Antonio Salovega VI

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1301900809' post='2683887'] It's a goddamn shame you were knocked out in round one. [/quote] [quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1301906162' post='2683908'] Why does VE let you post? [/quote] [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1301906722' post='2683909'] What is this even supposed to mean? [/quote] [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1301910080' post='2683918'] o/ Antonio Salovega VI, a fool. [/quote] [quote name='KahlanRahl' timestamp='1301928822' post='2683997'] I think this is where someone takes the proverbial old dog out back and shoots it in the back of the head to put it out of it's misery. [/quote] WOW, based on the quantity of the rather inept [i]argumentum ad hominem[/i] posts referencing my lil ol' post, it would appear that I must have hit the target.

o/ Mary the Fantabulous - Emperor of the NPO! o/ Mary the Fantabulous - Former President of the GPA! o/ Mary the Fantabulous - Holder of the Viridian Medal of Honor! o/ Mary the Fantabulous - Life Member of the Green Team! o/ Mary the Fantabulous - Cybernation's Cameleon Queen! [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/AS6signatureMaryTheFantabulous.png[/IMG]

I must admit that you caught me where I hate to be caught ... in the lack of even the most basic of research. As my grandchildren are want to say, "My bad". I shall correct my post accordingly.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1301290619' post='2678887'] That's a broad brush you're using there. [/quote] Your folks dropped it. It is still usable. As my sainted grandmother used to say: "Use it up; Wear it out; Make it do or; Do without." The broad strokes of the current plan is to: "Use NPO allies up; Wear NPO allies out; Make NPO allies do as they are instructed or; Make NPO allies do without tech, infra and $$$." I suggest that your NPO allies look into their pacifican crystal balls. Even the most die-hard NPO types, deep from within in the dark caves of the pacified-mode, should be able to see that far ahead. Perhaps you could personally enlighten them, if they cannot or refuse to see. You appear to have the touch of reason. [size="1"]edited to correct the deficiencies pointed out by World Conqueror[/size]

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1300524309' post='2670054'] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=328646"]Your nation[/url]. 457,239 Casualties Before you whine about his casualty count, you should bring yours up to at least his level. So far, you are at roughly half. And regardless, if his alliance is happy with what he does, then it's not really up to you. In alliances where almost everyone is upper tier, bankers may not be important, but in alliances where you have a wide range, bankers are very helpful. [/quote] 1. You are right. My current casualty count is a little under half of Branimere’s 5 year. For all practical purposes, it was acquired during the most recent war. The $6M War didn’t contribute that much. My current casualty count is also substantially lower than the one I had in a previous incarnation. My former ID was 33367 [{OOC} game death by RL political campaign and a RL hospitalization{/ooc}] and it stood at 1,476,178 to be exact. Does that should put Killer Branimir’s casualty count into perspective for you? 2. The casualty count actually is not my argument. That credit belongs to KingEsus. You can find his argument [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=99990&view=findpost&p=2669229][b]HERE[/b][/url] I merely put KingEsus' argument into the correct perspective. 3. Are you sure that the NPO troops who must content themselves with ancient doctor office Sir Paul tabloids while are shedding their blood and treasure are happy? Has anyone informed them that the mighty killer is sitting back in his palace thumbing through “[i]2011 Viridian BloodSports Magazine – Swimsuit Edition[/i]”? [center][IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/AS6veBloodSport.png[/IMG][/center] 4. A banker is only helpful when he exits peacemode and starts distributing his largess. Last time I checked the mighty warrior, Branimir of Ujedinjena Slavija, still felt like his nation was too important to fight and/or that his struggling comrades, what’s left of them, were not important enough for him to come to their aid. Apparently you, as well as the fearsome Branimir’s NPO elite peacemode warriors, agree.

[quote name='Henry' timestamp='1300501367' post='2669722'] ~snip~ [/quote] Two can play this game...Your argument is invalid sir.

