fall from power was inevitable i saw it long ago just to be on top you are a target ....... And I've lost so much of my nation, why would I now care to ZI? why would any of us care? so go ahead demand as much as you want... it's just mostly the hypocrisy that's funny to me.

true karma is a natural balance and never "given" by others...... that's just called revenge.... If I see someone rob someone and then i rob them..... that isn't karma.....

I fought like 3 of these guys in the KARMA war, (seems funny to talk about as if its in the past)........... they are definitely a fun group from what i saw...... I'd join but well, you know. haha i love any alliance that will b.s. with you via pm while you are fighting a war...... you guys loved my SDI !!!! lol... anyway if anyones looking for an alliance these guys seem pretty cool.

im not sure any alliances have learned from this but if i was a leader, i would have a block with MDP's that actually ended somewhere...... anyone remember the old MDP web that was just like a spiderweb - basically a circle with everyone allied to everyone.... It never works out seriously everytime people have a way to choose sides they will try to choose the winning side..... I think you need to have your own circle, noone can back out, one bloc of four or five alliances only bound to each other. It should be a stipulation that the signatories cannot sign MDP's with other alliances, they will just find a reason to jump sides. More friends is definitely NOT better...

what a laugh, you have no clue what you are talking about just regurgitation of propaganda.... just because we are in a bloc doesn't mean we agree with everything going down.... IRON honored our MDP, if you think IRON is the great oppressor, you are obviously one of a flock of sheep. IRON had a tiny list of PZI nations when it was fashionable and everyone else had one too..... I doubt it's even been updated forever. And IRON has never pressed for harsh terms on any alliance...... some alliances got steamrolled to be sure, but noone at IRON sat around on the forums going "destroy that whole alliance" every war has been a "hey this is pretty fun", including this one. but you go ahead, be the judge, jury, and executioner, see how far it gets you.... you see if you can hold the new NPO spot for a cpl years....

you sum up why this whole "karma" thing is ironic and hypocritical to the max... Karma is a force that naturally pays back to someone what they give..... as in cause and effect. Not the force which you bring to a situation and say "an eye for an eye" or "you did x to me so i can do x back to you"............ Don't call yourself any version of karma if you believe this .... In this case you are simply adding your own willful actions to the mix....... giving YOU bad karma. In short, any form of EZI and PZI should be banned. but if admin doesn't care, then we as a planet should.

yep i did my 30 or so , sorry i couldn't have dropped more... but you know how we do BnT.... B)

I'm amazed this topic ever even gets raised AND was never addressed in the past by admin... This is an internet game which makes, i assume, some money enuf to keep it going at least..... by preventing others playing the game you are killing the game yourself and also hitting the owners pocketbook and punishing the business... if it was my business, I'd ban the first person who mentioned this possibility. You prevent X number of ppl from walking into my business, and you're thrown out on your face.

i learned that bandwagoning is just a staple in CN now, I just wanted to fight one more even war for the thrill of it..... I don't ever see it happening. I never even joined the wars that were way lopsided in our favour.... boring.

huh, i was just gonna come in here and ask "why does mpol have a thread on every forum can't you keep them together?"....... but now i'm glad i read this.... Cuz he's right.. All this BS about "they deserved it" and "yay evil is gone" is totally pointless. This is a game with strategy and surrounded by war. Have fun, and stop with the self-righteous crap... We'll all get ours...... best line ever.

you can't ever get rid of any alliance that doesn't want to be gotten rid of ....... as long as people don't delete their nation then they are eternally here....... ..... so congrats on "not deleting your nations" or in some people's view..... "winning" ... lol. Also FAN was always a bullying alliance so I expect if they rebuild sooner or later they will be at war again becuz that's what they like. It's basically what they live for but everyone is so focused on NPO getting torn down they forget how these alliances acted...... WUT was twice as violent as 1V......

