Rush Sykes
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One man's misguided is another man's prudence. You do not have the omnipotence to unilaterally say it would be "misguided" just as I do not have the omnipotence to unilaterally say THIS peace was a mistake. What we both have is our divergent opinions. I have offered up reasons for my opinion. -
Congratulations Valhalla! You earned it. Also hint: I needed only the terms on NPO to perpetuate my grudge with Polar. I have no grudge whatsoever with the rest of XX. The "friends on both sides" argument is really cute. 2 must be the magic number to sit out.
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Aftermath being your enemy is not relevant to me.
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Not when you sit in PM in the numbers that AFM (save Invicta, and kudos to them) did.
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Clearly I have taken the wrong lessons from my coalitions, and the current leadership have take all the correct lessons. I am glad you exist to set me straight. In fact, I have no idea how any of the old power bases stayed on top for so long with leaders who took all the wrong lessons. NPO on top 3 years by being pretty douchebaggy. MK on top for 3 years by being plenty douchebaggy... oh, you mean since then nobody has been on top for more than 1 war? Yes, wrong lessons from past wars because the current leaderships have all proven that they are really good at forward thinking.
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Revenge. Did I not make that clear? Maybe you no speak basic? Me wanna wanga? Also, what did the terms on NPO last war have to do with NSO and NG logs revealing that dastardly plan to roll NpO ? I will wait for an answer.
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How are those eggs in that TOP basket working out for you? Have you properly thanked Umbrella for giving you your way out of this war? Enquiring minds want to know.
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This "mitigation" thing does not work. That is reality. You can sit there in denial of it till you are blue in the face. But hey, we have more warm and fuzzies.. so HAIL PEACE AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR AN HONORABLE FIGHT.
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Nowhere did I say that. DS or DBDC can have whatever means to whatever ends they want to for this war. The idea of proper vengeance SHOULD have been the motivation behind other people to SUPPORT whatever their initiative was. I find myself across the battlefield from people who commit what I genuinely perceive as a wrong to an ally of mine, if I am committing my forces to support someone else's initiative... the price of that support SHOULD be... the satisfaction of evening the score for myself and my allies (because if you weaken my allies, you weaken me by attachment.)
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This just in... you will ALWAYS get rolled for EVERYTHING later. God you say some dumb things.
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Your question cannot be answered because none of us know what would have happened to NPO this war without the terms from the last war, you have only your (or whoever else happens to reply) conjecture. The fact is, no matter how you break it down.... terms were offered to Umb. Terms were accepted by Umb. Everyone in EQ soiled their undies at the thought of having to enforce those terms, so Brehon eventually force fed a "no terms because these guys are too scared to enforce them" then you had mass elements of EQ blame Brehon for their own lack of testicular fortitude in enforcing the terms they wanted. Slice it how you want to. You cannot say "well the coalition didnt get along, so we cannot use that as an example"... We can exemplify coalition cracks in every single war. NPO ended up enforcing 0 terms on DH. Those who wanted the much more harsh terms (Valhalla and their ilk) immediately were scooped up by the same side they wanted to impose harsh terms on to punish NPO because they all wanted to pain the very thought of terms on DH as NPOs idea and NPOs idea alone. The reality is, we let this whole front out of the war with taking what amounts to next to no damage. You can be happy with that, I think you are a fool if you are happy with that. I do know that I have been in MANY coalitions. Many winners, many losers. Never have I witnessed a large group such as this getting away with so little damage, with so little fighting, with so little care. This is the political reality that our "good leadership" is delivering. But hey, at least we all got to say "it was honorable!"
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Only in your tiny world created by your tiny mind, is getting even a ridiculous thing. Getting even has been the majority reason behind nearly every military action ever taken in this game. Increasingly though, we have more and more "leaders" who think that terms are terrible (funny though, you didnt think any potential terms were so horrible last war, or in EQ, it may or may not have something to do with you winning those... possibly?) and that anyone (me) who suggests it is a political mistake (it is) to let the offenders of the last war off with next to no damage is being "ridiculous."
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Giving terms is quite simply getting even. More people are more interested in warm and fuzzies, its why the political climate on Planet Bob is so Admin-Awful. Everyone wants to act like genuine dislike, grudges, vengeance are things to shy away from , I simply do no subscribe that philosophy.
