Jim Bob the Glorious

To answer your question, you weren't prepared and thought that by joining a curbstomp late with 5 times the nation strength, you'd face easy, overwhelmed, wimpy targets. More specifically, you personally were more bark than bite. You entered the war with less than 70m in warchest and found yourself completely reliant on Umbrella aid in two weeks. By the end of the third week, your aid slots were already used up with cash and you turtled. You retreated to the OWF and talked big here because you really couldn't say much on the battlefield. It's a shame you weren't more like this guy: Mr. Culkin here showed up with a warchest and tech. Chest out and mouth wide open, he ran forward into war. A total casualty virgin, I was quite happy to break that hyman for him. Sadly and like most overly excited teenagers, he burned out quickly. After 10 days, he retreated to peace mode and proceed to blow his entire warchest on infra. A true warrior, he returned to the war with no more savings and an amazing infra;tech ratio of 3 to 1. Luckily, the kindess of Umbrella was there to keep him from bill lock. Lastly, we have this fellow: Jaym is a superb human being and an all around nice guy. I really have no issue with him and if he's the face of the alliance, I understand the loyalty Dienos inspires in its friends. He was the first Deinos to declare on Fark and he happened to choose me for the honor. Like Culkin, he had a warchest and tech but also a virgin. He lasted 3 weeks before discovering himself at just under 15 million in warchest and reliant on Umbrella aid. So to answer Jake's question, Deinos was unprepared and overconfident and thats why you had issues. The stats of that war and the recovery are available in the Sanction Race thread. I think they speak for themselves. I'm confident you guys learned from it.

My name is Randomly Jim and I approve this message.

Losing an ally is always a touchy situation. It's never welcomed or seen as a victory by anyone because it represents failure. Zoom in close enough and you can always find fault in each part. Several things have changed and these two great alliances have found their once happy relationship soured. Unfortunately, this happened and each side must let things go. Credit must be given to GO and CSN for the lack of drama in this thread. Keeping things friendly should be a priority as they share so many allies and friends. Should either party need help in the future, I'm sure it would be provided in a heartbeat.

New Gov! New Targets!

[quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1340191541' post='2989932'] Technically it's our ankles, but anyhow [/quote] Technically you don't have ankles, but anyhoo

Needs more Tums.

[quote name='Epiphanus' timestamp='1286768408' post='2481089'] While this doesn't change the stagnation, I look forward to seeing whoever wins. [/quote] If this goes well, expect more of these. Bigger, better, and more pointless.

Good evening, We, the 10 alliances of 10.10.10, have gathered together to fight the single greatest threat to Bob. This growing menace, created by the tangled web, controlled by the treaty, and masters of us all must be destroyed. Yes, this danger grows daily as more and more are forced to decide between something good and something awful. Unable to sit by any longer, the members of Athens, NpO, UPN, GATO, FAN, RnR, Fark, Sparta, WTF and FoK have banded together to destroy it. You may have already heard of such plans. Nothing is secret any more in a world controlled by our enemy. Yes, today is the day we 10 go to war against boredom. We 10 have each sent 10 nations forward into 10 days of battle. For the cause of fun, against the evil of boredom, we plan to destroy each others pixels. We 10 have created 10 rules to guide us during these 10 days of pointless pixel violence. These rules will help us stay true to the path of merriment upon which lies both victory and tech. We 10 know that others may attempt to join in. We 10 strongly warn against it. While our 100 warriors may be otherwise engaged in combat, we 10 have many hundreds more that sit in the stands watching with jealousy. With this announcement, let the war begin.

[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1286334099' post='2476782'] I don't think he's very concerned; everyone knows Aloha is MK's favorite. Hell, we're everybody's favorite. We're Legion's favorite and we wouldn't even consider signing a treaty with you. [/quote] You're not our favorite.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1286134647' post='2473324'] i again ask how does this shake things up? they signed MDoaP's with each SF alliance By the by, shouldnt you be off betraying more friends by log dumping on them [/quote] [img]http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/11/give_me_a_spit_take_skit.jpg[/img] I kid.

