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[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='12 February 2010 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1265956930' post='2177162'] That would just make a terrible looking sig... [/quote] Also a more accurate one...but form what I have seen out of Sparta in this thread that isn't exactly their style.

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='12 February 2010 - 12:36 AM' timestamp='1265956597' post='2177144'] Goodness gracious, okay first off go to the channel listed in it. Second off, you're sadly mistaken if you seriously think I have the time or want to become Legion's viceroy. [/quote] So are you saying that everyone on the these forums should be well informed of an INSIDE joke? Why don't you also put the meaning of the joke in you signature so such misunderstandings won't happen?

[quote name='joracy' date='12 February 2010 - 12:35 AM' timestamp='1265956511' post='2177137'] I am not talking about the logs with Hubb. Thats why I said Imperial. [/quote] Once again Joracy, please educate us. Show the logs you speak of to your audience.

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='12 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1265956368' post='2177127'] No what you don't understand is what happened in #legion. I'm sorry you're not included in an inside joke that happened last night. Ask your superiors, maybe they'll glean some knowledge on you. [/quote] Please tell me what someone is supposed to take from your well displayed signature?

[quote name='joracy' date='12 February 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1265956203' post='2177115'] You are missing the talks with Imperial, and Legions government inability to communicate. Those are kinda key. [/quote] Please show us then. please.

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='12 February 2010 - 12:24 AM' timestamp='1265955891' post='2177099'] You have no idea what my sig actually means. Please try to educate yourself before attempting any further assumptions. [/quote] Me=viceroy? The Legion's flag? No I am pretty sure I understand the implications. I am actually sure that a 7th grader would understand the implications. Maybe you are the only one who doesn't understand the implications.

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='12 February 2010 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1265955637' post='2177086'] Yes, how very terrible of us to not allow Legion rejoin the war. See I know see the problem Karma started was people finding a way to !@#$%* about every little thing whether they actually care or not. Yes, also please show me where we officially declared we would try and disband Legion. Quite honestly, you have no idea what you're even speaking about. We aren't upset because they won't peace. We're upset because a government member of theirs came up to us apparently lying. [/quote] your sig speaks volumes to the point you are trying to make. Goode show, old bean, good show.

[quote name='wandmdave' date='12 February 2010 - 12:17 AM' timestamp='1265955428' post='2177078'] Merely pointing out yet another inconsistency from your gov, but don't let me distract you from your delusions. [/quote] Dilusions? Once again I ask you to point me to a log where Hubb actually accepts your terms please. Your government forged sigs...that isn't a delusion because that happened. Also if you read hubbs post [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80612&view=findpost&p=2177069"]here[/url] he clearly explains the discrepancy.

[quote name='wandmdave' date='12 February 2010 - 12:11 AM' timestamp='1265955076' post='2177060'] I believe it was 600mil. Obviously you have no clue what was/is going on here, and our side was foolish to think otherwise. [/quote] lol....since all the other points of argument have been roundly rejected you are now nit picking about the exorbitance of the reps you wanted. Bravo...600 million is WAY more lenient that 800 million. Good point you have there.

[quote name='pezstar' date='12 February 2010 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1265954839' post='2177042'] The only logs I've seen of the conversation don't have Sparta offering white peace. The peace offered in those logs have Sparta offering peace contingent on an agreeing not to reenter the war. That's a term, and is therefore not white peace. I read the log as Hubb trying to clarify that point with Sparta, and you guys misunderstanding that. Legion says they didn't agree. You can't provide logs proving they did. You provided easily misunderstood logs, after which Hubb himself stated he wasn't agreeing to peace. So you're condemning an alliance to death for, at best a misunderstanding, and at worst because they won't agree to peace with you. The fact that you believe that your petty alliance can destroy the Legion, where others who are both larger and smarter than you have failed, speaks pages about Sparta. That you're actually planning to try over something so ridiculous speaks volumes. [/quote] Pez stop making so much damn sense....it confuses me. Thank you pezzy

[quote name='joracy' date='12 February 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1265954715' post='2177032'] And your second in command and MoFA stating that they thought you had given them orders to get peace, and the MoFA entering into negotiations to finalize the white peace came from where? Your governments failure to communicate with it's self, both in private and across the number of threads currently active, as well as it's failure to properly communicate with the alliances you were surrendering to is what caused this problem. As for all the legion members RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGING about the sigs...you guys realize you did the same thing last night right? Are you going to remove your government for being just as incompetent as Sparta? [/quote] Joracy get your facts straight. This is imperials [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80612&view=findpost&p=2176372"]post[/url] about the peace negotiations. I can't say any more than that. I am actually disappointed in you.

[quote name='LucasSnow' date='12 February 2010 - 12:00 AM' timestamp='1265954450' post='2177013'] Not for not peacing out, but for misleading us that they had, and then throwing it back in our faces and trying to put the blame on us. White peace was offered twice, it was thrown back in our faces twice. This is an insult to Sparta and they obviously don't want the peace, so we will fight. Peace will not be offered again. [/quote] please see [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80612&view=findpost&p=2177011"]this[/url] post. In no way did The Legion mislead Sparta or her allies. Never, did The Legion accept peace terms. Sparta forged signatures.

