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  1. This would be interesting. Winning that fight would be pretty hollow I'd say. I can see us pulling through in several scenarios, but we should be the underdog if you put up a stiff coordinated fight. The first question though is if you'll manage that. SF has proven that we can plan a war and influence it according to our designs. I'm looking forward to you doing the same, because while I think you could potentially be much deadlier, I doubt that you could take us on right now. I'd love to see you try though. Shame it'll never happen, at least not in the 1v1 variant.
  2. [quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1308667513' post='2737257'] You have several reasons to be angry with Ragnarok, but this is not one of them. The RoK government decided to wait until after the war ended to get into that and the membership agreed. It honestly wasn't your place to come over and force the issue down their throat. Furthermore, it didn't have the desired effect. The RoK membership did indeed get angry, not at RoK government ... but at GOD. To summarize: The RoK government, as well as their membership, were perfectly content with dealing with the issue after the dust settled. Since you were not in RoK gov or even a member of the alliance, it wasn't your call. I understand that you guys were frustrated, but that was not your best idea. Edit: typo. [/quote] I can understand you not wanting to deal with the issue at the time, because a lot of things happened and I'm not even trying to advocate the invasion as the right move on our side. But you gotta understand our position too. We had been sitting there on the OWF getting smeared by Rok members who definitely didn't know what their government had actually done during the start of the war. We kept it bottled up on the big boards so as not to embarass you and waited for a while for things to settle down. But noone ever came and actually started a discussion on any of this with any of the members who took all those insults. Yes, maybe your war took precendence for you, but honestly after the first few days a war doesn't need much attention. We needed some closure on this after all the things that had already occured and when nothing happened for a month or so, someone lost it. Not the best choice maybe, but at that point we had been exspecting a clarifying statement from you for weeks. And while the way you keep your members informed of your government actions is certainly your internal prerogative, if it starts affecting your allies as it did in this case it stops being your call alone. Well no sense in crying over spilt milk anymore. Still I can't see Kaits decisions as beneficial to the SF relationship. Maybe she made the right choices for Rok in that time, but exspecting the relationships with her old allies to be just peachy after the way she handled the split seems a little naive of her.
  3. [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1308635159' post='2736897'] If you're going to come to me with "liar liar pants on fire" please be accurate with your posts. I will state that I have been completely honest about what occured between RoK and SF, you may not like the truth but wishing things had gone down differently wont make it so. RoK has moved on from SF for obvious reasons and wish you boys well. Edit: Damnit Hoo stop checking my grammar [/quote] So you did never try to hide rampage and tauts actions and we didn't have to invade your boards to get even rudimentary informations across to normal Rok members? You're just a liar and it's not worth it going into that argument any longer because everyone who counts knows this already. Maybe if you could just admit your own faults as well as Tauts we might be able to move on. But as long as you keep pushing this "We moved on and you're just butthurt" line, I doubt your insincere well wishes will make a lot of difference.
  4. [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1308598215' post='2736042'] We are all at fault for everything that Taut ever did, Bob. It doesn't matter how many times we state that we didn't agree with it or didn't even know he was doing it. Since he is gone, they must blame SOMEONE. Sadly, that will always be the rest of us. [/quote] If you think we're only blaming you for Tauts actions, and that your own actions like covering all this up for weeks even from your own membership have nothing to do with our anger, you're delusional.
