Kellory

It seems like just last week that Band introduced me to TPC and yourself LR. The time has just flown by it seems. You and TPC have always been strong allies and friends and it is good knowing that all of you will be finding new homes with some of our other friends and allies. TPC was not some experiment that started, lived, and is now passing away. It will continue to grow and evolve within the Federation in it's own way. As so many other communities have come together with TPF over the years to leave their own personal mark. I know you and the rest of TPC will work and help create an even greater TPF than has come before. And Judge? Still not merging with TPF. But anytime you want to glow in the dark, you know where my acorns are.

In recognition of the aggressive and unwarranted attack against the New Pacific Order by the Federation of Armed Nations, the AOD Brigade hereby recognizes a State of Armed Conflict exists between it and the Federation of Armed Nations pursuant to Article III of our Mutual Defense and Optional Aggression Pact with The Phoenix Federation. For the AOD Brigade, Kellory, Great Sage and Minister of Foreign Affairs. Signed on behalf of the AOD Briade, Band20, Brigade Professor and Leader Mio~, Battle Maid and Minister of War Nagato-san, Grand Sage, Minister of Internal Affairs Kellory, Great Sage, Minister of Foreign Affairs

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321776554' post='2847386'] There is your NOU argument right there.[/quote] That is a reflection upon how others generally react here. If one looks at posts on these forums, that is often the case. Someone says something, someone responds, the original respondent does not reply to it directly but says that the second person is angry. It happens all the time. You basically pulled out the "U Mad Bro?" card and I called you on it. Just like how I called you on pulling the "No U" card as well. Pointing these out does not make it a "No U" argument. And finally, even were it true one sentence does not many No U arguments make. I would point out your original post on that has a plural on it. I am also replying to your posts as opposed to just removing the content and making ad hominem arguments. [quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321776554' post='2847386']However if you are trying so hard not to be relevant, then why bother posting at all? Seems to defeat any purpose if you are trying not to be relevant, yet decide to post your opinion and argue with others, don't you think?[/quote] Because it amuses me. I am responding here in my own capacity, not as a member of my alliance. The only time so far I have responded in my capacity as a member of government was my first post here. The rest has been me entertaining myself. I have to entertain myself as no one else is going to entertain me. But mostly it is because you seemed to be distancing PoZ from NBA's Anime Themed roots when it seemed to me that the two alliances are very similar in this regard. As I do not think we have any confirmation from NBA yet as to their overall watching/like of Anime and/or Japanese culture. Maybe they just thought including Anime references would be funny, or to signify their roots as a splinter alliance. Who knows, I certainly do not as I'm not really on speaking terms with anyone in either SOS or NBA really. Although I think we've had some contact over time with Myrrh. I suppose to more directly answer your question, however, I do not think anyone posts in threads such as these to gain relevance. Indeed posting in these threads seem to me to reduce one's overall relevance. So thus too it serves my purposes. I am sure you must know this already, however. [quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321776554' post='2847386']Also arguing that you aren't a weeaboo, while having an anime signature and an anime related avatar? Give me a break. [/quote] As Horo points out the issue at hand is about alliances not individuals. Still, if you must know, my inclusion of an Anime signature (my avatar has nothing to do with Anime and that is our Flag in the background which is not Anime related) is not based upon preoccupation with a different culture. Which is the definition of Weeaboo. In any event, things are shifting here from why you seem to think the Principality of Zeon is not as much of an Anime Themed alliance as the Nice Boat Alliance. Please note here I am making a differentiation between Weeaboo and Anime Themed as they can be mutually exclusive. One may be able to argue SOS and NsO are Weeaboo alliances if you so choose, although since Weeaboo itself is something of a derogatory label I would not, but I do not think we have any confirmation on whether Nice Boat is. And it seems Evangeline has stated that the Principality of Zeon is only Anime Themed, and not really preoccupied with Anime itself. So I am still rather curious as to why you seem to think there is a difference between the Principality of Zeon and the Nice Boat Alliance in terms of Themes. Assuming of course that Nice Boat does not have a preoccupation with Anime. It would seem to be then that both alliances would be similar in terms of Themes. [quote name='Evangeline Anovilis' timestamp='1321798456' post='2847432'] Please don't fight over what is anime-themed and what is weeaboo. I have to say, Zeon has pretty much noone who really watches anime, apart from me, while I do know that there also exist people talking in weirder weeaboo ways than Kellory. And NBA is more weeaboo than both combined. Even though they try their hardest to argue against it.[/quote] Well, considering the generally accepted derogatory nature of the word Weeaboo I can see why people would argue against it if they can. As I have stated, however, I have not seen anything to indicate that Nice Boat Alliance is any more or less different than the Principality of Zeon. If the Principality of Zeon does not consider itself a Weeaboo alliance and barely Anime Themed, then absent confirmation about how Nice Boat Alliance see's itself I would think you would grant them similar consideration. That is not a Weeaboo alliance and barely Anime Themed. Yet you seem to argue that they are more. And I could be wrong, but I do not think that NBA has argued anything here. And while I would apologize to Nice Boat for this talk, at the same time my point is that the two alliances have points of congruity. At least on the surface. Perhaps there are deep rifts in terms of overall goals and policies and politics. However, that should not preclude at least the acknowledgement of those similarities where they occur. That is I do not think the Principality of Zeon should condemn the Nice Boat Alliance for those things that they too have.

