Banedon

Terrible for surviving this long, I think I've heard that before... It's an old hat. People have been saying Legion was terrible for ages. "We should have disbanded." "You're a pitiful shell of yourselves." Accepting temporary weakness to gather strength and throw off your shackles, is not weakness. It is Wisdom. To not only survive, but thrive is the ultimate defiance when the powers of the world want you dead.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1343907419' post='3017813'] Just trying to make sure I understand correctly, your terms to Legion are 1 round of war with their upper tiers and a surrender?And they rejected that? Wow. That doesn't sound like the Legion I remember dealing with who were, despite their faults, fairly reasonable. [/quote] I'm not in the negotiating room, but Legion has been fighting with ODN just fine this whole war. I have no problem smashing a few more oranges if that's what they want. Most of our current top tier is in PM for one reason or another, and those nations used to be in our middle tier at the start of this war. The only reason they are currently the top tier is that everyone ahead of them has been smashed down. If ODN thinks we're going to somehow force our minimally active nations to just sit there and be destroyed for their enjoyment they're a lot less reasonable and much more stupid then I've given them credit for.

Tetris, did you learn nothing from our last meeting? I thought you were smarter then this.

Ave CCC! Ave Legio! o7

Dear merciful Admin. To our allies and supporters: Thank you. To Tetris and company: You fought hard, you supported your allies, time to get ready for the next party. To our detractors: We love you too. And now that everything that's needed to be said has been said, can we please close this thread before we have another 60-page train wreck?

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1320446703' post='2838877'] Our ODP partner has suffered well beyond what it deserved...[/quote] The thing is WC, Legion agrees with this assessment. Tetris did the crime and they've taken their punishment. Legion's ready to let Tetris go clean themselves up. We're ready to let the Sith do that as well, we just want them to admit they got beat first, instead of pay a king's ransom. If you want Tetris out of the fighting then help in the peace talks, or get NSO to acknowledge reality. All this does is save the NSO since they're all so weak you can't hit them, or they're in PM, or their slots are taken up by Legion nations. So the only people you're going to hit is Legion. If you want us that badly, just declare directly and kick off this grand global war you've all been wanting.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1320166127' post='2836498'] We declared in defense of our ally, thus putting us on the defensive side. And why should we give you anything? [/quote] Your ally transgressed upon our sovereignty, we responded. In our eyes, that makes your war aggressive, not defensive. However that's not the point. NSO don't have to give Legion anything. It would just be extremely wise of you to accept reality. If you don't, we'll just keep grinding away until you finally fact facts, or there's nothing left to grind.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1320164019' post='2836490'] ...All that'll be left is an aggressive war being fought against the Sith by the Legion...[/quote] We declared on Tetris, after they posted spied screenshots of private sections of our forums. NSO declared on Legion, remember? The only thing keeping the Sith at war with the Legion is your own pride and arrogance.

As the official Legion ambassador to FARK, I welcome the new government. Your erections are always random, drunk, and funny. A fine example to us all.

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1320139024' post='2836367'] ...I know NSO very well having been allies and talking to them a lot on a personal level. They are never going to cop to Legion's simple demands regardless of how true it is now or eventually probably will be if things stayed as they are. Why? They just will never give Legion the satisfaction. That is how they roll..[/quote] From what I've read on the boards and heard from the negotiation room, Tetris is ready to end this. They've taken their punishment, they've admitted their mistakes, and they are ready to move on. They deserve better then this. If the Sith don't want to surrender that's their issue, but it's killing Tetris. That single, simple term isn't going to go away. Legion isn't going to give NSO the opportunity to somehow spin this war as a victory. NSO will admit defeat before the fighting is over, simple as that. Legion will keep pounding on the Sith until they either acknowledge reality and admit defeat, or until the Sith evaporate into nothing. If that means months of war, so be it.

Farewell IAA. Though I never crossed swords with you in this last war, I heard some good things from those that did.

[quote name='MisterShadow' timestamp='1320086768' post='2835878'] So I would like to sum up some of this thread is possible. -Legion, BTA, NsO, IAA agree to white peace -NSO (well RV) calls BTA and IAA completely worthless -Tetris has been respectful to most (good show) -NSO says they wont admit defeat because they are doing just as much damage as Legion is doing to them by taking the sum of all Legion damages and saying it is equal (despite the performance of the other 4 alliances that were/are at war) -NSO says they can always call in allies, which some say would be a hilarious PR loss because they waited this long -A good majority of other alliances not involved think that NSO has been defeated and should just man up and admit because in the future who wants to be allied to an alliance where your choices are (1. Come in and save their ass after a month of fighting 2. Be called a worthless ally because they werent in with them until the end or 3. Eternal war. -Krunk and RV are asked where they get their supply [/quote] 46 pages distilled into 10 lines. Brings a tear to my eye, that's how beautiful this is. /golf clap /disappears in a puff of logic