[quote name='wandmdave' date='11 February 2010 - 11:54 PM' timestamp='1265954074' post='2176985'] Something we can agree on! [/quote] Please point me to a log where Hubb said one or a rendition of the following: Hubb: I accept the terms provided Hubb: I want white peace now Hubb: I am leaving my allies in the dust and accepting terms SPARTA FORGED THE LEGION'S GOVERNMENTS SIGNATURES! How is this not being conveyed? Sparta lied! Plain and simple. How can you defend that point? Sparta put The Legion's government signature on a legal document that it did not ratify. That is a gross incompetence and, honestly, after seeing how Sparta fights a war it is an incompetence that I can wholly believe.

[quote name='LucasSnow' date='11 February 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1265953827' post='2176965'] this is a clear reply to this: While this: is a clear reply to this: Everyone in the room knew this, don't act like it wasn't the agreement after the fact. Your members vetoed you, and in failing to inform you and us of the fact, until well after, they have performed deliberate, dishonorable, and hostile acts, at a Table of Peace. Claiming peace was never had, when it clearly was, doesn't not change this fact at all. Enjoy your wars, I hope you like them, because I don't see you getting peace until long after the rest of this war has ended. You don't get terms. You fall. [/quote] How are you actually trying to keep this argument going? It has been well established that Hubb UNDERSTOOD the terms that were offered yet did not accept them. I realize you are trying to spin this but really? REALLY? He NEVER accepted them! I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

[quote name='LucasSnow' date='11 February 2010 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1265953000' post='2176872'] Comprehending the terms is one thing, but saying, and I quote, Is not a confirmation of terms, it is a clear statement. Look, your Leader accepted terms, you vetoed them and are defending your allies, good for you. But you should have notified all at the Peace talks of this before hand, that fact that you did not is a deliberately misleading and hostile action, and it will be taken as so. Period. [/quote] Lol....So you just delete the line after this and expect it to hold up. Grasping at straws, my enemy, grasping at straws.

[quote name='Trinite' date='11 February 2010 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1265952847' post='2176855'] Strange what I heard was [/quote] That clarifies absolutely nothing. He was directed to speak with you about peace, for us and ALL of our allies. What are you trying to get at?

[quote name='LucasSnow' date='11 February 2010 - 11:30 PM' timestamp='1265952609' post='2176835'] Sure; here you go: The fact is you guys didn't speak up after this and let us know it wasn't official, that a veto vote was taking place. This is [b]your mistake[/b] not our own. [/quote] What the hell does that say? That he understood what your were saying? Are you that dense as to misconstrue understanding for acceptance?

[quote name='Van Hoo III' date='11 February 2010 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1265952138' post='2176786'] We were never part of the hegemony. The individual stated that Legion does not leave friends on the battlefield when in fact you just did so last war. You surrendered one week into the war while the alliance you came in to defend stayed at war for a [b]much[/b] longer period of time. [/quote] I have thought of several different angles to approach my rebuttal of this statement. The first was saying that in our declaration that we didn't agree with the war that our allies had started in the Karma war. The second was that our allies blessed our leaving and urged it. The third was saying that you, obviously now, haven't let your prejudice of The Legion die. I finally decided to go with actions in this conflict. Our allies our still in we are still in. That is the simple fact. If you would like to debate the situation at hand i.e. Sparta jumping the gun and saying that signatures were given in this war when they weren't I would be more than happy to listen.

[quote name='Trinite' date='11 February 2010 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1265951703' post='2176742'] I'd really like to hear from Imperial on this. [/quote] Actually read the first page of the thread and you might get what you ask for.

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[quote name='Van Hoo III' date='11 February 2010 - 11:13 PM' timestamp='1265951616' post='2176735'] Buried hatchets don't mean you get to re-write history, my friend. [/quote] How, prey tell, are we trying to rewrite history?

[quote name='Van Hoo III' date='11 February 2010 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1265951438' post='2176719'] Oh stop it. If that were the case you would have fought longer than a week in the Karma War. You can disagree with Sparta and company posting this and whatnot, but don't start acting like Legion is an honorable alliance that is willing to shed all their infra for their friends ... history does not support that claim. Honestly, none of this matters anymore. Back to war you all go ... [/quote] Please don't make me dig up your own posts from the Karma war. Something about hatchets being buried...etc etc.

[quote name='wandmdave' date='11 February 2010 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1265951227' post='2176689'] Thats fine, but maybe you should have clued your Imperator in on the process, or perhaps informed anyone that those sigs were not valid. Either way it doesnt change much other than the terms down the road. [/quote] your right, don't expect us to give you white peace again.

[quote name='Hyperion321' date='11 February 2010 - 11:00 PM' timestamp='1265950801' post='2176654'] I suppose this whole argument is rather moot at this point. The war is back on. For this, there will be no white peace for you Legion. This war will be long, and for you it will be painful. Your alliance will be completely and utterly destroyed. Your tech - pillaged. Your nations - flattened. Your citizens - wiped out. We will not stop or slow down your destruction until you come to us, all together and together in agreement for once, asking for surrender. And no, you won't be able to pull this veto bullcrap again. Until you are ready to give up properly, enjoy your trip through hell. I know I will. tl;dr - You're screwed. [/quote] If we are screwed it won't be because of Sparta's military prowess. Your allies that have declared on us are by far better opponents than yourselves. Honestly you are saying it is our fault yet it was your .gov that jumped the gun? sure...why not. That makes sense in the war that is currently going on.

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