[quote name='KingEsus' timestamp='1300475907' post='2669229'] Are you seriously attacking him for being in peace mode? Two months on, seriously? You know he's following orders. Branimir has been fighting for 5 years, his casualty figures prove he's not averse to a bit of rough'n'tumble. Such a horrible personal attack from someone so ... mediocre. I love it, you beat them down for no reason, drag a load of the rest of us in and then complain when they play it their own way, dragging up tactics from 2008 to goad them out of peace mode. [/quote] Am I calling him out for being in peace mode while his comrades are fighting the war? You got it! Nothing gets past you does it? But seriously, that is your argument? An 892K casualty figure? In five ... I say again ... five years? That would not even give him braggin' rights in the GPA for heaven's sake. GPA, the neutral menace, has fought one defensive war and they did not want that. How many wars has your illustrious hero fought in? Suffice it to say a few more than one. So how does he stack up when compared to those in the GPA? [list][color="#FF0000"][url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=14042]branimir of Ujedinjena Slavija[/url] Alliance Seniority: 5/11/2006 5:41:01 PM (1,772 Days) 891,436 Casualties[/color] [color="#008000"][url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=104662]Cabernet of Valley of Vines[/url] Alliance Seniority: 2/11/2007 8:53:10 PM (1,496 Days) 1,008,448 Casualties [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=77214]Shankus Maximus of Pogoland[/url] Alliance Seniority: 12/9/2006 4:09:24 PM (1,560 Days) 1,961,924 Casualties [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=66838]Thomasj_tx of TJ Land[/url] Alliance Seniority: 11/24/2006 3:08:44 PM (1,575 Days) 2,643,945 Casualties [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=4558]Caribbean Ghost I of Bertollopia[/url] Alliance Seniority: 3/16/2006 5:49:18 PM (1,828 Days) 3,254,769 Casualties [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=926]Duke Phillips of the Land of Lawson[/url] Alliance Seniority: 1/30/2006 (1,873 Days) 3,368,956 Casualties[/color][/list] The mighty warrior, Branimir of Ujedinjena Slavija, would likely have a higher casualty figure if he had joined the The Neutral Menace. So what has he been doing in all those wars he has been braggin' about been killin' in? Most likely the same thing he is doing right now. Hiding out in peace mode and only fighting when forced to do so. Just as in the past, your hero, the self-proclaimed fighter, the noble Branimir, has abandoned the field of battle. His comrades are fighting enemies which out number and out gun them or are in bill lock. He has an entire armamentorium filled to the brim with dusty armaments. His large standing army serves only to spit shine his munitions. He reputedly also has a massive war chest. Where is Branimir the magificent, the terror of cybernations? What is he doing while his commrades spill their blood and treasure? Like the rest of the NPO elite, he is sitting comfortably in peace mode with a DEFCON of five, drinking chardonnay and smoking imported havanahs. In fighting a war his nation is no better than Ivan Modavi's. For that matter, he may as well be in the GPA, as much help as he is to his comrades, the real soldiers of the NPO.

[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1300456064' post='2669066'] Like this war of no CB, provocation or reason, right? Yes it seems fair after such an offer-- let us destroy the rest of NS you have left so your destruction will be complete. That is all, very fair. There is no walking away. "Giving them no chance-- ever". Remember? Be it formal war, or peace, this isnt stopping. DH DoW is clear, we got the message. You mean, until you hit a size too large for comfort to some and then you will get hit out of the blue, without CB as understood, no provocation, no reason, with a DoW that basically says-- we will not allow you a chance, ever. At least I can not get disappointed in you, AirMe, as some get as I have no expectation from you. [/quote] I am sure I am not the only one to notice that you describe yourself as a soldier beneath your avatar. I find that quite humorous in light of the fact that you have yet to come out off peace mode. A barracks soldier. Must be nice. Your signature is funny as well for much the same reason. I suspect that the only thing you have killed while in hippy mode is time. Out of the sheer generosity and the pure kindness of my heart, I made you a brand new signature graphic which at least is honest. [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPObranimir.png[/IMG] I looked over your nation. Impressive. [list] Ruler: branimir Nation Name: Ujedinjena Slavija Nation Strength: 66,896.513 DEFCON Level: DEFCON 5 Number of Soldiers: 40,000 (70,824) Number of Tanks: 3,000 Aircraft: 105 Navy Vessels: 41 Nuclear Weapons: 25[/list] Yes, quite impressive. I’ll bet you are quite busy just keeping you armaments dusted. From the above it is very apparent that, like Ivan Moldavi, your "blood still runs with the cold resolve of Order." How many nukes have you eaten in this conflict? How many comrades within the NPO have you rescued from bill lock? How many of your comrades have been comforted knowing that you are in the trenches right beside them? Are your minions comfortable with the fact that your current nation strength is higher than it was prior to this conflict? Are the real NPO soldiers comfortable with your decision (and those of your elite peers) to never fight in this conflict? Oh, you are a killer all right; a real soldier's soldier. I bet you look all pretty in your garrison uniform.