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1320077274' post='2835722'] [color="#008000"]If NSO aggressively attacked Legion, where are Legions allies pouncing on their mutual defense clauses? What? You mean Legion's war was a war of aggression (Warranted or not, they are the aggressors)? Well shoot, that throws your theory of Legion being aggressively attacked by our alliance out the window. NSO attacked Legion because Legion attacked Tetris. That's what a MDP is. "If you attack this alliance, then we will attack you in defense."[/color] [color="#008000"]NSO knows when she has been defeated, and it is surely not now. She has faced much greater odds than this and lost NS at the same rate plenty of times.[/color] [/quote] Your first point was covered 2 weeks ago, and talked to death then. Please do find a new talking point. To re-iterate, Legion has not asked our allies to come in, so therefore they have not. Your second point is correct. Your third point, Legion asks no reps, no punitive measures, and no lulz conditions. If your Sith pride cannot handle surrendering to an alliance that you mocked and derided for months on end that is your problem. Legion gov is letting you and Tetris off extraordinarily lightly, we only require you to temporarily acknowledge reality, and then you can go back to doing whatever Sith do. If that is beyond your ability that is your problem. This war will end 3 ways: 1. The Sith publicly admit defeat, and surrender with no additional requirements. 2. The Sith publicly admit they're all talk, no substance by calling in their allies. 3. The Sith fight a losing battle as Legion breaks them apart and destroys them utterly. I'm partial to option 1 or option 3. TL;DR Bend your knee NSO, or we will break you over ours.

Me likey!

If RV or Krunk spin any harder or faster, they're going to start generating electric current.

What a wonderful war. Three combatants down, two to go. The whining and bawwing by the Sith gives me great pleasure. My goals are simple, to drive the enemy from the field and hear the lamentations of their women! Forward Legion, to victory, and glory! Ave Legio!

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319833756' post='2833904'] Legion Across the entire war - 2m NS lost NSO across the entire war - 1.5m NS Lost Yeah, Legion is ripping NSO a new one alright. Going by percentages is decieving for one reason: It only works well as a comparative statistic if both sides started at the same NS. [/quote] You can move goal posts with the best of them Krunk. We ripped over 55% of the NS off the entire coalition while losing just under 40% ourselves. Percentages are relative. Now that the coalition has dissolved, and Tetris is a broken, bleeding, lump on the floor, you're hooting about absolute NS losses. If you want absolutes, your coalition went from having 700K NS over Legion to Legion being 100K NS over your coalition. In the final analysis, the losses won't matter. You will admit defeat or be destroyed.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319833552' post='2833899'] [color="#0000FF"]Only a fool would presume that he could destroy NSO. NSO is immortal. NSO transcends this world. We shall only ascend to greater glory.[/color] [/quote] Whatever you're smoking, I want some.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319831801' post='2833855'] [color="#0000FF"]First, neither NSO nor Tetris spied on Legion. Nothing has been proved. It is all fantasy by Legion. Secondly, Legion is in no position to demand anything. This war is not being won by Legion, regardless of how they might spin it.[/color] [/quote] First, you're right about the spying, we have no definitive proof NSO did anything. I assume you were asked for your sources by Legion gov, but I never got any attack orders so I assume you never gave them up. We know you actively spied us, organized other to do likewise, and posted it all on the OWF. Other then the posting we can't prove a thing. Doesn't mean we're not pissed at you, and won't take the opportunity of you declaring on us to rip you apart. Second, you're wrong about Legion. All that's required is for you to admit your defeat. Legion still stands strong, your coalition has left the field. NSO has lost, time to admit it. We don't want reps, just your surrender. If your pride will not allow you to admit your defeat then our arms will hack you apart until there is nothing of the NSO left. We would be doing the world a favor.

[quote name='TRON IX' timestamp='1319827311' post='2833775'] Interesting.. so IAA, BTA and NsO came in on treaties and were granted WP. That's a good show. NSO also came in on a treaty, but they don't get the same offer? Care to explain the difference? [/quote] I'm not involved in the negotiations however I have a theory or two. First, NSO isn't likely to surrender at all, reps or no reps. Simply acknowledging they lost to an alliance they've spent the last 6 months trashing would be too much to handle. They simply have to much arrogance and pride. Second, NSO has spent the last 6 months tearing into us at every turn. The collective rage and anger Legion possesses for NSO takes us beyond mere 'disgust'. In my opinion, this is a grudge match. It's not over until one of us dies. It's not going to be us, and they claim it's not going to be them. So I guess for the next 6 months or a year we'll be throwing CMs, Nukes, air strikes, navies, and ground attacks at each other. Eventually one side will simply be deleted out of existance. Finally, we can't prove anything, but we know NSO was behind the rampant spying that took place against Legion months ago. We didn't pummel NSO then, but now works just fine. I have no idea if our gov is pressing them for reps, or offering white peace. I don't care if NSO accepts terms or not. I want NSO to burn, and if we can burn them out of existence then so much the better.

Personally, the tag line I thought of was: "Legion goes cruising, runs into some Friends" But I suppose Kzopp's tag line works too. /Ave Legio!

/Ave Legio!

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1319724341' post='2832982'] Careful, not all of us are Casper's. [/quote] You're going as Slimer? Who's Venkman? Is it a group costume?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319512851' post='2831918'] [color="#0000FF"]NSO has never committed aggressive acts. I ask that you refrain from slandering the good name of the Sith.[/color] [/quote] I believe that spying on another AA en masse, and then penetrating and posting screenshots from that same AA's private forums would be considered aggressive. I believe that most of the rest of the nations of Digiterra would agree. And I believe that members of Tetris and NSO government have admitted, supported, or been implicated in such acts. So yes, you've committed aggressive acts, and are being justly rewarded. The Sith do not have a good name, and all you spew is slander. Once we're finished with you, the only name you'll be known by is 'Slag'. Now sit down, shut up, and take your punishment. Or tap out, your call.

I'm pretty sure he's the conductor/engineer of this train wreck. NSO thinks their winning, Legion thinks their winning. I guess we'll go into round 3 and see if anyone taps out then.