Dogs of War

I am willing to change to Blue and I can change my resources to Cattle/Water. PM me if you need me to join. [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=277875"]http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=277875[/url]

RoK, thanks for pushing me over 3 mil in casualties, and bringing me back down to prime raiding range. Brb, raiding none.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1293379826' post='2554397'] You're assuming you will be out of anarchy and not staggered and into peace mode to change your government to be able to engage these low tier nations? These lower tier nations don't have to engage you. As you drop in NS so will those that you are fighting. We'll just have to wait and see how these engagements go. [/quote] Yes, but that goes both ways. Those nations that we are fighting are also in nuke anarchy , so those lower tier nations [i]have to[/i] engages us, or we will slip into peace mode and re-arm.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1293375315' post='2554361'] Wars are never won because the low tiers 40k NS and below took a beating. When the 80k+ NS nations with billions for warchest begin to run low on cash, that is when the war is over and where the war is won. The low tiers are easily rebuilt from the nothing they have, your high wonder nation is not. [/quote] I think you are missing my point. Fark and International have about 1/2 of their nations at 30k or less. The majority of them do not have nukes and I assume they wont have SDI's. Once we reach their level and start engaging them with nukes. How long will they have the will to fight once they( the 30K and lower nations) realize that they dont have anything to counter us? That is when the lower tier starts to crumble. You will see nations that refuse to engage, complaining on their alliance forums that they need help or money, and start surrendering individually. Once the moral starts to fade, and alliances start having to put out the fires internally. That is when the peace talks really start.

[quote name='EViL0nE' timestamp='1293345880' post='2554204'] It's not about rankings, it's about nation growth, ability to war and effectively cause as much damage as possible. Wasting growth defending your retarded stance that caused this war is pathetic. All because NEW decided to act with total disregard for their allies. Good work. [/quote] Actually, my ability to cause as much damage as possible increases. The smaller my NS goes, the odds are better that I will battle an opponent with less wonders, ie MP,SDI,WRC,CIA. They are probably less experienced also, so they might not have learned all the tricks along way. Now that might not be as glamorous as a nation with 20k infra and 20k tech, but lets get real here. The majority of fighting goes on in the mid and lower tiers.

[quote name='EViL0nE' timestamp='1293345038' post='2554187'] 90% (or more) of the nations leaving their AAs to join NEW since the start of this war will return to their original AA at the conclusion of this war. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them never even lose their privileges (forum mask, etc) on their home AA while fighting for NEW. As for your damage being repaired, yes, it can be. However, growth on Bob is fairly linear, so any damage taken does have an affect on the nation's growth. Assuming the mumblings that NEW wants to fight this war until the nations defending DF agree to 100% white peace with no terms/apoogies/whatever, spendings several rounds outnumbered in nuclear warfare is going to severely alter a nation's growth. [/quote] And how is that so bad? Are you under the assumption that we care about our rankings? Say this war goes 2 rounds, I can rebuild to prewar infra. If this war goes longer(4-5 rounds), than I get knocked down to prime tech raiding NS. I call that a win in my book. EDIT: I can't spell tonight.

[quote name='EViL0nE' timestamp='1293343983' post='2554169'] Of course it was their individual choice.. but does it not hurt their home alliance? Do you think when this war is over and suddenly they look around going "wait a minute.. this isn't my AA" things go back to where they were pre-war? No, those nations are going to be damaged, and chances are good the damage is going to be severe. The moral of my story is simple, NEW and those that have jumped to their AA to fight are acting selfishly. They act with absolutely no regard for their allies and/or home alliances. To counter that by saying that people should just let their allies/friends burn to avoid war with selfish individuals is ridiculous at best. [/quote] Please, explain how when someone leaves an alliance that it hurts said alliance? Also, all damage that my nation takes can be repaired/replaced, so what is so severe about that?

[quote name='Xavii' timestamp='1293272945' post='2553523'] The people who left Umb, PC and so on did it for their own selfish desires. I used to call many of them friends but I can't condone this behavior. They have show total disregard for the alliances they used to call "home" and simply do what they want and not caring what they destroy in the process. Sorry guys, claim you did this to "help out friends in need" all you want, but you all know you were bored and wanted a chance at war. [/quote] Wow, sacrificing our nations for our friends is selfish. Oh well, guess I am selfish then. So, do stop being friends with everyone that leaves your alliance, or just when they do something that you don't approve of? Glad I was never your friend to begin with.

