The Ultimate 747

[quote name='AndyDe' date='20 March 2010 - 03:36 PM' timestamp='1269113796' post='2231450'] Where did we say that we are completely blameless in this? From the OP. We admit that we have done some things that have led up to this point. So please stop trying to say we are completely blaming TOP for this. [/quote] This. We were not trying to ride in on a high horse here. We know that the blame for the deterioration of our relationship with TOP is shared among both alliances. The ratio is insignificant; all that matters at this point is that the relationship has taken far too great a hit for this treaty not to be canceled. The posting of this thread was just us doing what needed to be done, and if you think you can blame us for the cancellation itself then you are mistaken. Blame whoever you like for the things that led up to it, but that's over and done with and not what this thread was supposed to be about.

This is not the time to argue about this; regardless of who you believe is to blame, for one reason or another the relationship between MHA and TOP has deteriorated to levels far below those necessary to practically sustain a military treaty. This is ultimately why we have canceled. Of course there is going to be animosity in this situation, but we all need to realize that it's time to move on. Allies rise and fall, and sometimes from the ashes a stronger bond may be forged, but thus far no friendship has ever lasted for eternity. Though we have cut our ties, I wish TOP good luck in their future endeavors.

Really? Those who are publicly ridiculing someone for making a misstep that is A) relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of things and B) clearly borne not out of adverse motivations nor a lack of allegiance, but simply a lack of prior knowledge of the way surrender is viewed and treated in this game, should be mildly ashamed. I was surprised to see this kind of response on MHA boards and I'm annoyed (though not even slightly surprised) to see it here.

I think it's standard procedure to call the current time something generic and uncreative like "The New Age" or "The Modern Era" until it becomes not current. Then while that name is seamlessly carried over forever, it leaves a trail of new names for new past times. On the topic of generations, generation is the wrong word. I don't think you can say there are "generations" in CN. Ages, absolutely. A generation, however, exists because of differences in the dominant characteristics of the PEOPLE of the time, not the aura that exists because of certain events. In real life, there is a genuine rift in the way people born in one generation will grow up and look at the world and their interests as opposed to those born in another. Someone who grew up in the mainstream culture of the 1970s has a truly different identity from someone who grew up in the 1990s, even at the same age. In CN, there is no basis for one "generation" of players to be inherently different from the next.

Destorying? Sounds painful.

Err... I'm not in charge of DF. I'm just a member that's very annoyed at life right now... P.S. Stats right now indicate it is / will be a curb stomp. Nukes, anarchy, numbers, etc.

Well I can see that you are a small child, so I'll opt out of discussing this further except to correct this: "But this is TE - I suggest you get to fighting your immediate opponent in this war ..... " No... see, I'm not actually going to do anything in retaliation. Partly that's because I'm recovering from surgery and don't want this on my plate but mostly I've lost interest in this round as a result of the stupidity I perceive here. Would I be less butt hurt if I had a stronger painkiller? Should I stop whining and get over it? Probably. But I don't want to. So instead I'm just making my opinion known. I'm done now. Seriously, have fun.

So, let's see. You WON said war at the beginning of the round, and it ended on good terms, and now, for literally no reason whatsoever and attempting to pass it off as honorable retribution for viciousness on our part, you've brought in an ally to restart it, only this time as a complete curb stomp. And you expect us to think this is all good fun? I realize you don't actually need a reason for war in TE, yet somehow this seems a !@#$% move. Have fun.

GPA can let us know here if they object, but even if they don't, as a matter of policy I can still object to its being done without knowing beforehand that GPA didn't have a problem with it. I'm not trying to raise a fuss. Just saying I disapprove. There need not be any drama here.

Amusing. On the other hand, was the Green Protection Agency contacted to secure the rights to post a faux announcement in their name?

And therein lies the problem.

I just remember their DoE. I liked it. "Quoth the Raven, Nevermore". Poe FTW. I approve of this announcement. It seems honest and stuff.

I edited my post right after to try and make it a little more clear what I was saying, but I'll elaborate here as well. The point is, if he leaked the logs, assuming they were real, all that means is that Hoo had given him a potent PR weapon and he wanted to use it. Call it what you will, I'd say any wrong there is considerably less significant than the kind of low morals it takes to doctor it. In other words, smearing with truth isn't nearly as bad as smearing with lies. So how can you say that just because someone does the first, they are necessarily likely to be involved in the second?

Let's assume for a second that it's always a moral wrong to reveal private logs without asking the other parties involved. Are you saying that just because someone possesses this character flaw, it automatically casts doubt on the validity of the logs in question? Those are two entirely separate levels of character flaw. One is not having utmost respect for things said in confidence. The other is willingness to commit malicious deception for personal gain.

You will notice that in these logs directly before the section in question, found in the OP, this is not the case. He also doesn't always follow that rule in the wall o logs he posted where he talked to Warbuck about this. I'm not saying I doubt him, I have no opinion on the matter right now, I'm just saying that point doesn't hold much water.

So, basically you just like trashing us for irrelevant past grievances, and you've decided to jump at the opportunity here using a feigned congratulation as your opener. Well played. I'm wallowing in tears right now.

I'm disappointed, but I'd have been up anyway... I don't get to vote

Considering the title says "On the topic of the Harmless-TORNado MDoAP," I find that hard to believe, sir.

Good luck to TORN in their future endeavors.

I would like to register my support for whomever comes out of this looking the best.

This treaty says nothing and expresses everything. I like it.

How will we break the news to Blepo?

I deem this comment necessary.

I have no idea what you just said.

whoops. lol