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321762029' post='2847300'] Gotta love all the "NOU"'s that you are using. [/quote] Was there a No U statement in there? Just saying it does not make it so. I'm simply giving a rebuttal of arguments made. That does not make it a no u statement.

[quote name='Evangeline Anovilis' timestamp='1321760777' post='2847293'] I may also state my personal opinion: I have my past ties with SOS, I'm not going to deny it. I helped SOS Brigade and cheered them on back then and I will do so in the future. But I will cheer for those few people left in the original SOS, not that whole bunch which seceeded from it and now denies its past and even more importantly denies its present. To mention not to be a weeaboo, while presenting such a charter is a disgrace and hypocrisy I haven't seen till now. I cannot help but feel disappointed and also, slightly disgusted. [/quote] I would not disagree personally. I do find it amusing to see those who say that NBA is not an Anime themed alliance. It does seem contrary to what is written. Although I admit that is certainly not to the level of disgrace and hypocrisy I've seen here in the past. It is sort of lukewarm on that scale really. For the record I have no issues with the Principality of Zeon. I just was trying to clarify what Bloodfury was saying. Everyone is what they are and should be proud of it.

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321759285' post='2847283'] You are one angry Weeaboo. An alliance made as a joke, will always be an alliance made as a joke. You try so hard to prove you are not a Weeaboo, trying to hide something? I am sorry you are in a horrible alliance and are now trying to become relevant 3 years after you formed. You can say what ever you want. As the old saying goes, Talks like a Weeaboo, Walks like a Weeaboo, Acts like a Weeaboo, and Hangs out with other Weeaboo's, thus is a Weeaboo. [/quote] Angry? I find it amusing really. That anytime someone touches a nerve the automatic response is that the other person is angry. I am not trying to prove anything really. I was simply stating the facts behind our alliance. As for my quoting you, I was simply quoting the facts of that as well. If you wish to call yourself a joke alliance, by all means. We are not, at least to ourselves. What the rest of the world thinks is up to them, and not under our control, and so not something to get angry about. As for the alliance I am in, who says we are trying to be relevant? Not I or we certainly. We are relevant to those that choose to see us as so, and not relevant to those who do not. Clearly you among others fall into the latter category and I applaud that. We have spent years trying not to be relevant. That you clearly do not see us so simply tells us that we have succeeded. So thank you. And as for myself, I am not aware of my hanging out with weeaboos. I hang out with TPF, but they're gun freaks. Does that make me a gun freak as well? And I'm not sure how a weeaboo walks. Is it different from how a Space Nazi walks? Talks like a weeaboo? I was not aware I spoke like one. But I guess that is open to interpretation. As for acting like one, well, by definition I cannot be one. So I cannot really act like one. So like possibly 1 of 4. I dunno but to my math that does not really add up. That's like maybe 25%, that does not seem like a majority to me. I admit, I was always a bit weak in math though. Personally I find this thread entertaining at this point. If you wish to continue to amuse me, by all means continue. I have nothing but time in this universe. Oh yes, and obligatory Nice Boat to Nice Boat. Woo, I did a meme!