[quote name='Australian Warlord' timestamp='1293286108' post='2553567'] That is so funny, considering that NEW has brought in top tier players from other alliances, after it was the alliance that initiated this attempted raid. Seriously, do stop being hypocritical in your statements. Btw : The only reason why I'm even bothering to look at this thread is because NEW took two of WTF's members. I know what my own response would be, but that's not for me to say as I'm not responsible for my alliance's policies. [/quote] Umm, wrong. NEW hasn't brought in anyone. Have people joined NEW on their own accord, yes. And btw, those two WTF members are former PC members. But please, don't let facts get in your way.

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1293254088' post='2553327'] 01[11:34] <KingEd[TPE]> Sangar, did "NEW Govt" read the disbandment thread? [11:35] <sangar[NEW]> yes Whether they consider our obvious statements official is a crap excuse, I'm sorry. [/quote] BTW, I was just taking you up on your dare.

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1293253697' post='2553317'] [b]I DARE SOMEONE TO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL US THAT ASKING NEW TO GIVE AN APOLOGY IS ASKING TOO MUCH. BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY NOT.[/b] [/quote] I think you owe them an apology for not specifically announcing your protection of a dead alliance. How's them apples.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1293135025' post='2551852'] Paid in casualties [/quote] Sweet, glad I signed up

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1293133496' post='2551835'] A mercereary force over 1.5m NS is fighting for NEW at the moment. How many million NS will join NEW before the moral coalition start looking for more help or pressure alliances to stop nations fighting for NEW from returning home after the war? [/quote] Mercenaries? That would imply that we are being paid for our services. What is the going rate these days?

This war will be costly for everyone involved(some more that others). The difference is that NEW doesn't care, can the same be said for the others involed? Also, lets see how effect your are at filling slots once this war goes a few rounds.

[quote name='Finnish Commie' timestamp='1293124940' post='2551707'] Only problem I have with bunch of you going rogue and attacking "Fark & co" is that Fark is the one who is forced to take the heavy hits. INT and TPE lack capabilities to fight nations the size who have lately joined the war out of their own sense of pride or blood thirst. Not to mention this will just prolong the time the general NEW membership will have to fight when you keep bumping their NS with fresh troops. INT isn't going to stand down, no matter how much your kind stacks NEW's AA and I am fairly certain that goes to my compatriots at arms too. I am hopeful in the end all the rogues assisting new will get what is due to them. [/quote] Translation: We couldn't roll NEW by ourselves so we had to get help from Fark. Not to mention NEW wont roll over and play dead like we had thought.

[quote name='Anu Drake' timestamp='1293122378' post='2551689'] Which was a breakout from TPF, which was a breakout from TF! That supports the personal vendetta side of the issue. There may be a conspiracy, but I know WTF is not and would not be a part of it, just wanted to clear that up. [/quote] I know, I was just adding that he was also in PC, and not part of the shadow reinforcements.

[quote name='Anu Drake' timestamp='1293120822' post='2551665'] WTF's member was an individual that was basically continuing his personal battle against Fark left over from his TF! days. The distinguished gentleman above me from Pacifica has the correct view of the situation. If WTF were to ever get political, anything against Fark would be the last thing the alliance would do. So you can remove that data point from the conspiracy evidence. (my observations, not that of WTF) [/quote] He was also a founding member of PC

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1293074670' post='2550960'] ...with them not fully supporting NEW but then turning around and sending shadow reinforcements to hit Fark and Int. [/quote] As one of the guys that LEFT PC, I can assure you that there we are not "shadow reinforcements, so you can put the bong back in the corner. I chose to join for a few reasons: I am doing what I feel is right. I love war. I felt embarrassed at only having 1 million casualties. I want to see how far a $100 million dollar warchest will go. My nukes are getting rusty, so instead of decomming and rebuying, I am going to use.

Green, A lot of old PC'ers still feel that way. I know I do, hence why I am fighting for them now. There was quite the heated conversation on our forums about it. Whether or not more will follow our lead, who knows.

[quote name='Pomiel' timestamp='1292784566' post='2544652'] Just so NEW knows, I recognize them as a valid tech raid target because they're despicable [/quote] I'll call your bluff, I would love to to see NEW mop the floor with you.

Sounds alot like anarchy to me. If I exist only for my own sake, then I will tech raid whoever is in my range. Since everyone else exists for their own sake, their alliance mates shouldn't come to their aid because it would not benefit them to help them. Right? Why would we want wars to become less common? Wars are a driving force behind this game. Without wars we have stagnation. Defending ones allies should also be defending their interests, otherwise why are they your allies? My question to you is: Why are you in an alliance that is devoted to helping victims of tech raids? What benefit does your nation get out of helping said victims?

I am posting this for TheIcyPrince of Antarctoria