DonVox

This. The main goal of the war is to stop the cycle of DH beating down the rest of CN's upper tiers. Just because NPO/DR has allies on both sides does not detract them from the original aim of the war. That's why its the Equilibrium War. The massive political rout that DH has suffered in the leadup to this war is a consequence to the vast inequality it has created since Karma.

This war is more idealism (aka scoring grudges against DH) than realpolitik. Half of the alliances on Equilibrium side can simply avoid this war, since the original CB had nothing to do with them, and yet gain from its result. The fact that so many disparate alliances banded together against a common foe shows how much tension was built up against DH. MK, Umbrella, TOP, etc. have much less support now than what NPO had in 2008.

DH & Co's unceasing condescension is what brought them to their current predicament.

As a percentage of NS, only CSN and AGW Overlords have lost more than VE. VE deserves the swift end to this conflict.

Expected and respected. o/

Thank you NATO!

The chart could also demonstrate how new nations with weak resources are more likely to delete due to trade frustration. edit: grammar

Congrats on 3 years, a long time!

Needs a dramatic reading. Was going to post the exact same thing but you beat me to it

Congrats, with much love from Pacifica

What a nice euphemism for hypocrisy.

Nice flag BFF has thar

Do you seriously think we're going to believe that? Not calling in our allies is virtually mass peace mode for them, since their NS goes totally untouched. If DH sees us as such a threat, there is no way that that their attitudes towards peace mode would be any different if went alone. Their current reasoning that "tons of nations have not yet seen fighting" can be extended if we went alone too.

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1294142131' post='2563011'] I think Wicked covered it pretty good. Sure it sucks, but the blame is on UPN and not on Peggy here. Something with a donkey and a rock. [/quote] While Peggy had every right to cancel payments for the forums, it was totally unnecessary to a) delete the old Zetaboards forum, which Peggy didn't need to pay for. b) Put up a near-NSFW picture and insulting text on cnupn.net, c) blackmail UPN for forum data. Blaming UPN is like blaming a rape victim for being raped.

peggy, I am disappoint Or was this totally expected?

[quote name='King John Philos Vi' timestamp='1293916313' post='2560261'] I misjudged you, my bad. If you can manage to get free from the innards of Altheus's backside and you decide to talk realistically, you know where to find me. Let's see if your mind can somewhat fathom the future. What happens when Altheus doesn't like the direction you are taking with HIS alliance? Let me take a step back. What happens to this facade called a "triumvirate" when it doesn't suit his needs to mandate his will through the use of half or less minded puppets? Let me give you a tip: never grow a brain. Also, when your usefulness for UPN's PR is over, don't let the door hit you on the backside on the way out. The same thing goes to Kev as well. [/quote] Give Altheus a break, please. UPN was a foundocracy, as acknowledged by Altheus himself, not a pure democracy. The democratic component of UPN didn't serve it well. UPN has little to lose now, so some experimentation with a triumvirate won't hurt. If it doesn't work, an autocracy is the next step.

What would you consider to be the first and second ages of UPN?

Finally. Congrats

Good luck to FEAR!

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1292812453' post='2545323'] I surely hope your protectors at Pegasus don't have to endure as much crap as we had to endure from you when DRAGON split off UPN. I mean, you ended up doing just the same thing. [/quote] this. In addition, I hope the UPN people will not have to endure any problems from Pegasus

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1290909091' post='2524996'] Root cause; Alliances splitting, and those splitter alliances splitting, until we have ~170 alliances and only so many over even 1m NS [whatever their member count]. Almost all of them want to achieve 'the top' and be big deals/big alliances but next to none of them ever will be, and failing to realize that dream will destroy the morale of everyone in the alliance and get them to quit, ultimately. Solution; Start discouraging splits and start eradicating incompetent and poorly organized alliances as opportunity presents. If crappy alliances disband I think there's a reasonable assumption (based on the aftermath of the old wars - GW2, 3, the ones prior) to be made that the members won't just all quit; that they'll disperse into other alliances. Therefore, eradicate the GGA and GGA-clones of CN and you're left with a much better population inhabiting the landscape. And while I'm obviously biased towards my side, please note that I am well aware a number of them fit that description. I'm not excluding them. [/quote] I agree, but the alliances that are in the position to eradicate these splinter alliances are not doing anything.

o/ Emperor Blackbird

Congrats UINE!

The moralist 'side', if it exists, is so fragmented and statically inferior to the tightly connected non-moralists that any future war between those sides will be an easy win for the non-moralists.

Hail Polar and the new Emperor!