Kevin Cash

indeed, but the lack of other very large alliances, notably iron, i would argue, could indicate that you are trying your best to make the rorschach test look like what you want it to besides that minor point, it was more-so directed at those claiming 'hey look npo kills all the big alliances' as if that is the only explanation for the pattern seen, which consists of merely 4 data points over a three year span. the stats are indeed cherry-picked as it does not include other major alliances for comparison purposes, again, notably, iron. please expand it, as critical as i sound, seeing three years of data plotted is incredible, and i commend your work, but still ask that more be included.

not your name, your title

either npo is evil and likes to take them out, or alliances tend to get rather $@y when they approach/exceed npo in strength. i tend to lean towards the latter. note that goons was not killed by npo but by polaris, who were actively working to undermine the political position of npo at the time.or you can chalk it up to coincidence, as much as people dont do that, there are only what, three examples of npo or its allies taking out a top alliance (of the 4 examples given), 1 of those (legion) was not a direct attack, and given the even sides in that war as far as ns goes, their fall was more the result of poor strategy both internal and external, more than anything else. also they were fighting fan, who can bring the pain even when they're getting curb stomped. which gives you two workable data points, fan and gpa. gpa has already been demonstrated to have had inferior growth and was $@y, and fan, well, if you know your history you know why fan 1 occurred, its almost silly to call gpa $@y in the same line. furthermore, we have the outlier of iron, who have been hovering right below npo since forever. i question whether unspeakable evils title has ever been more appropriate

in my eyes this shows at least with regards to gpa that it was not a war to 'claim the top spot,' even without whatever incident caused gpas drop before the war, npo was very clearly outpacing gpa by 2 to 1 or better after the formulas switched. simple growth plans would have regained the top spot without pr implications, so there was absolutely no reason for them to declare war as far as the data is concerned.which leaves politics, gpas many blunders, and admissions to this day by the leaders that they intentionally delayed their response to continuum issues due to un-neutral feelings of dislike. basically, gpa thought they could use their reputation of neutrality and peace as a tool to do as they please. but thats all politics, which isnt nearly as easy to work with as the raw power held in numbers.

the lack of gun pron in this thread is disgusting.

i wouldnt say they organized it, but they were certainly happy to plunge a knife into the backs of their allies in a bid for power.

fan has by far the biggest pair on 'em out of anyone in this world, and i have nothing but complete respect for them.

well this is certainly change in cn, but i wouldnt argue that it is for the better.heres an idea: lay off the guy. you already badgered himself into not defending his current livelihood, as despicable as that is of you lot to do, but now when he tries to correct your blatant ignorance you start to throw around threats because, holy crap, used ultra big font? the horror anyone who had the slightest doubt about karmas true nature should be clear on things now. you dont stand for anything at all, its just a mask you use to rally the gullible to your side as you make a bid for power. the fact that you cant feign sincerity before the war is even over speaks volumes about where digiterra is heading.

you mean like the way tfo cried at the start of this war

ad hominem attacks do nothing to weaken my point; rad is still just as pathetic as they were before you decided to attack my character instead of my argument

i think its funny that some alliances like rad and tfo have trouble pulling off a curb stomp. i mean sure its not like karma has had a lot of practice with it, but this should be easy guys. you shouldnt get to the point where youre asking for help from people you dont even have a treaty with. that is just sad

congrats karma, i am eating my words. with the exception of the npo, gga was the last alliance i expected to get off with any sort of light terms, and they probably deserved crippling terms more than anyone. to see this... well, it shows that (most of) karma is serious about ending the past cycles of extortion. im not exactly sure why athens alone got reps in this. in my opinion, demanding reps from anybody besides the primary aggressor (in this case npo) and demanding payments to anyone besides the primary victim (in this case ov) is still extortion, unless there is a detailed reason that these are for a historic crime committed by gga against athens in the past. im reserving judgment until this war is finally over, but if karma keeps doing things like this, well, perhaps they are serious about change. or perhaps they're trying to make friends in time for citadel vs superfriends, but only time will tell on that one, won't it

the ooo you mean? i was under the impression that npo was just acknowledging the fact that polars treachery from the unjust war onwards had rendered it a one-way treaty

even if you did strong arm loss into granting white peace, i do not think that is such a bad thing. loss should have known better than to demand reps from an innocent alliance, one who was only defending their allies, and whose history is near spotless, much more so than most of karma.thats assuming loss even wanted reps, i am not privy to private conversations, but if they did i think it funny considering that switch they pulled right before the war, that they would further demand reps from the side they abandoned

nukes are used in tech raids to end the raid and make the nation pay up. i see no difference here. your protectorates bit off more than they could chew by entering this war, they cried to you for help, and then you extorted their opponents.there is zero difference, and your attitude towards tsi in this thread does not incline me to believe otherwise.