[quote name='streak324' date='16 July 2010 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1279329576' post='2375296'] wow, no FARK members responded to the thread? [/quote] A travesty! Guru Order has long been one of Farkistan's closest alliances. We've shared a love for beer and all the joy it brings for longer than I can remember. Once a protectorate and then an ally, they are now considered a partner. Congratulation Guru on your own brand of beer. Send us over a case and we will return the favor.

Could you kindly remove our flag from the OP? While I get the need to strut, feed the ego, and generally declare yourselves topdog, I'd personally prefer if you did it without implying that Fark condones this crap.

[quote name='RavingMainyYak' date='06 June 2010 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1275843908' post='2326423'] There's something familiar with this review.A nice selection of brews, but I have this sense of déjà vu. [/quote] A beer review so nice, they used it twice? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=65212&st=0&p=1742357&hl=+carlsberg%20+elephant%20+beer&fromsearch=1&#entry1742357

Tum's a dude.

What do you mean Spectre?

Just wait till the next chapter.

[quote name='Corinan' date='03 March 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1267664966' post='2213149'] Probably. You forced my fearless leader, idol, and BFF to resign instead though. This displeases me. I'll have your heads on pikes for that. Edit: Oh and you did force reparations on us. One dollar. I was going to use it to get a Snickers bar too. Die. [/quote] You'd think that a Sith would know the true meaning of the word 'force'.

After the meeting, Ivan and I shared an aside. [quote]<Randomly[fark]> OOC you are one of the most slippery people I've ever had the pleasure to deal with <Randomly[fark]> Its been a treat. <Moldavi> Thank you. I do my best. Of course now that you guys have forced me to resign I don't know how I will be the villain <Randomly[fark]> Always New Solar Order <Randomly[fark]> and I didnt force you to resign. <Randomly[fark]> Practically begged you to stay <Moldavi> I don't know if that is how it will read <Randomly[fark]> The truth shall set you free.[/quote] Even now, in voluntary retirement, he remains as slippery and clever as ever.

Tonight the forces of the CSN, Farkistan, GOD, and Guru Order accepted the surrender of New Sith Order to their combined efforts and agreed to an end of hostilities. Both sides have ended the war amicably and acknowledge that all parties performed admirably on the field of battle, each alliance giving as much as it got day in and day out. Therefore, we, the nations of the CSN, Farkistan, GOD and Guru Order acknowledge victory on the killing fields over New Sith Order. This acknowledgement comes with but two stipulations. New Sith Order, in accordance with discussed terms of surrender, agrees to pay reparations to the combined forces. These reparations represent the blood, sweat and tears of the citizens of the nations that fought valiantly in this effort. They also represent our desire to see the affronts of the past punished to the most extreme of possibilities, hoping that through this sacrifice New Sith Order will learn a valuable lesson on how to treat their fellow alliances and the Cyberverse in general. Reparations are $1. If we wanted people to learn life lessons we would run a school, not a military alliance. This is a white peace otherwise. No decommissioning, no treaties, no non-aggression pacts, no lose of nuclear first strike privileges, no forced resignations, nothing but peace. We all entered to honor a debt and that debt is being paid in full. We do not push any agenda and do not seek to see any alliance destroyed beyond that which occurs through the normal course of battle. To celebrate this white peace, Ivan Moldavi has agreed to partake in the consumption of the finest New Sith dairy and review it for the scattered public of Cybernations. [b]Commonwealth of Sovereign Nations[/b] Goose, Head of State to The Commonwealth, Old Man with a Cane, and Hater of Huggles [b]Farkistan[/b] RandomlyJim, Submitter TumultuousPapaya, Squirrel Emperor Norton I, TotalFark Council Pope Rodger, TotalFark Council Fluoroalien, TotalFark Council Mr Cynical, TotalFark Council Fireguy15207, TotalFarkCouncil [b]GOD [/b] Xiphosis, Dark Lord No-Fish, Lord of War [b]Guru Order[/b] Guruland Elders Council: Waldie Land Elders Council: Jmalaxia Elders Council: Smokey78 Elders Council: & [b]New Sith Order[/b] LintWad, Sith Emperor Doppelganger, Sith Lord Anthony, Sith Lord Lennox, Sith Lord Heggo, Sith Lord Ivan Moldavi, Prophet of the Dark Side, Imperator Emeritus Mussolandia, Prophet of the Dark Side Heft, Prophet of the Dark Side

