alpreb

Been buying to 1k infra and .5k tech for a week now and I think it will take a while before I tire of it. It's not like it is a lot of maintenance. The lowest tier is not filled with nations with MP, SDI, CIA, WRC +500 million war chests etc. when you're on the winning side of the war. From what I can see, those without nukes are getting stomped by me and even them with nukes have some 100 mill. in the bank which I can easily halve in a week of warfare. I honestly don't know how many of those nations they have around, I guess we will see. Ashoka. I have been part of TOP for 3.5 years and it is the only reason my nation exists. Should this war continue past TOPs 4 year anniversary I won't start fleeing my home.

[quote name='Vladimir Stukov II' date='10 February 2010 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1265827378' post='2172890'] Thank you for attacking our ghosts btw. Hopefully they will leave our AA. [/quote] I was going to say that, but you came first Thank you AAB (or is it tAoAB?) for being a solution to an issue we cannot solve ourselves.

[quote name='Prime minister Johns' date='07 February 2010 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1265559382' post='2166887'] The whole IC went out the window with me when I got hate mail from this game in my work e-mail account during the karma war. I take everything seriously now because I can't be sure who is and is not joking. [/quote] That's the greatest honour a griefer can ever achieve. It's actually quite difficult to do, so congrats from me to create that kind of tears.

[quote name='Steelrat' date='07 February 2010 - 02:52 PM' timestamp='1265550725' post='2166762'] I think you missed one, maybe because he is not in a common bigger alliance. [url="http://www.cybernations.net/stats_awards.asp"]http://www.cybernations.net/stats_awards.asp[/url] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=15348"]http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=15348[/url] I would have missed him too but i fight him with others right now. [/quote] UE stats only covers alliances and it's members with more than 20 members so the unaligned or just small alliances will not be included.

[quote name='MaGneT' date='06 February 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1265495259' post='2165215'] Here's an example. When I'm IC, I'm a complete caustic jackass who jumps down the throat of anyone who criticizes myself, my alliance, or our allies. When I'm OOC, and someone is talking to me about my posts, I'll call my character a jackass. Or when I'm IC, and someone nukes me, I say "I'll nuke you back. When I'm OOC, I say "thanks for the casualties. Make sense? [/quote] Sounds a bit too hard. It's often hard to perceive roleplay on the net, unless you literally colour your roleplay messages.

I am pleased that the diaf vote is winning. I didn't read the topic, nor the posts, but diaf option must win

WARNING, SEIZURE INDUCING IMAGE: http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee63/alpreb/myeyes.gif TOP’s official war flag, causing headaches to friend and foe alike War at last. This will be an interesting conflict. Not since the 2nd Great War have we participated on a fight were the result was not truly in our favour. Fighting outnumbered and outgunned is something I have longed for to experience. We have expected this since times memorable that I’m still surprised it did happen. We have built our castles, sharpened our iron, trained or archers for what seem like an eternity for this war. We are ready. We were always ready. This is the chance to show the cyberverse that we are some of the finest rulers of war and we will not disappoint ourselves. Our allies rely on us. If we crumble, the war is lost. If we prevail, we will win. It is funny how fate turns around at times. I see several of those who will help me in this as people I fought in earlier wars. But honestly, the past has always been the past and we tend to forgive those who lost at our hands. I can only hope that some have prepared better today than when we met you since not all were all that impressive. For those who will attack us, I hope you are prepared. If we must trade our nations to see the destructions of yours, we will not hesitate. We do not need to win, stalemate is an acceptable result of this war. While we take any attack lightly and with greetings, but do not attempt to push us too far if the tables turn in this conflict. Our wrath is a cold one and this conflict might extent it all a bit longer than you will wish. That said, our vengeance will not be done when peace is concluded. When it’s all over the slate is clean and only fond memories will remain. If The Grämlins of old convinced us of anything, then it was the detrimental effect of punishing surrender terms. A shoutout to umbrella. I know this will change nothing but I hope you will come out of this alright. We will attempt to help you, but if war in this world has taught me anything, the moment you become the “enemy” it gets near impossible. While my heart hopes we can see eye to eye after this, my guts tell me otherwise. To my friends and allies, may luck be with you and your fighting spirit be high To my enemies To my alliance in hoc signo vinces Now let’s loose the dogs of war and blow some !@#$ up. alpreb, High Champion and Historian of the Order of the Paradox

Quite the contrary it will be pleasant. In WotC my first target was a completely inactive Polar nation. 2nd target (George The Great ruler of Realm of Rohan?) told me he wouldn't use nukes on me at all (did send 1 at the last day, :SDI:) and conventionally fighting someone outnumbered 5-1 really doesn't make for a fight. Karma War I got to fight Irishwolf from BAPS and he fought back, nuked and actually wanted to talk a bit. It was great fun for all parties involved. It is 100 times better fight against someone who fight back and and is chatty than fighting bags of potatoes or boring opponents. I hope FARK will enjoy their engagement with BAPS, since BAPS certainly will (completely irrespective of the result of this engagement). also o/ Atari Jaguar

Good Luck on your campaign

Quite a member he was.

