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The game does have religion, sexuality and race in it. It can all be technically IC.

What did Mogar do to get banned?

arrogance results in treating others as lesser than yourself, that inevitably leads to injustice which leads to war.

Its generally not a good idea to argue with people who are here explicitly to troll.

There have been a fair amount of troll posts, but I really don't see how that was one of them. You claimed Tyga had done X. Tyga was just pointed out that in fact he had never done X. It does not seem very circular to me.

FAN has a strong OOC background and has always been a small very tight knit group. NPO is not the same. While I am sure you have a very committed core group, the majority of your members would not fall in that category. After a few months of war, I think you will lose allot more members than FAN did.

Virtually every post you have made is doing exactly that. You represent your alliance with your posts and loudly antagonizing KARMA is hurting the likelyhood of getting better surrender terms.

Why can't it be both? Karma wants to make NPO pay for their past transgressions AND insure they do not commit similar actions in the future.

If you want real gems on this check Sarai's posts in the Imperial Decree thread around page 208 where she argues that because the NPO community is bigger and better than the smaller alliances they have attacked, NPO does not deserve these terms.

If they are giving light terms I think it is a very real possibility. They have massive banks which could quickly rebuild from war. Plus, if they get light terms they have no incentive to change their ways.

Why exactly can't any "rebuilding be done at all"? Nations can still collect taxes and the lower nations can engage in tech deals. They will still be able to grow. And these terms are not indefinent, after their completion NPO can start rebuilding at full force.

It really did not help Vox grow as an alliance or help the members of Vox. PR campaigns are long and generally don't change the original matter, they just make people think twice in the future. These surrender terms won't change, but if Karma were to get into another war(which they won't), they would think twice about giving these sort of terms. At this point if Karma lessens the terms they would look weak and ineffective.

I think your very mistaken in assuming most people posting have read the majority of this thread.

So wait, its only EZI/PZI if in 10 million years your still on their ZI list? Second, Moo claimed they had NEVER practiced EZI/PZI in the OP. And yet the NPO clearly followed people through rerolls and put them on indefinite ZI. The only reason the list got cleared was because of the massive negative PR that started being associated with it in May. Virtually every alliance in the game started condemning it. The list clear had nothing to do with NPO realizing it is was wrong.

Probably spying, yet another thing thats only wrong unless NPO is doing it.

Tell that to GATO when they got declared on for aiding a Chris Kaos reroll.

Yes they came out and yes they were pounded when they came out.

Maybe you missed the part of the rep term that said UP to the amount, but dependent on ability to repay. If its impossible for NPO to pay the reps, then they will be reassessed. In regards to the GATO order, its a little late for that. NPO would not be able to attack those they threatened to EZI anyway, so that was irrelevent. It was in no way a show of remorse for the action.

cripple yes, disband no. The terms are completely possible and the get out of peace mode term is one that was learned FROM the NPO.

Likewise, I will admit successful troll RV, successful troll.

That would be their choice. NPO nations could also delete their nations or spend their entire warchest on infra. That would not be Karmas fault. The matter at hand is if NPO COULD pay the reparations. They can and many of their nations can do so while still fighting for those 14 days.

So saying that they can "raid tech, land, and cash without having to risk your own precious infrastructure." is completely irrelevant to if they can actually raid tech land and cash?

And this, Rebel, you are showing an extreme ignorance in the economics of CN. Stop trying to make claims about NPOs ability to pay if you cannot even grasp the basic concepts of CN war economics.

He is not saying they HAVE to turtle, just that if they are concerned about rebuilding afterwards and are short on warchest cash, they could turtle and repay reps afterwards. Nations with 600M+ can very easily fight for 14 days and still have the money to rebuild afterwards.

Actually that was included in the calculations. Even with 2 weeks of attacks, warchests would still be large enough to instantly come back to 4k+ infra