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='24 February 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1267057362' post='2202258'] I told you that you could speak with Lintwad or contact anyone on the Darth Council and they could reach me. You claiming that I have stated that I am the sole voice of the NSO does not make it so no matter how many embassies or threads you post it in. The only aspect of that which is relevant is that I stated I reserve sole right to declare aggressive wars. That does not in any way equate to me being the sole voice of NSO. That is a red herring that you used to avoid communication with my alliance while I was offline due to [OOC] reasons. It also fails to point out that when I did talk to you on the two or three occasions that we spoke that you stated that you had no intentions of granting us the peace that you gave to others or that everyone else on the front received. Again, stating that you offered white peace doesn't make it so when it was never actually offered. You also had a conversation with Grub just prior to our counter declaration, which was after you gave me an ultimatum to surrender or nothing, claiming that you were going to give us peace to "help them out". Unfortunately that is either just a blatant lie on your part or it was something that you planned to do but for some reason, even though I was online at the time and had talked to you that day, failed to communicate to NSO. Weird. [/quote] That is weird. At this point no one really cares what either of us. Opinions are formed. Thankfully for the audience, we are both stubborn and can continue to entertain. I'll try to clarify your mistaken memory. [quote][12:41] [INFO] Query view for “Moldavi” opened. [12:41] === Moldavi <Mibbit@coldfront-7DB01172.wireless.unc.edu> “http://www.mibbit.com” [12:41] === Moldavi is a registered nick [12:41] === Moldavi: member of +#farkistan [12:41] === Moldavi: attached to ice.coldfront.net “Welcome to Coldfront!” [12:41] --- End of WHOIS information for Moldavi. [12:41] <Randomly[fark]> Hello [12:42] <Moldavi> So, do you want to keep fighting us? Sorry for the brevity, but I think we have established that you and I probably aren't going to be friends any time soon and I have to go to class soon. [12:42] <Randomly[fark]> I'll go ahead and give permission for these logs to go up on paste bin too. [12:42] <Randomly[fark]> [12:42] <Moldavi> Ha [12:43] <Randomly[fark]> Unlike NSO, I don't have the the luxury of dictatorship so I must talk to my government. [12:43] <Randomly[fark]> But I do have a concern of NSO being let out and then reattacking in support of IRON [12:44] <Moldavi> Indeed. [12:44] <Moldavi> Basically, my number one goal is to get those that attacked you on my behalf out. [12:44] <Moldavi> Everything else is just whatever it is [12:45] <Randomly[fark]> Which alliances attacked on your behalf? [12:45] <Moldavi> I want Carpe Diem, Brengstlau and SNAFU to get peace [12:45] <Randomly[fark]> Fark is already in talks over it. [12:46] <Randomly[fark]> I will have at least one condition. [12:46] <Randomly[fark]> Beer Reviews. [12:46] <Randomly[fark]> Fark can't fight an alliance named Brengstlau and not get a beer review out of it [12:46] <Moldavi> I have no idea what that means [12:46] <Moldavi> Ah [12:46] <Moldavi> I am certain they can give you one. I do not drink so I am no help. [12:47] <Randomly[fark]> And that gives me insight on why we disagree so often. [12:47] <Moldavi> Anyway, I didn't know if anyone from NSO had found you. I have to head to class in a few. [12:47] <Moldavi> Indeed. [12:47] <Randomly[fark]> Take care. [12:47] <Moldavi> Lintwad is my second in command [12:47] <Moldavi> He speaks for me. [12:47] <Randomly[fark]> k[/quote] Here is the first conversation of peace at nearly 1pm the day after the IRON war started. There is you saying to talk to Lintwad but no mention of 'Dark Council' Besides, why talk to them when I know your around. The OWF was and remains littered with your postings. Had you spent a fraction of your time talking to us that you spent grandstanding here, perhaps this would be over. I agree with you about stating something as white peace doesn't make it so. You've been doing it for months now and yet your enemies in Karma still had terms. Not surprising really. You've long claimed one thing while doing another. This entire thread is proof of that. Fark gave you as white as peace as you gave your enemies in Karma. As for my conversation with Grub, I was trying to find you. You and Lintwad disappeared while we at Fark waited to hear back about earlier peace talks. For those that were curious, here are those logs of the peace talks. [quote][14:15] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Alright [14:15] <Pyroman[CD]afk> So what's the situation with fark then? [14:15] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Lint, they're interested in what your guys' plans are [14:15] <Pyroman[CD]afk> If you're aiming for peace as well [14:16] <Randomly[fark]> Situation is that Fark gov is in talks. We have concerns about reentry down the line due to NSO and IRON's treaty. [14:16] <LintWad> We're just interested in getting our allies out of this, and peacing out of our current conflicts. [14:17] -->| Cairna (Cairna@coldfront-37013DA6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #bro [14:17] =-= Mode #BRO +h Cairna by ChanServ [14:18] <Pyroman[CD]afk> I think they're concerned that you might just end up fighting again Lint [14:18] <Pyroman[CD]afk> If they declare on IRON in this new issue [14:18] <Randomly[fark]> We have declared already. [14:18] <Randomly[fark]> We are at war with IRON [14:18] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Let me rephrase then "since they are already at war with IRON" [14:19] <LintWad> I really haven't given that end of things much thought. Like I said, we're just trying to get these guys out of this conflict. [14:20] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Understandable, but CD isn't going to sign peace until NSO does. We came in for you guys, can't just leave after two days [14:21] <Pyroman[CD]afk> So we're at an impasse [14:21] <Randomly[fark]> I figured that would be an issue. [14:21] <Randomly[fark]> You folks need to talk about what you want to do. [14:22] <Randomly[fark]> Fark is a pretty mellow group but we fight to defend allies. I'm sure you will do the same. [14:22] <Pyroman[CD]afk> True, but our current war is over, or rather, we feel the cause is lost [14:22] <Pyroman[CD]afk> And CD is no friend of IRON's, though we will defend the NSO [14:23] <LintWad> Pyro, if you're going to wait for us to get out, we're goign to have to put this on hold. [14:23] <Randomly[fark]> Agreed Lint. [14:23] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Okay [14:23] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Could we at least see about getting BAPS peace then? [14:23] <Pyroman[CD]afk> and if SNAFU/ICB want to get out [14:23] <Randomly[fark]> BAPS just went nuke on fark [14:24] <Randomly[fark]> You guys talk and come find Fark when you are ready. [14:24] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Alright [14:24] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Thanks for your time Randomly [14:24] <Randomly[fark]> thanks for coming to find me. [14:24] <Randomly[fark]> Best of luck, all [14:24] <Pyroman[CD]afk> Thanks, you too[/quote] Hey look, its Lintwad. The time is 2:30 the day after Polar and \m/ peaced out and an hour and half after our previous convo. You're appointed voice saying that he wasn't sure and that you and your allies need to put things on hold. Yet, I heard you claim later that we delayed. Hmm. Also logs of the Grub conversation. This was 31 hours after the peace talks while we were still waiting to hear from you or Lintwad. Session Start: Fri Jan 29 21:00:21 2010 Session Ident: AlmightyGrub 01[21:00] <Randomly[fark]> Ok, I need to know if NSO not surrendering will hinder your current plans? 01[21:07] <Randomly[fark]> Oh, never mind 01[21:07] <Randomly[fark]> Ivan answered via DOW 01[21:07] <Randomly[fark]> And I came offering to peace them out to help 01[21:07] <Randomly[fark]> lol 01[21:07] <Randomly[fark]> NEVERMIND [21:24] <AlmightyGrub> yah [21:24] <AlmightyGrub> I just saw [21:24] <AlmightyGrub> seriously [21:24] <AlmightyGrub> I am wasting my time in this mess of ego 01[21:24] <Randomly[fark]> I do like the spin tho 01[21:24] <Randomly[fark]> 'This was Farkistan's evil plot to trap us' 01[21:25] <Randomly[fark]> To make it official, I will now cackle [21:25] <AlmightyGrub> yah 01[21:25] <Randomly[fark]> Muhahahahahaha My ultimatum to you came recently. After the second time you walked away from talks and disappeared for days while we waited for your answer. For those that are curious, the ultimatum was 'Take the terms you agreed to by update or they off the table.' This is fun.