  5. [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1308579991' post='2735830'] I knew this thread had real potential. I'm just upset that all the anger is directed at RoK. I'm accustomed to the butt hurt and angst being directed towards NoR. It's just not fair. Though I can't quite understand why all the resentment is bubbling up at this very moment. I could understand SF being upset with RoK leaving SF. That's certainly couldn't have been a very clean break to make considering the history there, but I don't recall this degree of outrage. I could understand being upset when RoK canceled some of their other treaties as well. Cancellations always suck and it did give notice as to a general direction RoK wanted to take their foreign affairs. But I still don't recall this degree of outrage. Maybe I'm not remembering it properly or maybe I just missed it, but where was all the outrage towards RoK previous to this bloc announcement? The foreshadowing of RoK's general FA direction was rather clear. At least it was to myself and certainly to any FA department worth a damn. Maybe you all just kept the butt hurt bottled up and this announcement released it all in one go. If that is the case, you guys need to deal with your frustration better. This just isn't healthy man. Having said that, I can understand the frustration. But the thinly veiled threats certainly strike me as rather juvenile. Mjolnir is certainly not intimidated. [/quote] I'm sorry flinders we'll try to be more hostile towards NoR in the future, but you gotta admit our hostility has long become routine and therefore a little boring. Rok on the other hand has all the spice of a new grudge not yet explored to its fullest extent. Ah the joys of new found rage. Also I hope you are not intimidated. This finally looks like it could turn into a nice opposition so please don't ruin it by getting shy now.
  6. [quote name='berbers' timestamp='1308532810' post='2735239'] I find it [i]mildly[/i] hilarious to see all these SF tears flowing Everyone has problems, you don't need to cry about them. [/quote] Actually I'm quite pleased by this newest development. It's sure to bring some tension and fun for a little while and the bloc roster reads like a to do list to me. Who could ask for more?
  7. [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1308532360' post='2735228'] So in other words no one at SF was ever formally informed by Rok that they weren't going to defend Polar, when they finally did inform you that was the case, you decided to put the "fix" in on the war for them even though the splitting of the bloc was pretty much already a foregone conclusion, and then when you decided to pressure Rok afterward about treaties they held that you didn't like (I am no stranger to that sort of pressuring...), they had already decided to pull up stakes and move on. There's salty, there's bitter, then there's whatever you are beyond that I guess. [/quote] I find it mildly ironic to see you and Rok getting along so gloriously again.
  8. [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1308531795' post='2735218'] I think the go-to-hells show just how much GOD, CSN and RIA really ever valued their relationship with Rok to begin with. [/quote] That little story by delta up there is good reading material. You should re-read it. It explains where all this anger from GOD towards Rok came.
  9. [quote name='pd73bassman' timestamp='1308529208' post='2735156'] Yeah because we know that the other SF's have always extended this same courtesy to RoK [/quote] Like when we, especially Xiph, tried protecting polar for almost a year despite having no direct tie to them, because Rok was allied to them?
  10. [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1308527649' post='2735125'] [I]Rok[/I] signed off on it. [/quote] I've been wondering if people don't know this or if they are just purposefully trying to ignore it.
  11. [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1300318209' post='2666719'] I'm just sorry this whole thread couldn't be more civil... we owe that to each other after all we have been through. Sure maybe the time has come to leave SF but that doesn't mean this whole thing isn't disapointing. [/quote] We have really tried our best and honestly with an OP like that I feel this thread is as civil as it could be.
  12. It's sad to see the player get played, Freelancer. I don't know how you can keep pointing out how experienced and oldschool you Brain people are and then go along and let yourself get fooled so easily. Anyways good luck whereever you go I always liked your shenangians.
  13. [quote name='Doitzel' timestamp='1300015392' post='2662809'] Anyway, I was going to post something topic-relevant but my tiny brain couldn't figure out that RIA announcement on this forum page. Someone said Superfriends was down two members but I took that announcement to not be serious. Which one of us has egg on his face? [/quote] Your face certainly is clean. Also even if RIA had left us there would still be three members left.
  14. [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1299636314' post='2657318'] Relax. Relax. Relax. No need for everyone to get all crazy now simply because they are talking in public. [/quote] Yeah, I think I'll bow out of this thread.
  15. [quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1299635995' post='2657312'] Do you really want to try and play that game with one of Umb's allies? [/quote] No, we don't. We don't want to see Rok treated unfairly either. So glad they aren't.
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