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1321739067' post='2847076'] Space Nazi Themed. Thank you very much. [/quote] I am unclear here, are you trying to say Principality of Zeon is not an Anime Themed alliance? [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Zeon]While technically correct, the Principality of Zeon from the Gundam Universe was based upon an enlarged version of Nazi Germany, I would have to say that it is still an Anime Themed alliance.[/url] Sort of by definition as it is based upon the Principality of Zeon in the Gundam Universe. As it would not exist without the Gundam Anime Franchise. [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98588]Note your Charter with the Gundam Principality of Zeon flag. Also note the references to Colonies and being Anti Federalist, the references to suits and the Antarctic Treaty. I am unsure whether or not calling yourselves Space Nazi's is really a compliment or a good thing, but it does not change the fact that you are themed on one of the longest and most popular Anime franchises.[/url] All things considered it would seem to me that the Principality of Zeon is as Anime Themed as Nice Boat. For pretty much the same reasons. Name based upon an Anime reference with Anime references inside of the Alliance Charters. Unless you were simply pointing out how proud you are to be both an Anime Themed Alliance and Space Nazi's at the same time. In which case...carry on?

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1321690808' post='2846852'] So now we have atleast three weaboo alliances?(arent AODB weaboos too?) Cant you guys merge into 1? [/quote] AOD Brigade is neither Anime themed nor a weeaboo alliance. I will not deny some of us do/have watched Anime, but then again you would be hard pressed to find any alliance that does not have at least some members who do not/have not watched Anime. Our Alliance Charter is based upon tenets of honor and integrity, even our Honor Code and Honor Court system of discipline is based more off Anglican private educational institutions than anything eastern. I'm sure we have discussed Anime in our channel over the years, but we will discuss pretty much anything that a visitor wants to discuss. From sports, to guns, to politics and beyond. Our interests are varied and wide and it is our job as hosts of a channel to entertain our guests in whatever they wish to discuss. So long as we are available of course. In any event, we would have no interest in merging with or into an Anime themed alliance.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1320015390' post='2835260'][color="#0000FF"] Additionally it really isn't much of an accomplishment to grind my own nation to dust. I have never said I was any good at war.[/color] [/quote] [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105760&view=findpost&p=2815640]Then I have to ask, were you taking notes too?[/url] [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1317702954' post='2815640'] [color="#0000FF"] And now, Legion will see how a war is properly fought. I hope they're taking notes.[/color] [/quote]

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1320001083' post='2835146'] Good move. [/quote] Oddly, I agree. But not for the same reasons you are likely thinking of. Friendship is not something that can be lost so easily. I've never liked the term "lines being drawn" because lines by their very definition serve to exclude. They take what is a gray and nebulous situation and turn it into stark black and whites. But life is about the gray. When one turns it into a black and white situation then one tends to lose perspective and understanding. We do believe that the New Sakura Order is walking a path we cannot follow or walk down with them on. Nonetheless as friends we will continue to be here if they need us. The help we can offer will be dependent upon their and our situation, but we have always been there for our friends, willing to do whatever we can. Nothing can change friendship save oneself. No matter where they go, we will always remember them for who they were. But in truth we do believe that we will be able to remember them for what they become. Just because our paths are now different does not mean their way will not lead them to strength and glory. Friendships are about trust and reliance. When one feels they cannot rely on their friends, the world becomes a cold and lonely place. Reliance on friends and faith in them is not a weakness, it is in fact a strength. For when one relies on friends and is in turn relied upon something far greater than any mere treaty is created. This may be the end of a treaty, but it is a beginning as well. No one may know the future, and one may only guess at what is to come. But the interesting thing about the future is that the possibility for greatness is always there for those with the vision, courage, and dedication to grab it. The future is always given to those that would act for others as opposed to themselves, not to those that would act out of self interest or hatred or prejudice. We and the New Sakura Order will be reaching for our own futures. In different ways and with different goals, but I believe it is always with our friends best interests at it's core. Which is why I do believe this will be a good move for both of us. It is not for so small a reason as lines being drawn or because we think we will be better without them. We may be a small alliance, but we are not so small as to be that petty.