[quote name='heggo' date='24 February 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1267049286' post='2202080'] It is worth noting that even when Fark offered us beer reviews and no re-entry as terms, they did not do so in good faith. Consider that in our initial negotiations they offered us these terms only to promptly declare war on our ally IRON. Their goal wasn't to give us peace, but rather to either force us to violate our treaty with IRON or stall us until our treaty obligations would force us back into the war for a time. It is also worth noting that, during later negotiations, randomly (and some others, if I recall correctly) steadfastly refused to discuss peace with Sith government (Darth Council) members other than Ivan, a refusal which was emblematic of their attempts to create various arbitrary sticking points (like beer reviews) to keep us in the war, rather than to negotiate with any intentions to give us real peace.So all and all, even if you think we were unreasonable in refusing to surrender to them on their beer review and related terms, you should recognize that our problems with Fark during peace negotiations went beyond just that. [/quote] While I can appreciate your need to lie in order to build sympathy since the truth provides you none, try to pick something that isnt so easily counter. Fark declared on IRON at 11:40pm on Jan 28th. Polar and \m/ announced peace at 11:30pm. The server crashed. We were already at war with Iron before NSO ever even came to us for peace. As for not speaking with other Dark Council, I can say I agree with Ivan on the topic. [quote name='Ivan Moldavi' date='24 February 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1267049064' post='2202068'] Ah, my apologies. When I say Polar I mean Grub. The Emperor is the embodiment of the Order and I don't generally get my information from subordinates. [/quote] Why talk with others when the Emperor is around. Especially after he's declared himself the single true voice of NSO and specifically told this forum that all others are to be ignored.

