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Yea what's that supposed to mean?

I'm more surprised Tela is still alive. Good luck Echelon.

Not going to lie Chimey, if you shit on me on the OWF and then asked me to declare on another target I'd likely tell you to go to hell. IRON always have been loyal to their allies and coalitions to a fault though. Anyway, have fun IRON. STA has always been annoying.

Good luck to my allies in IRON. STA has always been annoying fucks with some sort of messiah complex. It's very amusing to watch the emotions fly over this though. Never change Planet Bob.

I hear discussing pink elephants will do it, but what do I know? I'm just a little teapot short but stout.

Good luck to our allies in Sengoku.

1. Yes they did. Unless you're arguing ODPs and ODAPS are mutually exclusive. 2. What is a treaty if not an agreement between two parties to assist each other in some way? 3. Anything NG offered likely got lost in the same stupid question being repeated every three seconds. I don't think the middle finger has been missed, but this has blown up way out if proportion. Of course, every war something does. IRON acted in a rational way. I'm not sure how they can be faulted.

What should they pay 40k tech? You literally sound like Goose and Liz defending that. "The way DT entered and you just want us to peace them out! How dare LoSS use an ODP to attack NG!".

Oh did you forget your vow? That's good. I was starting to think it was just a clever facade to throw me off my game. Enjoy the war Rush, and bring that 4k NS guy who Jgoods used to threaten me with all the time out of peacemode. It'd be a fitting thing to do after his move to a land beyond where admin resides.

Since apparently the situation is public now: You can not negotiate a peace for someone who refuses to accept it. I begrudgingly like NG, but damn that was the worse negotiation logs I've seen since Peggy Sue tried to get into a war with GOONS. It was abundantly clear that NG was attempting to use the situation in order to draw IRON into a war with LoSS. That was the exact opposite if what gathering in that room was for. That's not NG's fault, because I would have done the same, but those logs are a running joke now.

You as well man.

Ok, well I liked the way you handled that honestly, although I know there were people pretty angry at the whole deal. Of course, you'll always have people for you and against you no matter what you do, so Kudos.

Yes indeed, I was almost certain it was Corny though for some reason. Oh well.

Breaking news: GATO comments on another alliance's cowardice. Join in at 11 for "Sun warns that stoves can be dangerously hot"! Anyway, Argent have fought on the same side as IRON since post-Karma. It's a pleasure of doing it once again friends. Much love <3

The joy of getting to declare on and gettting the surrender of Rush's alliance (once they get out of peacemode), after he made a solemn vow to make destroying me his one goal is the sweetest thing I could ask for. Quite honestly, I don't care much anymore, but this is still a nice Christmas gift.

It's usually polite not to attack allies of allies especially if you don't want conflict with that ally. Of course, if you don't give a shit about that ally then go ahead and hit their allies. At this point that's about dead like chivalry, but I remember Corny canceling on Sponge back pre-WotC for it. I'm sure there are tons more cases. TIO-Athens, iirc UMB and MK got into it over the MHA hit, RoK and Polar got into it over the \m/ hit iirc. My memory is bad now though.

Interestingly, this is the only treaty text I can find: So really unless this is the un-upgraded version and the treaty was actually re-written (I belive this began as an ODP so that's likely) your post is irrelevant. Anyway, done with the thread.I hope IRON and NG good luck with their situation. As always IRON we got your backs no matter what.

Sure, but what makes you think IRON was not honest with NG. Hell, the logs are literally them being blunt as hell with honesty. No, IRON did not turn their back on NG. People work with treaty partners on opposite sides all the time. Hell, last war NG done it. It's a non-issue.

Oh come on. That is one hell of a double standard. Plotting against NSO means you are by extention plotting against NG, but plotting against Polar doesn't mean you're plotting against FARK? Just get out of this Rayvon, you're smarter than this. Again, I hope IRON and NG fix their roblems and move forward from here on out, but this entire thread is riddled with half truths and misconceptions.

FARK and IRON are allies. I'm not sure what you're getting at with this. You're going to have to say it without all the pictures or something. As I said IRON has tried helping NG, somewhat, with the LoSS thing, but it was rejected. I'm not making excuses 100% for IRON, but it's certainly not a one direction problem.

No they did do something. They tried to get LoSS peaced out with NG, which was rejected by NG. So they certainly did "something" while maintaining their commitments to everyone involved. I can't say it was a perfect decision, but it was certainly better than refusing to help because an alliance they never had a run in with was on that side.

You of all people really shouldn't be talking about how bad it is to leave allies on the battlefield and do nothing no matter who else is on that side. Anyway, I can't envy IRON or NG right now. I've experienced both sides of situations like this and it's not fun for anyone.

To be fair, it's far more complicated than that given one of IRON's treaty partners were already on that front, and .....other things. I'm with you though. That was pretty patheticLoSS.

Best thing about this thread is seeing MCRABT post again. I've missed you man. Don't be a stranger. Anyway, IRON are great people and good allies. I have no idea about their private relationship with NG, but I hope they both remain friends after this war. Begrudgingly I've began to see NG as a better alliance than what I used to consider them. Too bad I think they still have terrible opinions of me. Anyway, people for years have been attacking the way we do treaties. They whine that you have to have a treaty to join a war, they whine when you don't honor ODPs even when they are optional, they whine when you invoke non-chaining clauses. It's pretty obvious at this point treaties are basically fluid guidelines, and that has just as much to do with theculture of people claiming they don't need legal justifications to act as it does with people not honoring treaties. Pretty pathetic state, but we've all contributed it to this problem.

I hope everyone but Cata and Stefano gets obliterated. Good luck DoD.