You're playing at high stakes Polaris. You have my respect for this insane move and it will be interesting to see if it pays off.

People are probably just looking at the NS of both sides on CNwiki. From that aspect AEGIS / Flatlanders could have won given the tiny NS advantage. The truth is of course far more stacked towards The Initiative.

Wouldn't mind. More targets to me (B and , may I add, reacting on out-of-context irc quotes is beyond silly.

First off, I'm not Gov. and don't plan to be it. Take it all with a grain of salt and popcorn 1. Offensive Nuclear Policy? Depends on who we are fighting and what objective we want to achieve in said war. We will use nukes when we feel it is necessary, but wall also offer a conventional war if it suits our goals. 2. Defensive Nuclear Policy? Same as above, but let me add that we have plenty of nukes. You are warned 3. Does your alliance endorse tech raiding? Nope and never did. 4. (Answer to #3) Why? There was a discussion I would guess between GWII and GWIII about tech raiding but general consensus was that it posed no gain in terms of nation growth but potential of actual losses. Moreover it could escalate into larger conflict and add more work for our somewhat understaffed government (at least compared to today.) 5. Why did your alliance choose your color? Orange wasn't de-facto under control of a single alliance which meant that we had hopes to gain a senate seat. It wasn't unfeasible to have 3 senators against you and 15 sanctions in mid 2006 on a 100 man alliance would seriously cripple our defensive capabilities. It has always been one of the better trading spheres too. 6. Are NAPs useless? We cancelled all NAPs, so yeah. 7. Do you believe in MADPs? (Meaning, why not just have MDoAPS just in case if you do not believe in the cause) No I don't. Treaties are tradeoffs. Fx a NAP protect you from aggression from one side, but on the other hand you can't attack them either. MADP gives you an ally no matter what, but you're also forced to join on your partners campaign. If such a treaty is desired, it really needs a real objective behind it and not "We're friends" since the sovereignty loss on the world scene is diminished and can have serious consequences. MADPs by definition overrides our charter and that has implication in and off itself. 8. Do you believe in the use of sanctioning during war? Nope. It's a hassle for those who loses trade circles. Orange has a lot of intertwined trade circles so a sanction will hit any and all factions. The advantage of sanctioning is also minuscule looking from the bigger nation perspective. 9. Can you provide me a link to your flag? Fullsize - Link Treaty Announcement - Link Cyber Nations flag - Link 11. What small alliances do you feel will be major political players in the long run? Since small isn't properly defined I cannot give an accurate answer to this question. 12. Do you consider TDO neutral? No idea. 14. Current recruitment? (Open-door? Applicant interviews? Invite-only?) Applicant Interview 15. Does your alliance believe in preemptive strikes? Huh? If war is not avoidable and it is to our advantage to attack "them" sooner rather than later, off course I believe in pre-emptive strike. I do think that a defensive action has it's own merits 16. Current view concerning NPO? Opinions vary but mostly negative. We have talked at length with NPO and I don't really feel it necessary to convey those discussion to the world. 17. Who are the alliances you are closest to who you do not have a treaty with? Beats me. We tend to favour treaties with those we like so I don't think I know any. 18. Do you believe/support in NPO's Revenge Doctrine? Seemed counter-productive for trades, but a secured senate was important years ago, so do understand it. Protecting unaligned was nice of them. 19. Rate 1-5 (1 being lowest) for which how well your alliance has each of the following: Military, diplomacy, economical, internal organization, stability. 5,5,5,5,5 TOPs perfect 21. What are your alliance's strengths? Let me just quote myself from a place unrelated to this world :Attentionwhore: 22. What are your alliance's weaknesses? Hard to tell. There are some buttons you can push to make us angry and I don't think we will ever learn to to properly defend against it. Going by our allies we are a bit too paranoid but there is also strength in that. 23. What alliances do typically the majority of your alliance descend from? It descent from another world, but the current makeup is from many alliances around planet Bob 25. Alliance A declare war on Alliance B. You have MADPs with both. Morally, you agree with Alliance A and feel they have a good enough reason for attacking alliance B, how do you go about handling this situation? We don't sign MADPs because of that specific scenario. If TOP should choose to have such a treaty it will specifically exempt our allies from aggression and we would defend alliance B. 26. Do you believe in Perma-ZI? If the crime committed it vile enough, yes. 27. An alliance called The Fookheads has a MADP with The Asgards. The Asgards decide to declare war on an alliance called Icantbelieveitsnotbutter alliance. Asgards reasoning for attacking is simply because they want dominant control over the silver senate, and they feel this is the only way possible. The Fookheads, whom have an MADP with The Asgards, feel the reasoning is both unethical and illogical, thus canceling their MADP. Are The Fookheads dishonorable for standing up for what they believe in and canceling the MADP? Of course they are. You should follow your treaties to the letter, else it's just paper. 