[b]Pure.[/b] [quote]Molon Labe and DOOM, acknowledging their continued participation in this war is of no assistance to their allies and acknowledging defeat at the hands of MK, STA, NSO, and NpO, agree to the following terms for peace: -Molon Labe and DOOM will not re-enter the conflict by offering military assistance (including spying) to any present combatants. -Molon Labe and DOOM will not offer any economic assistance to any present combatants. [/quote] [b]White.[/b] [quote]Tonight the forces of the Terra-Cotta Pact and the Ordinance of the Force accepted the surrender of The Phoenix Federation to their combined efforts and agreed to an end of hostilities. Both sides have ended the war amicably and acknowledge that all parties performed admirably on the field of battle, each alliance giving as much as it got day in and day out. Therefore, we, the nations of the New Sith Order, the Imperium of Man and The Galactic Republic acknowledge victory on the killing fields over The Phoenix Federation. This acknowledgement comes with but one stipulation. The Phoenix Federation, in accordance with discussed terms of surrender, agrees to pay reparations to the New Sith Order. These reparations represent the blood, sweat and tears of the citizens of the nations that fought valiantly in this effort. They also represent our desire to see the affronts of the past punished to the most extreme of possibilities, hoping that through this sacrifice The Phoenix Federation will learn a valuable lesson on how to treat their fellow alliances and the Cyberverse in general. Reparations are $1. If we wanted people to learn life lessons we would run a school, not a military alliance. This is a white peace otherwise. No decommissioning, no treaties, no non-aggression pacts, no lose of nuclear first strike privileges, no forced resignations, nothing but peace. We entered to honor a debt and that debt is being paid in full. We do not push any agenda and do not seek to see any alliance destroyed beyond that which occurs through the normal course of battle. Signed for the New Sith Order, Ivan Kalinski Moldavi, Dread Lord of Stromholde, Dark Lord of the Sith, Sovereign of the New Sith Order[/quote] Peace?