Actually I kinda got the impression he was praising us?! when he said "while only 26% of IRON aren't fighting" .... I think he was comparing NPO to us and saying we were showing up..... or maybe I'm too optimistic?

yess... that might be true if you laid out a crime and then outlined a punishment that befit the crime... like say a judge might do in a trial ? (with a jury)...... I don't think it needs to be spelled out here but just in case...... This war does not in any way resemble a trial...... ganging up on any alliance that can be shown to have links to NPO. all the cries of "cowards! fight!" and "smash the coalition of cowards" and "down with 1V" have made that pretty clear from the start. Not a few but hundreds of posts just like this... And no matter what stories you make up about how righteous and great KARMA is, they are playing the game just the way it was shown to them how to play. The irony is as thick as the hypocrisy...... in all the posts justifying "how we smash NPO is the good, righteous way"

ya, i pretty much agree with what you said here... My post kind of had two themes... what will happen to NPO or what is happening to them...... and what will/is happening to the other alliances with them..... so ya i see how KARMA is different than NPO as a reactive group tired of being stomped on and all that... but to stomp on NPO back is still a cutthroat way of dealing with a cutthroat organization..... for instance KARMA could have used propoganda to coax people out of the alliance or the threat of war to coerce people into quitting. But the thing about the game is that you can't make people quit an alliance.... so you can't kill that alliance. Mostly my post about the KARMA hyporcritical attitude was directed at those who goaded the 1V alliances into staying just to be stomped... but I know that again may not be a representation of all KARMA attitudes because as you say it is a collective group without a singular purpose... but again i will say i am not bitter and i do believe that war is always a huge part of CN... that's all. I didn't want to make it sound like I was bitter thats why i added that part in.

NPO may have been cutthroat at times but it is a war based game so to be cutthroat at some times is normal... to call them evil and be serious about it is ridiculous... however in the way the game is played, KARMA is not very different at all... many alliances entered this conflict with opposing pacts/treaties and had to choose. I have no loyalty to NPO but i fight to honor such a treaty.... And I saw HUNDREDS of posts from karma alliances trying to shame any 1V alliance into fighting for NPO in an obvious attempt to displace numerous upper tier alliances... If you look at IRON for example and our MDP web, we could have had several reasons for not fighting at all or even fighting on another side. This was an obvious "excuse" for a power shift or grab for higher rankings... anyone can say otherwise but until i see the proof (which is in the peace talks) no one is going to prove otherwise......... I've seen numerous posts saying "we can't let NPO keep power"...... so they can become a new FAN? so then KARMA again is the same as NPO...... NPO is made up of hundreds of people. People who chose the alliance... Hundreds more can choose to join them again after the war or at any time so no you cannot keep them down, alliances destroy themselves by bad policy. To reiterate though about the game itself, it is a war-based game... so whatever war tactics or alliance politics lead to various fights, its all ok with me, part of a bigger fun factor....

Great war 4 is missing... there was never a great war 4 by consensus..... great war requirements: - Needs NPO - must be HUGE - must be somewhat even - must change the world.... where was gw4? any other war that could have been 4 was already named, so how do you get 5 and 6?

I was in ODN during GW3 and we in no way got beaten soundly by GOONS. we fought them to a standstill until NPO jumped in... I never had a problem with any GOON opponent until I was jumped by NPO's twice my strength..... of course that was then, now im IRON and i wanted to go to IRON to promote OUT but of course OUT is just a piece of toilet paper apparently and ODN was the ones who preached that bs all the time..... what irks me the most about all this is we could have said "we can't oppose OUT" and opted out of the war... hell i fought NPO in GW3 I never had love for them, but as soon as we cancelled and people see a bandwagon war, they call us cowards.... everyone else gets praise for joining the good fight but we, MCXA, etc... are dumped on. Im glad we're in the war now, cuz if there's one thing we aren't it's cowards.... If TOP and ODN jumped in to our defense and said "they need to honour OUT and can't aid NPO" maybe we wouldn't be in...... but we are and I'm glad now.

ahh well, you lucky we duel with Gre but we needed something else to make it a full meal deal.... Sounds fun... Lets get it on!

finally , finally i am going to get this chance to sacrifice my nation once more..... true titanic clash like i haven't seen since i was in ODN in GW3 and we battled GOONS ... a perfect war... this one and that one... good allies good opponents, nukes, money, and power. I'm going all out here, noone fighting me (when im released from peace mode in case there are those who accuse me of jumping to peace, NO this is not my first choice, but necessary)............ noone is going to get off easy ... I have been waiting to burn this nation to the ground for a long time now, just wating and waiting and ..... For IRON i will gladly go past ZI and into rogue for all eternity if i must......