30. Thoughts concerning... 30.1 ...Citadel? Yeah I like them. 30.2 ...Frostbite? Would personally like to see them on the battlefield as a study in nation building, but really a bit neutral about the bloc. 30.3 ...Superfriends? Alright I guess. Some I like, some I don't. 30.4 ...Complaints and Greviances? As a member from MK said about us (roughly) : Can't believe a crappy bloc has that many excellent members (nations). 30.5 ...Common Defense Treaty? Who? Sorry, it just fails me. 33. Do you ever censor your members? On these boards: Yes. Certain topics cannot be saved and asking members to stay away happens. In Private: Never and the few times gov. tried to, massive incident 34. Are coups ever justifiable? Of course they are. 36. I respectively tell you I dislike your alliance, I feel your leaders are disrespectful who feed on power and power only. I also state I feel the general membership has no respect and constantly flame. What would your response/actions be? I know better than you do about the ongoings of my alliance and it's policies and generally agree with them. If you dissagree I cannot do much to change your opinion. 38. State the results of any wars you have been in. GWII - Won GWIII - Won CEN War - Won FAN War - Guess we won, but sadly didn't fight. GPA War - Won WotC - Won Freak Safari War - Won but somewhat pyrrhic victory. Karma War - Won 44. Your members wish for a new government, they don't like it and feel a different kind would be better. What do you do? We have elections each 2nd month. We have plenty of new government so this is rarely an issue. 45. What traits make a good alliance? A place people want to be. 46. Current Government type? Representative Democracy I guess. 47. What are your alliance's ideals? To follow the charter. I really don't know unless I should repeat myself from earlier. 48. Did you support GGA's doctrine concerning the Green team, stating an alliance needs permission from the to form on GGA and no alliances other than GPA can vote for senate? If a senator from any other team has more than 20+ votes, they will be attacked. I don't think anyone wants to form and alliance on Grand Global Alliance, but that policy was stupid. It essentially killed the largest trading sphere in the game for only small gains. 49. Do you believe in moral police? Cyber Nation Anti Rogue Force (CNARF)? I don't think there is a moral police. At least not one with enough power to enforce it's morals. 50. What treaties do you have? Blocs: Citadel Mutual Defense and Optional Aggression Pacts AO | Ag | FOK! | IRON | MHA | OMFG | OG | TSO | Umb Mutual Defense Pacts Grämlins | Kronos Protectorates FACE | VOC | Erebus Optional Defense Pacts FCC | OBR | tF 55. Do you feel you will ever be sanctioned? I know we are sanctioned. 56. How many members must be in an alliance before you consider them an actual alliance? 1? 5? 10? 20? 30+? If they actually consider themselves/self an alliance they are. 60. Age range most of your members are? 20 +- a few years 61. Where do most of your members live? US, Northern Europe 62. What crisis's have your alliance overcome? CEN crisis The Nation ID debacle UJW Karma War 63. (#62) Did you become weaker or stronger because of them? Stronger in all of them no doubt about that. 64. What were some of the most important steps your alliance have made in its history? Signing an MDP with NPO. Not only did it mark our renouncement of neutrality it also planted our foot on the WUT sides of things. Formation of the Heptagon MDP with FOK MDP with Grämlins Citadel Continuum Leaving Continuum 66. What are your alliance's plans internally for the future? Ask our Grand Hospitaller 67. What are your alliance's plans externally for the future? Ask our Grand Chancellor 68. GPA wants a MDP, do you accept? We don't know them so nope. 69. The Hydra Clan enter a war you do not agree with, you have a MADP with them. You are seriously against it and it is against your morals, though, if you do not comply, you can be seen as traitors. What do you do? Then Traitor it is. We have been called many things in the last many years and as long as we feel we are doing the right thing, then we don't care for the peanut gallery. 