Like all discussions here, the truth means little yet I'll provide it anyways. As the Polar vs \m/ war wound down, Fark asked everyone for a beer review. From Carpe Diem to STA, that was our condition. STA complained because we had not exchanged even a cruise missile. My membership and gov had a general like for STA and we dropped the demand and moved on. We desired an end to the Shortbus war. We didn't view the Beer review as a term of surrender and if you look back at that thread you will see that we agreed to do one ourselves. We still don't. Yet we do have our traditions and we will continue them. You fight in anger, you drink in peace. Its important to note that Ivan Moldavi never came to Fark for peace for NSO during this time. We spoke but the topic was getting out its TC allies. The conversation was short, Ivan had to leave for class, but appointed Lintwad his voice. Fark, Lintwad, and its allies in TC entered a channel and discussed terms. It was then that we, Fark, mentioned our concern that if we peaced out on NSO then they may still come back and hit us again in support of IRON. Even worse, they may hit one of our allies. Lintwad agreed that it was a possibility, stated that he would talk to Ivan and get back with us. Days go by and we peace out everyone else but never hear from Ivan or Lintwad. Unable to track them down via IRC during those 4 or 5 days, we spoke with Polar. It is during our talks with Polar trying to arrange peace for NSO that we get declared on. While Ivan was unable to find the time to talk with us, his post count on these forums grew ever larger. It is from these posts that we learn that his issue is 'Beer Review'. It is in his posts on this forum that he states that a way to move past it would be for Fark to agree to a Health Food review. Review the logs I have already posted. You will see our agreement, at that time, to exchange reviews. Also notice that Ivan has repeatedly lied that he was never offered peace yet the logs exist. Fark was working to get NSO out. Ivan also likes to claim that he has gave White Peace during Karma. A quick check of the terms given TPF proves interesting. You see trivial joke reps, you see a recognition of surrender. A quick check of the terms given DOOM and ML is also interesting. It contains provisions about staying out of war, not aiding the enemy, and a notice of surrender. When Ivan gives 'White Peace' to others, it contains many of the same things he rejected in our 'peace'. This isnt a shock. He's long claimed one thing and done another. He doesn't play CN, he plays OWF. Going forward, NSO will not be getting 'White Peace' from Fark. They have been given many chances to get out at terms they found acceptable only to back away without notice. Like everyone else that Fark fights today, if they want peace it will come through surrender.

NSO has been offered 'white peace'. Ivan himself accepted the terms and asked to immediately announce a ceasefire on the OWF. He was advised by Fark to go speak to allies first and left to do so. He then disappeared for days. Reason unknown. Conjecture was that his allies in Iron did not approve. If only the communication logs from that meeting existed... Here they are. [quote] Now talking in #lwoffice * ENI[Away] (swahnhenne@coldfront-EF3418AA.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #lwoffice * ENI[Away] is now known as ENI[Fark] <ENI[Fark]> hello, gentlemen <Randomly[fark]> Hi all <~LintWad> Hey. <Moldavi> Hi <~LintWad> I queried you a question just before sending you here. <~LintWad> Do you expect, should an agreement be reached, that your allies would honor it as well? <Moldavi> I believe GOD will. <~LintWad> CSN and Guru Order are the other two I believe. I'll check the list to make sure. <Moldavi> Basically, I read the logs of Lintwad and Randomly talking and I agree to the provisions. Fark will write up a health food review and I will write up a beer review. I want to let IRON know that we are seeking an exit before moving forward though, as that is the right thing to do. <Moldavi> Unfortunately no one from their government is online. <ENI[Fark]> If Fark peaces out NSO, I expect our allies to follow <ENI[Fark]> there would be no reason for them to continue <Moldavi> Provided I can get ahold of someone in IRON government should I post that a ceasefire exists between NSO and Fark with peace concluding after the reviews are posted? <Randomly[fark]> No. <Randomly[fark]> Confirm with your allies and let us do the same <Randomly[fark]> We will then arrange the announcement and the posting of reviews <Moldavi> ok <Randomly[fark]> And as for NSO exiting completely and permanently from this conflict <Randomly[fark]> ? <Moldavi> That is the plan <Moldavi> okay, have a good afternoon[/quote] I'd invite the curious to track down a Farker as this place is not something we frequent.

[quote name='x Tela x' date='19 February 2010 - 12:22 AM' timestamp='1266556929' post='2191578'] MHA and FOK defeated us, but any term, even a frivolous one, is just silly, when we didn't see that alliance on the battlefield at all. Anyway, it's not as if it were a billion dollar rep and I'm crying out about the injustice. It's just extremely silly. [/quote] If you need us to fight you in order to drink a beer, that can be arranged.