[center][IMG]http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g374/Kellory/Cybernations/AODLogo1.jpg[/IMG][/center] The ephemeral nature of Cherry Blossoms serves to emphasize not just their beauty, but the inherent transitory nature of life. As per Article V of the New and Improved Sakura Brigade Pact, notice was given 48 hours ago via our private government channels of our intention to cancel the treaty. [QUOTE]Article V: Cancellation In the unlikely event that the two sides who have come together to make up the (New and Improved) Sakura Brigade, feel it necessary to part ways, the cancelling signatory will divide the profits of the Reward System Corporation fairly and give a 48-hour notice (relayed through private channels). Both signatories will still be considered a part of the (New and Improved) Sakura Brigade for that 48-hour period. [/QUOTE] Recent events, that is the events of the last 3 or so months, have demonstrated that our two alliances have slowly been moving in different directions. This is not a bad thing, because differences are to be respected. However, it does mean that we no longer can walk the same paths. Over the last year NsO has grown up and matured and we are confident that they will be able to take on anything that Planet Bob has to offer on their own terms. That is all. Incoming Planet Bob memes for those that care and/or insist. Reasons were given in private. We continue to remain friends. We hope the best for our friends in the New Sakura Order in the future. We continue to support the JudgeX Foundation for Old Folks. Okay the last is not a meme, it is not even real. But please show you care about Planet Bob's elderly and buy them a cane this holiday season. For the AOD Brigade, Kellory Grand Sage, Hoarder of Acorns, Procurer of Sweets, and part time Minister of Foreign Affairs for the We Are Not The Angels Of Death Brigade/Battlefront.

[quote name='BloodFury' timestamp='1319858307' post='2834197'] Why did everyone peace out with the Weeaboo's? This is sad day. [/quote] That is a little rich coming from someone in an alliance named for a political group from Mobile Suit Gundam.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1319300091' post='2830507'] What galls me is that you used to be a reasonable person. Putting "Mio" and "ignore you" into the same sentence is quite the laugh though. Frankly, there is no such thing as a peaceful negotiation when she gets involved. You know nothing about me or SOS, and when you pretend to speak for either it simply makes you look foolish. [/quote] I remain reasonable. You just do not find me so because I do not agree with your version of reality, and am willing to point out the flaws in your arguments. I did not try to speak for the SOS Brigade or you. I simply asked a question and predicted that you would choose the "neither" option. In choosing to try to shift the argument from my question to me directly you in fact choose the "neither" option. Which I of course predicted you would try to do. Which I guess means, regardless of your protestations to the opposite, I do know you a bit better than you seem to think. As for peaceful negotiation, every time SOS was forced to negotiate, peace was maintained. You can claim that this is only because you gave up something. But since none of your complaints were ever shown to be valid, and little more than blowing a small incident up into something larger, in fact the SOS Brigade did not give up anything. Just that particular excuse while a new issue was discovered. The one time peace did not prevail was when the SOS Brigade choose to skip the negotiation part and move directly to war. As the reason for that war was found to be even more lacking than previous reasons, it can only be concluded that the SOS Brigade leadership knew how weak it was and choose to simply try to force the issue. I know you've personally pointed out that by negotiation you lose the major first strike option, but that is the price for wanting a peaceful settlement. By moving directly to war that demonstrates that peace was not something that was really desired. As for looking foolish, that is largely a matter of point of view and opinion. The real question isnt whether you find me foolish or I find you foolish. It is how the rest of the world finds either of us really. For myself, I dont really care much. People are free to find me as serious or foolish as they want. Either way it helps me. If you want to talk about foolish, how serious can anyone take the statement that the SOS Brigade undertook a war that almost got them and their allies curb stomped to gain a document that maintained the status quo of no official contact which had already existed for most of the existence of NsO. The only thing symbolic I saw out of that was that NsO was willing to take their losses so that their allies would not have to fight a war, even if it was going to be one they would win. I do find it odd that here you are watching your former alliance get shredded, in part because of your actions, and yet you are trying to defend those actions rather than trying to help make peace as atonement for your part in all of this. But I guess that would require you to believe you actually did something wrong. Have fun watching your former alliance burn though. I'm sure your posts of how it is all a lie and the righteousness of your struggles for them against the insurmountable odds of the hatred NsO and the rest of Planet Bob will help fuel their passion and make their curb stomp all the more palatable to take.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1319189575' post='2829866'] It had nothing to do with who attacked who or second thoughts of any kind. The war was simply a symbol that we did not intend to allow NsO to continue to provoke us, and to get a signed document binding them to that at threat of further punishment or war. Should it have been violated the next movement would have been more clear cut and less of a symbol. Arrnea had some more stringent and tangible terms in mind, but he deferred to my plan when he saw how far that idea was getting in negotiations. [/quote] The only provocation between the SOS Brigade and NsO has come from the SOS Brigade. Pretty much every confrontation has been at the instigation of the SOS Brigade. And you are still holding to that story? Before the SOS-NsO war there had not been any official contact between the SOS Brigade and the NsO since that whole stupid Facebook incident that Arrnea blew totally out of proportion. So basically you went to war and almost got yourself and your allies rolled for a document that reiterated the status quo. And you call that getting what you wanted? We're supposed to accept that you went to war to get something that already existed and that is a victory for SOS? That is not even symbolic. It's just kinda...yeah. You got that document because it cost NsO nothing and it gave you at least a threadbare excuse of something. As for trying to bypass the whole war, it is rather difficult to bypass it when you do not even talk to either the involved party or their protector or their allies. I know you'll probably pull the whole "If we talked to them they'd have gone to peace mode" line again. And maybe so. But by not even talking to them you pretty much preclude bypassing the war, so you should not even try to claim that really. The purpose of negotiation is compromise. And a good compromise always leaves both sides feeling a bit unhappy. But then again SOS is not about compromise is it? It is always about what you wanted and thus everything has to be a victory. Even in something like this you have to try to spin victory. I love the spin Locke, but I doubt anyone would buy it. All they have to do is look at every SOS-NsO thread and in each case it is SOS trying to provoke NsO or screaming about some perceived insult or hurt and blowing things out of proportion. Like how upset you got when our treaty with NsO contained a dozen or so words from a defunct treaty you wrote a year or so previously. Just out of curiosity, what galls you more? The fact you were never able to destroy NsO, or the fact that at least under Mio they were perfectly happy to ignore you when they could and never really cared much about you? Yeah, I know you'll probably say neither since clearly NsO was such a small issue to you. Which of course is why you always fixated on them in a thread that contained them in any form. But hey, maybe you'll surprise me.