[quote name='mmansfield68' timestamp='1300422876' post='2668747'] That just sounded bitter. From the looks of things, NPO isn't done fighting. Their attackers, on the other hand, appear to be growing weary. Just an observation, mind you. [/quote] You have been around these forums for almost as long as I have. Have you ever known Ardus to bluff or grow weary of war? I haven’t. I truly haven’t. Do you think that FAN is bluffing? Given the history, I do not. I can pretty much guarantee you that the offer from Ardus is about as as good as NPO is going to get. You must agree that it is far better than the ulimatum Ardus gave to /b/ a few years back. I would suggest to NPO to accept the offer before Ardus retracts it and offers something not quite so lenient. As you say: Just an observation, mind you.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300413350' post='2668589'] You are completely correct of course. Certainly I could have been more active in retirement (although I'm not sure the term would have any meaning then) and anticipated this unwarranted attack and built up a small nation that would undoubtedly have been ZI'd. And of course there are plenty of nuclear capable nations within range of my own. And possibly I could have wasted some aid slots in order to get myself out of a year long bill lock, because me demonstrating for you that I don't fit your extremely absurd and narrow definition of cowardice makes much more sense than having that money go to a nation that isn't retired or inactive which could actually use it. Bravo! You have shown me the error of my ways. [/quote] [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPOinadequacy.png[/IMG] So you decided to skip all that mind-numbing and boring stuff. Eating a nuke was not for you. Far too plebian for the great Ivan Moldavi. Attacking an enemy in order to take the pressure off a fellow NPO comrade, who was out manned and out-gunned, was beneath your dignity, too. You couldn’t be inspiring doing that. No, not Ivan Moldavi, the magnificent motivator. Sending a paltry $3M to a bill-locked comrade was certainly beneath you as well. None of that dross stuff for you, no siree-bob. You bypassed at that, divested your nation of infrastructure and technology, discharged all your military and went straight to inadequate punctuated with a vertical string of zeros. How fitting. For anyone other than the Great Ivan Moldavi that would have been a difficult choice to make. However, you made it quickly without a second thought what the potential effect it could have on the NPO proletariat, your comrades, who are actually fighting on the front lines. And the leadership of NPO, inspired by your brilliant example decided that they should be useless and cowardly, too. This explains why they are ensconced securely in hippy mode where they are just as ineffectual as you. Shucks with you as a role model, they may be even more impotent than you . . . Hmmm . . . Is that even possible? Nawh. What am I thinking? With that thought in mind, I stand all amazed. You and the leadership of the NPO have worked so hard to be incompetent cowards that the NPO truly deserves to be an asterisk in Cybernation history.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300397516' post='2668188'] That is a bit of a reach don't you think? I have a nation so I can post here. I have never been on at consecutive updates and have never understood the basic mechanics of the Cyberverse. Somewhat for lack of effort, but mostly from lack of time. When I have had a nation worth any level of substance it has been rogue attacked relentless in times of peace, still making it castrated during times of war. Every member of the Order has value. Some have logistic and strategic gifts that I can not comprehend. Some are graphic artists that make images in minutes that I couldn't do in months. Some are great writers and some are good with the national financial structures. And some are good at dying. Those are the most valuable parts of the Order. They always have been. I count myself lucky to be able to stand in the same room as any soldier of Pacifica or any of the other Orders because to me leadership means service and service means sacrifice. Now, I have a certain level of charisma and can on occasion wordsmith paltry statements of encouragement and support. My gift to the Orders has always been my loud obnoxious mouth. It has caused the Orders grief, but it has also bolstered their successes. In this realm and others I am a natural leader. I know how to fit people into specific roles that gain success because of their collective effort. I have never claimed victory for myself alone, even when others threw it at my feet. Me waving my impotent fist here on this stage at this time is the only gift I have for Pacifica. It is the only gift I have ever had for them truly. And it is still effective on the home-front, even if some here would mock or disparage it. My nation might be disarmed, but my blood still runs with the cold resolve of Order. [/quote] Come now. Be honest. In actuality, waving your impotent fist here on this stage is the only gift that you choose to give. You could give others but you have deliberately chosen not to. You could be the natural target of nukes and inspire the member-nations of the orders by doing so. But you don't. You could choose to give aid to those in bill lock. But you don't. You could choose to ride to the aid of those who are fighting desperate odds. But you don't. You could choose to send aid when the hostilities end. But you can't and so you won't. Instead you leave your fellow members-nations to fend for themselves while you offer platitudes and half-witicisms. Your blood may still run with the cold resolve of Order but you have chosen not to spill a single drop of it. You may be able to wordsmith paltry statements of encouragement and support but you have deliberately chosen not to back up those statements with anything approaching real sacrifice. What I find most interesting is that you try to justify your cowardice as if it were a noble attribute.