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Recent history? Ask NPO about recent history. You can spin it how you want, until you are blue in the face, but NPO's coalition essentially ended up giving DH NO terms. You can pontificate and debate the route that took them there, but the terms were none. The reward of that none? Terms on them for entering the next war on a defensive treaty. Vengeance need not be blind. You do vengeance a disservice by adding a faux adjective to enhance your position. I also did not say anything about "good leadership" so again you interject a term to accentuate your position. This, quite simply could have been handled, as I said twice now... "2 weeks of yy nations coming out of pM, then you can walk." When you let douchebags get away with douchebaggery, do you call that "good leadership?"
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Not one time in Planet Bob history has "being the bigger person" served an alliance well.
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Where does it stop IS a fair question. It is just one that happens to have no singular answer. In this case, all of this was less than 11 months ago. In terms of history for planet Bob, it was practically yesterday. A simple "We can talk peace after you bring yy number of nations above 80K out of PM could have satisfied the retribution for last wars nonsense for this particular group of combatants. Regardless , the NOTHING peace is disgusting and it has been shown time and time again that it ALWAYS bites the peace-giver in the ass , while at the same time proving that douchebag peace-giver "got away with one."
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There is a reason I said leaders need long memories. But I do not expect you to read and understand what I mean, because like so many people, you are far more interested in the zinger than in understanding. That Umb is not currently in position for this score to be settled, does not change the fact that the rest of these AAs ARE in that position. If you set out to kill an army of 12,000, and 11,999 show up and 1 is late, you do not let the other 11,999 off the hook till the last one arrives. Umbrella is in a unique position of paying for their role in that with meaningful action. Whether or not they succeed will be determined in time.
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One person's pissing and moaning is another person's principles. With 0 exception, each of these alliances did exactly what they imposed terms on NPO for doing. And they did it on a much larger, much grander scale. And for their duplicity, they got what amounts to token war damage and nothing more. The folks on my own side will not like my stance, and quite frankly, I do not care, because it is embarrassing to me that those I supported are this soft.
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So... a large portion of those who supported NPO terms for 17 of 393 nations in PM... all hide 20-30(at less than 1/3 the size of NPO in most cases) in PM for the entire war and get nothing for it? Not the way I would have ended this front. World leaders need 2 things : 1) Backbone 2) Long memories. Apparently we are in short supply on both.
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What an absolutely flipping idiotic thing to say in a (OOC) GAME (OOC). FFS you are a special one.
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You, sir, may now go away.
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I forget nothing of the sort...and it is very possible that Umb will someday face a comeuppance for their role. Umbrella may have pushed for those terms, but make no mistake about it, nobody on this game is buying that a Daikos led Umbrella was a "leader" of that coalition. You can conveniently ignore it till you are blue in the face, but that coalition belonged to Polar-TOP. This is not something new on Planet Bob, and you pretend to act like it is. The buck for last war stops at TOP-Polar. They will always be held to the standard that their coalition imposed. It has been in the past, it will be today, it will be in the future. Stop being intentionally obtuse about it.
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When they presided over a coalition that punished NPO for FAR less Peace Moding, and lets be honest, it does not matter who pushed for it or wanted, its existence falls at the feet of NpO and TOP, then why not expect TOP to pony up and get properly wrecked. What you do in the past has, will, and should always, effect how you are treated in the future. If they could not stand up to the coalition they helped create (along with NpO) and LEAD it, then they leave themselves subject to that which happened under their watch. This is not a new thing on Bob.
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it is totally subjective to paint any alliance as "worst" or one of the 5 worst even. Basing it totally objectively on how alliances function within the game itself....here is my list.... 1) MHA - Never has any alliance done so little with so much. 2) Hooligans - It is not even that they were so terrible, it is that they thought they were more important than they were and played like they had earned a big fish in a big pond title. Also, they literally consciously made a decision to make Green Muffins gov. 3) DRAGON - What a trainwreck they were. 4) The 2nd incarnation of FoB. Let that which is dead, remain dead. 5) Thriller - Lots of hubub and bravado till they found out Argent was coming for them. Fake courage from day 1.
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The potential of a DoW on is an actual Dow on all... they just evolved your strategy! Also, I have no clue whats going on here, but my explanation sounded plausible.
