Kowalski

[quote name='Courland' timestamp='1334334188' post='2952243'] No, officer, I don't want to press charges. GOONS still loves me. I must've walked into a door. Or something... [/quote] That's my girl, now let's go home and work it out...

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1334326331' post='2952169'] Ah Gre, full of disapproving words, sadly lacking in action. [/quote] Someone buy this man a drink.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1334321521' post='2952114'] Wow, Umbrella and GOONS weren't enough to take on Kaskus and Mongols? Umbrella/GOONS need to learn how to fight, this is getting ridiculous that you guys need to call in all of Pandora's Box for backup against some micros. [/quote] Perhaps you can use your knowledge of the situation to point out which, or perhaps just how many out of which total, Umbrella nations struggled and therefore need to learn how to fight.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1334296602' post='2951975'] Embarrassing for VE. This is like say: "I'm against aborts, but I'll help a friend of mine to make one just because he is my friend." or "I forbid my sons to use drugs but I doesn't see a problem in buying some pot for the son of a friend of mine."[/quote] No, it's nothing like that, because we aren't anti or against raiding as those you have mentioned might be anti-abortion or against drugs. Your examples might make more sense (although admittedly still very little) if you compared the situation to someone who had been pregnant but chosen to keep their baby helping a friend get an abortion, and then asking if that was hypocritical or embarrassing. Which of course it wouldn't be because in the real world (unlike your moralist, black-or-white-and-nothing-inbetween dreamworld) choosing not to partake in something is not the same as being anti/against it. [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1334296602' post='2951975']There a difference being allied to an alliance who allow tech raids but doesn't protect the raider if the raid goes wrong(eg: STA) and being allied with an alliance who babysitter their tech raiders and make fiascos like this one happen just because some nation sent 3m and 2000 soldiers for the nation who was being raided and GOONS was outraged with such atrocity. [/quote] Again you aren't noticing (or are choosing to ignore) subtle differences. GOONS did nothing wrong by tech raiding and followed their own rules, which we are well aware of. Morally some may have an issue but given that tech raiding is not generally seen as a cb for full scale war tech raiding in itself is not a crime or a defensible act. If the chain of events had ended with the raid peacing out then none of this would have happened. The fact that someone decided to retaliate via sending war aid is what set this chain off. Now they were well within their rights to do that, just like any of these micros that want to take pot shots at GOONS to flex their moralist muscles are, but there will be repercussions. It's hypocritical to say "I'm allowed to do this but you aren't", it isn't hypocritical to say "you've done to me what I've done to you, so I'm going to fight back harder because I'd accept you doing the same to me". There's a difference.

[quote name='Judge X' timestamp='1334295999' post='2951966'] Please help me because I am not sure what is going on. Is this accurate? somebody pulled out a flamethrower to kill a fly because a fly swatter did not work? [/quote] Have you ever used a flamethrower? It's fun.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1334295680' post='2951961'] In this specific case you are right, but while I have no false hopes about that, this fiasco should make VE re-think about it's allies, being called to defend GOONS after a tech raid that gone wrong when VE expressly forbid their members to tech raid is very embarrassing to say at least. [/quote] Embarrassing for who? If that were the case then we wouldn't be allies with anyone who tech raids. You're really stretching to turn an alliance who chooses not to tech raid having a relationship with one that does into some sort of conflict of interests, when it really isn't.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1334295264' post='2951947'] He's in GOD. A number of VE members have gone to GOD. [/quote] This is Schatt we're talking about, why let the truth get in the way of a smarmy dig.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334294073' post='2951922'] Except you won't remedy the problem. If you guys have Kaskus surrender without lowering the rep amount within a month or even two months, I'll send you free tech. [/quote] That isn't the only remedy.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1334293646' post='2951908'] They already are going out in a blaze of glory. The only thing you're doing is looking like idiots while they do it. [/quote] You expect us to place what morons think about us as a higher priority than using overkill to remedy an annoying situation involving a member that has gone on for too long?