70. What is honor? How is an alliance honorable, what makes an alliance honorable, and what makes an alliance dishonorable in your opinion? Honour is keeping what you promise 71. A GOONS member flames you, and you respond back, publicly, with harsh words as well. Who is wrong? Post in "Walker Ninja Trolls" next time you dimwit. Next question. 73. What is more beneficial in the long run, diplomacy or war experience? Diplomacy. The initial war experience is important so you realise that only proper built nations will last in a war and unprepared are a liability to the war effort. Else diplomacy. 75. Which alliances would you sign an MDP with if you had free choice? Fark 76. What makes a effective fighting alliance? Active membership and milcom that can coordinate priority targets to the correct nations. 77. In a war against a much bigger opponent against who you could not win, would you use the alliance nukes to go down fighting (to take as many of them down with us as possible - FAN style) or disband the alliance? We plan on outlasting anyone and everyone should that war come. White peace is the mildest term we will accept. The Order of the Paradox will fight until that objective is achieved. 78. Might makes right. True or false? True, but The quill is stronger than the sword. 79. About the Unjust War: which side do you think was in the right, if either, and are you happy with the result? As all Major wars in CN they are built around !@#$%^&*. Both sides claim innocence and I don't give much to who is right. 80. Do you think that CN politics and diplomacy bear much of a similarity to diplomacy in real life? How are they similar or different, and why do you think this is? Does the diplomacy of CN more closely resemble that of any particular time period in human history, and would you change anything about the way it is generally conducted? :Ignore: 81. Does the majority of your alliance sell tech or buy tech? For what price? Buy 3 million for 100 tech. 82. Does the majority of your alliance buy donations or sell tech? For what price? No idea. 83. What was the cause of the Unjust War? (note: not the actual casus belli but the wider interrelation) Certain people wanted war and war it was. 84. Do you have any ideas about where the next major tension or war might be? I wish but I don't. Hope it will be fun. 85. What do you think the effect of an alliance sanction is? Is it a good thing or a bad thing for most alliances? Bad. Makes people all fuzzy and think themselves all powerful. Ally Sanction means nothing and is a horrible measure of power. Before TOP was sanctioned we could have kicked the crap out of many of them (The Grämlins ditto) 90. Would your alliance ever spy on an alliance if you felt threatened? (Not in-game spying) No. If TOP has a weakness it's the complete lack of counter intelligence ie spies in foreign alliances. 91. The Fookheads have a NAP with TheMenHuggers. You have a MADP with The Fookheads, who break their NAP and attack TheMenHuggers. What do you do? Their issue, but I think we will sternly warn any to attack Fookhards. 93. You send a member 15 Million Aid. 2 weeks later, the member leaves. Do you make the member pay 15 Million back? Or more? He pays 30 million. We had that issue in 2007 and we do not look kindly upon people taking our investment although it is stange he only accepted 15 million in aid. 94. Is there such thing as respectful freedom of speech over the CN forums? Yes 95. Should an entire alliance pay the price for one member's actions? (Non-government) No 96. Should an entire alliance pay the price for one member's actions? (Government) Yes 97. Quality or Quantity? Quality 98. The Fookheads, who you have a MADP with, are forced to cancel all treaties to avoid war with the ILovePooNuggets Alliance. The ILovePooNuggets alliance finds a questionable cassus belli, do you help your ally even though they were forced to cancel the treaty? That event has no precendent. It would require a healthy debate to find out what consensus TOP's Grand Assembly is. 99. Will alliances like NADC/WTF ever do anything? Are they isolationists? They are isolationists and will most likely not do much. They are likely paper tigers anyways, so who cares? 100. Your member sends aid to Mangina, who is on NPO's ZI list. (Not really, theoretical situation), who they never announced. There was no way for your alliance to know Mangina was on the list. NPO then attacks your member's nation. How do you handle this situation? What if it leads to a potential war, what will you do? First, if he was on NPO ZI he should have been at war with NPO and the TOP member just broke our charter. Else it's a funny way of ZI'ing people (spy attack maybe?) Else, people are nice enough to ask us first if they can attack people wearing "The Order of the Paradox". The scenario as portrayed has never happened and I doubt it ever will.

I seemingly forgot to ask this earlier, but would it be possible to get "Alliance WRC/SDI/Manhattan" next to the average numbers of these wonders?