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300390556' post='2668017'] Really? The best you could do was come up with a picture and some random commentary that has already been addressed and moved past two hours ago? Good job. Perhaps it wasn't clear the other dozen or so times that it has been stated, so I will do so again, just for you: I do not speak for the New Pacific Order or any other alliance in the Cyberverse. I do not claim to hold any influence over any groups within the Cyberverse, in fact I claim quite the opposite and point out repeatedly that I am well aware that I am past my prime here and a non-factor. I do not claim to be remorseful for the sake of remorse so that emo kids like you can get your jollies. I don't care what you think of me. I have never placed any concern whatsoever in the "feelings" of my enemies. You are my enemy for a reason, so why should I care about you? I am arrogant and egotistical to the nth degree. I don't apologize for that either. I have maintained my same persona for nearly a decade in these realms and have no need to change it now. Again, I do not care what you think of me. The fact that you feel the need to address me at all only speaks to your own deficiencies and insecurities. I have no guns. I have no soldiers. I have no tanks. I am a complete non-entity. And yet when I make valid points I can't get people to respond to them, instead they feel they need to attack my persona (and in some cases go outside the realms of the Cyberverse to do so) because they are ridiculously underprepared for even the most germane comment from someone like myself. Regardless of all of this, my own actions have no bearing on the position of the New Pacific Order or the position of the NPO's diplomatic actions. To equate myself with Pacifica is an error. I once was the Order, but now I am just me, even if that ideological position has never shifted. The fact that I can say that definitively and without reservation should speak more to the changes that have taken place within the culture of Pacifica more so than any diplomatic envoy could ever convey. [/quote] Your denial notwithstanding, your and the orders are intrinsically connected. You do not fight in the orders defense because you cannot fight. That you helplessly continue to shake your impotent fist at your enemies while having disarmed your nation only proves that you value the member nations of the orders as little as you do your own nation. That special brand of cowardice is nothing for which you should be proud . . . and yet you are. [quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1300391112' post='2668028'] Really? That's the best you got? Not only is it 100% biased, but it is a pretty weak reasoning for a CB. You make GGA look like the god of finding great CB's [/quote] [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPObutthurt.png[/IMG] Really? That's the best fallacy you got? Not only is it 100% biased, but apparently you were so busy crafting your strawman that you failed to note that I did not say or even intimate anything about a CB. I really do not care about a CB. It is of alsolutely no consequence to me. I'm just personally very pleased over the fact that NPO is once again getting stomped. I have for months said that NPO's leadership, from Clown Prince Chuckles to the lowly NCO has failed its member nations. It has remained arrogant, condescending and undisciplined. Only when the orders clean house and find itself new, strong leadership who are willing to make a course correction will it find acceptance in the civilized brotherhood of alliances. [quote name='Biff Webster' timestamp='1300391378' post='2668035'] Nice sig. Here, you can take a break for the next month or so: [/quote] Biff, I now understand why you recruited me to do your alliance’s art work. I hope you are a better playwright than an artist.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1300381450' post='2667827'] First, diplomacy does not equate to apologizing for differences of opinion. Second, once terms end in any given conflict then there is no precedent for any form of ongoing diplomatic relations between the prior victor and the defeated. At no point was anyone in NPO beholden to MK or GOONS or anyone else to be friendly to them or to give a damn about their opinions of them. The NPO maintained diplomatic silence for a long period of time, even though it was truly unnecessary and evidently ineffective, in order to appease your side from Karma. The hubris and bravado that once accompanied (and in fact defined) every single government proclamation from the NPO has all but ceased to exist. In many ways the Pacifican culture, as an outward expression to the ignorant masses, was truncated by the loss in Karma. To state that NPO didn't change while holding up a banner that supports direct hypocritical actions on your part is asinine. [/quote] Actually, what is asinine is NPO’s hypocrisy in general and your own hypocrisy in particular. You insist that NPO changed when it did not alter anything to the least degree. NPO initiated Karma and had its butt kicked to the curb for its troubles and yet NPO and you, its apparent chief apologist, continue to insist that it was not at fault. Post Karma, it used Sir Paul’s little one step beyond the truth rag to belittle other alliances while maintaining that it had transformed. NPO whined like a cur in heat that nobody would allow it to put its past behind while at the same time feeling no necessity to forgive and forget SethB’s reputed actions. NPO demasked foreign diplomats and closed foreign embassies all the while claiming it was trying to diplomatically mend its fences. NPO makes its self-serving apologies and you defend, without apology, your repudiation of your own apology. There is no change and NPO is getting stomped for the third time because NPO and you could not refrain from being arrogant and egotistical. You are not helping the order’s cause. I suggest that you and NPO alter course and deal with-it. If you do not, NPO is going to be an asterisk in history. tl;dr: [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPOmoldavi.png[/IMG]

[quote name='VenetianBlind' timestamp='1300248762' post='2666167'] I will admit I am no Sir Paul. [/quote] For that you can stand tall and proud! Very, very proud.