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1334293538' post='2951906'] Is that really the best you've got? [/quote] I guess that answers my question.

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1334293232' post='2951896'] If you really don't care how this war started, there's really nothing left to say. [/quote] We don't, so can we accept that as confirmation that you won't be posting again?

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1334293122' post='2951890'] But it's embarrassing. Think of the children. [/quote] PB has no shame, therefore cannot be embarrassed.

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1334292437' post='2951871'] Is there a more recent decree that addresses VE policy on tech raiding? On their forums I read now that tech raiding is still forbidden, except for military training. [/quote] It is. Which VE member is tech raiding?

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1334292182' post='2951859'] Loving that out of the entire bloc, VE's doing all your work for you. True unity. [/quote] When you have good friends who understand each other that sort of thing doesn't really matter.

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1334292046' post='2951857'] I see where you're coming from, but what's even stranger is seeing a Viridian as the OP here and [b]Viridian nations leading the charge to enforce GOON's internal policy on tech raiding[/b]. http://www.viridianentente.com/showthread.php?5718-A-Decree-on-Tech-Raiding [img]http://i.imgur.com/wgjwk.jpg[/img] Perhaps this explains some of their DoW reasons: [img]http://i.imgur.com/ZPURQ.jpg[/img] How the mighty fall. [/quote] That post really wasn't worth the effort it took to put together.

[quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1334290248' post='2951823'] Final nail in the coffin for the myth that GOONS love war, don't care about infra, etc. [/quote] Don't be stupid, this is just proof that they aren't very good at it and like to win.

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1334288514' post='2951800'] From what I can see is that GOONS had a much higher and more capable fighting ability when those of us in The Ninja's and FnKa attacked GOONS. [/quote] Kaskus/Mongols have forced it to another level than Ninjas/FnKa could. Don't be jealous or try to belittle their achievement, just be happy for them.

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1333786603' post='2949511'] If you think it's stagnant or flawed, perhaps you might consider tweaking your political approach to something a bit more realistic politically? To wit, Sardonic claims your alliance is [i]lawful evil[/i], but I find it to be a bit more [i]chaotic evil[/i]... perhaps your complaints with the game reside within yourself? [/quote] You're confusing the game itself with the political environment that the players choose to create. The game itself is out of date and lacks anything engaging or impressive, so unless new users want to put the time into getting involved in alliances then they will give up on it pretty quickly.

Yeah that wasn't really the point.

[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1333427738' post='2947678'] The whole point of this game is that there are many different ways to play it - neutrality, isolationist, bloc building, tech raiding, tech dealing, rogue attacks, what have you. They're all within the means of the game (i.e. not rule breaking). Different people take pleasure in different activities. People being neutral enjoy it (for reasons I understand, but disagree with), and Yuri obviously got fun out of the rogue attacks. So I ask - who are you to say what is the wrong way to play? What makes you, ChairmanHal, the bastion of CN to decide what is the right and wrong in this game? [/quote] He was RoK gov during Karma, surely you knew that.

[quote name='Alex0827a' timestamp='1332933461' post='2944281'] If I were Kaskus, I'd be proud to know that my alliance could give a much larger one enough trouble to call in Umbrella [/quote] All Kaskus 'did' to cause GOONS trouble was accept a few NEW ghosts whose nations are way bigger than the average GOONS nation. If that would make you proud then you must have pretty low standards.

At least this one isn't in comic sans.

All the best Noli.

[quote name='Zephyr Lite' timestamp='1328305009' post='2913992'] The point is we have a stat with a big number, and I'm told that big number is relevant. [/quote] Sorry to rain on your parade, but that number ain't that big.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1328304134' post='2913972'] They said we wouldn't make it. They said we were a joke. They said we would fade. [/quote] You are a joke, no amount of NS will change that.