[quote name='Ellis' timestamp='1319170498' post='2829715'] At the time, with the information SOS gave us, they were firmly in the right, and we trusted Arrnea on that. [/quote] I'm not sure what disturbs me more about this statement. The fact that Invicta did not even check up on the facts of the war with SOS-NsO before declaring their support, or the admission that Invicta got completely played by Arrnea. I mean did you just admit to being used like a pawn by Arrnea? Seriously? My point, however, remains that in both cases Arrnea pulled a rather bad stunt. I do not see how you can point a finger at one incident and say it was okay, but say another was not. SOS was attacked out of the blue by NG. Whether you are happy or not with Arrnea has little to do with it. Invicta's treaty is not with Arrnea, it is with the SOS Brigade. If you were willing to stand with the SOS Brigade when fed bad info you didnt even check up on when you only had an ODP, why not also support your ODP ally when they are attacked out of the blue for a reason that does not amount to much more than "we do not like you?". It seems rather inconsistent. Please note, unlike others here I am not saying Invicta should go to war here. Nor am I trying to critique decisions and polcies held by Invicta. All I am saying is that it is inconsistent to support one war and not the other and try to blame it on someone else. This isnt about Arrnea, it is about Invicta and why you did not issue a Declaration of Support for the SOS Brigade when they were clearly attacked, and yet you were willing to do so without even fact checking when SOS attacked NsO when they were tied to you via TPF and us. Invicta was prepared to accept blindly the word of the SOS Brigade which was an ODP ally at the time and risk a treaty conflict with another ODP partner when SOS launched an aggressive war, but you did not even offer that same Declaration of Support to the SOS Brigade now when they are actually attacked for no reason?