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Chasmic Descent

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  1. Fair enough. I was thinking more along the lines of returning it because it was reperations paid on behalf of Kronos, and Kronos has now made clear they never wanted this to happen, rather than compensating TOP. But prehaps TOP deserve a little 300 tech spank for their actions (which does sound like an accident from what I've heard, albeit a big one.)
  2. Considering that the evidence was circumstantial, and that Kronos has since been able to cast doubt on some of your concerns, do you guys in STA believe that a symbolic gesture of returning the tech to TOP could be more benifical than keeping the token symbol of 300 tech, if it helped in keeping a better relationship with TOP/Kronos; considering as Masterof9puppets said in this thread, that the mistake on Kronos' behalf may not have merited any reperations?
  3. Hi there Bzelger, If Kronos were able to cast further doubt, or go so far as to disprove that they were aiding the rogues in the manner that STA suggested, would STA return the reps that TOP had paid for?
  4. To the guys in the RIA if your reading this my take on it, Alot of ppl in this thread are against what Penkala did (before he decided to quit) not because of some agenda or loyalty to athens, or even for drama, but because its funny to see a hypocrite squirm. Nuking some nation that you have tech raided is fine by me, I dont care, its your risk to take. But the fact that Penkala came down so hard on Athens for their actions and then refused to answer for his own was amusing. Tech raiding is still about the guy with the bigger stick hitting the littler guy. The case with Athens was just an even bigger divide between the raider and the victim. The fact of the matter is though, when you tech raid you are attacking someone who cant fight back without losing badly (even if Penkala wouldnt have had his mates gang up 3v1 if the victim put up a fight, the potential for Penkala to do so must have been very real for the victim). tldr, Tech raiding is fun, but tech raiders cant go around telling off other tech raiders for "doing it wrong" without looking like idiots.
  5. lol, Well actually I didn't judge Athens harshly for their recent actions, I'm in favour of tech raiding, and in my eyes raiding a 5 nation alliance which has no treaties (which alot of alliances do including my own) is similar to raiding a 40 strong alliance without treaties (putting aside the whole Mash thing, Imean even mash didnt know they had a treaty so how was Athens suppose to). It's just that Athens took a bigger risk than most tech raiding alliances, but thats just my view on it.
  6. no problem, things take time. Maybe in another six months our continued actions may cement you optimism
  7. You sound out of touch with what Valhalla is about.
  8. You prove that they dont. (oh god I sound like some religious nut D:)
  9. Everyone knows who would win if a dragon and a tiger crossed swords. Valhallan dragons' sword skills are second to none. Q. Has anyone in the STA ever read "The Life of Pi"? Its about a 16 yr old kid shipwrecked, in a lifeboat in the pacific ocean. Oh yeah and the other survivor on board this tiny lifeboat is a tiger...
  10. Well that will be interesting if its still active Dude, you have to spell it as "Kronos", not "Kronus", otherwise the acronym doesnt work
  11. I was being presumptious that they did have protectors, but i havent been able to find out much about them, they dont even have a cyber wiki page (that or I cant find it) But, if a 40 strong alliance has no treaties, well... that's quite irresponsible of them. The alliance leaders have left their members unprotected. Like it or not you cant remain out of the treaty web and hope that your alliance wont be tech raided. I guess o7 to Athens for having chosen a great alliance to tech raid
  12. yeah exactly. Athens can go raid anyone they want. If they want to raid bigger targets though the risk is on their shoulders. There is no moral dilemma here, its just a case of an alliance which may have bitten off more than they can chew. What would be wrong is if the Knights of Mi!'s protectors did nothing.
  13. I would be interested to hear if Athens is open to TOP techraiding them
  14. There is nothing wrong with what Athens have done, even if they have changed their stance. However this is a big alliance that has been targeted and there might be some interesting consequences from those who protect the Knights of Ni! Its refreshing to see people chase bigger and more risky targets. Oh and the whole "I should be able to join a 40 man alliance without the fear of being tech raided" doesnt wash with me. If your in alliance that has 40 members you should have the treaties to protect yourself, otherwise its your own alliance's fault for not chosing your friends carefully enough, or losing contact with them.
  15. bump can I have some plundertime now? ;_;
  16. Like Kry has already said this would best be discussed in another thread, or privately from gvt to gvt because I am enjoying this thread. But I ask you to put yourself in my shoes for a second. When I joined Valhalla it was december 08 and as we all know within a few months time karma came along, and this changed things for Valhalla, they had to take a good long look at themselves. My point is that this is the only Valhalla that I know. My time in this alliance has been the duration when they were actively seeking reconciliation, to make up for the mistakes they made in their past. So when I hear that all alliances but one were receptive to Valhalla's attempts to rebuild bridges, it makes new nations in Valhalla like me (one's who didnt exist during the feud) take an interest in the alliance which is being hostile, and become wary of them. Acting hostile towards diplomats will only sustain the feud, and if this sustained any longer you are going to find yourself with a grudge against an alliance whose majority nations were born after the incident. Im not arguing whether there should be an apology or there shouldnt be, but acting immediately hostile towards diplomats who just arrived on your forums is not the best approach in getting one. I hope that this is still something that can be worked out, and I have had the appotunity to talk to one or two of your members privately about the incident to get their side of it, and when discussing their anger with my alliance they never went as far to wanting to see us disbanded and leave the game but like you said, resolving it by apologising. tldr; Even if you feel you are right to ask for an apology, dont show the valhallan diplomats the door as quick as you can, but talk to them see what can worked out, or this will drag on and you will be holding a grudge against those who dont even know why you hate them.
  17. TOP- 3 MHA- 5 Sparta- 4 NpO- 6 IRON- 10 ODN- 3 FARK- 5 GPA- 5 NPO- 3 FOK- 4 MK- 4 WTF- 5 TOOL- 5 TDO- 5 VE- 4 Legion- 7 RoK- 5 GATO- 5 CSN- 5 Athens- 5 Gremlins- 5 MCXA- 5 UPN- 6 RIA- 5 STA- 2 Invicta- 8 RnR- 5 MASH- 5 NADC- 5 WAPA- 5 NV- 5 NSO- 6 NEW- 5 MA- 5 Umbrella- 8 FAN- 5 LoSS- 5 TSO- 5 NATO- 5 Nordreich- 5 GR- 5 Vanguard- 5 GOD- 5 FoB- 5 PC- 6 Valhalla- (biased) GGA- 5 TPF- 6 that was fun
  18. get away with it? :S They have disbanded and have run away. They have looked like utter fools, far worse than losing infrastructure
  19. You want to disband alliances you dont even know? You probably dont know the purple alliances you listed that well either. Ill make sure to ignore anything you say here in the future
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