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  1. Well, I guess Fran has the right to rub it in now. I blame my goddamned internet. Makes me wonder though exactly why you guys let me stay there. Oh well. It was still fun.
  2. You did, but, like the rest of you, you had no solid proof... ...or...if you did, you didn't act on it.
  3. 50 or less. I am a misanthrope and people disgust me. Also, it is less of a cluster$%&@.
  4. Then share them. See above. Indeed. I would think that one can spy without violating one's ideals, correct? That, of course, depends on the spy. I, for one, managed to spy without lying at all. It was tricky...and ODN oft found me suspicious as a result, but it worked.
  5. Gatherum shook his head. You speak as if Karma is an authoritative entity to guide Digiterra on a new path. It is nothing more than a war coalition. It will cease to exist once the blocs and alliances within it separate into smaller factions based upon differing ideals. As CSM already stated, this is already apparent. As a very, very early prediction, based upon the now and thinking for a second that not much will change (which it will, I am sure), I believe that there will be two opposing factions in the coming days: The "Neo-Karma" Faction, consisting of the Complaints and Grievances Union, the Rosular Kingdom, the SuperFriends, the Ragnablok, Frostbite, and Below vs. The Citadel and The Sweet Oblivion (which, I also predict, will eventually join The Citadel anyway). That sounds like a heavily-lopsided war, yes, but keep in mind that I failed to mention (for I am not sure) how blocs such as NOIR, the Stickmen, AZTEC, the Nexus Agreement, the Pocahontas Accords, the League of Extraordinary Oranges, or the Chestnut Accords, will align. Those blocs that were of the Hegemony, such as the former and current alliances of One Vision, the P.E.A.C.E. Treaty, and the Overlord's Protectorate Pact are unknown to me. What will become of the Orange Unity Treaty is also unknown to me. Please note that this is a very early prediction, and thus every part of it is subject to change. Note also that it doesn't quite take into consideration future alliances or blocs that might emerge later.
  6. Indeed. And I would think one can be loyal to their own ideals with spying, correct?
  7. I am sorry I didn't get to this eariler. Have you logs or proof of this? I see no evidence pointing to TSO being asked to leave, and I have ample reason to believe that those in TSO left of their own accord.
  8. Neither. I re-rolled. As has been stated by other TSO members within this very thread, the due process was unreliable because the membership was inactive and detached, not to mention that most ideas that Fran brought forward were denied by Fresh or otherwise, there was someone or something getting in the way. As far as I can remember, she never had the opportunity to bring these things to the majority, therefore all battles were lost before they began. In reality, there is no real element within the MCXA, past or present, that truly advocates Democracy, for it is only a Democratic alliance in name, not in practice. EDIT: I direct your attention to the post below me, for it by a former MCXA'er who has a better understanding of MCXA law.
  9. I never said they were bad people. In fact, to give an example, in the one brief time I spoke to SunnyInc recently, though he had demonstrated that he could be rather relentless when he disliked somebody, he did have the conscious mind to know when he had gone a bit too far for something petty (which takes a strong will and a good sense of self to do), and seemed, overall, to be a naturally docile and rational individual. I am sure TSO has plenty of its quality players, as any alliance would. But even I can't play the nice !@#$%^& forever. And I will admit that this instance is different because it involves a very dear friend of mine here. I will not lie and say that I do not like TSO either. I don't like the circumstances by which they have come into existence. I think that the issues they have presented in their defense are indeed, reputable, yet none to abandon your alliance for. They stayed with it for a long time, yes. But as the then acting rulers of MCXA, they were responsible for allowing the alliance to stagnate, as well as for repairing the damage. Instead, they left. That is not justifiable. Rest assured though, that I am as Gatherum as Gatherum was ever himself.
  10. The very fact that you planned to, and actually emmigrated in the first place, especially for the reasons stated (whether they be a lack of appreciation, an inactive membership, or a failing system) is betrayal, and, as I stated, it is hypocritical to criticize Fran for circumventing the system for those very same reasons. And for the love of Odin, would you people (and by "you people", I mean "everyone") please stop trying to feign disinterest. If, in your case, you didn't care...truly didn't care, you would be perfectly content with me choking upon my own "ignorance." You care. Live with it.
  11. Gatherum inhaled and exhaled sharply in dismay, casually and randomly sat upon the ground, and spoke. Alright... ...so it seems that some people still cannot seem to get over the whole espionage deal. While this point has been stressed in greater words by my former comrades in arms as well as a few others, I too, am heavily dismayed by the heavy use of that issue to try to brand my great friend Francesca here as a traitor to her alliance, when this is very simply not the case. Too many of you hold to this flawed sense of morality...that to spy in favor of the supposed "enemy" (who was not even an enemy officially, lacking any veritable and stated recognition of a state of war between MCXA and Vox Populi) somehow instantly brands one as a treasonous, sinful, writhing snake, hungering for its own sizeable bite of the power. There is a reason that this thread's title mentions loyalty, or more specifically, the true meaning thereof, and a better reason why it is said at the end that it is not so cut and dry: because it is not. Francesca acted in the way that she did because she knew that MCXA, the alliance that she could have left to rot for the same reasons that those now in TSO did, was falling by the wayside, in a direction that was detrimental. Throughout this thread, I have seen this accusation: Fran is a disloyal traitor, because she (as CSM already asserted, only partially) informed Vox upon the affairs of MCXA. This, frankly, is a narrow, lackluster, asinine, and ancient assessment that has long ceased to hold any water, save for those remaining few drops that only accumulate because a surprising number of people still adhere to it. The argument is empty and based on its support, and no longer by any sort of factual accuracy. I implore you all to please leave it behind. Disloyalty exists...this is not an example of it. Someone in this thread misinterpreted Fran's outlining of the plan we shared as a claim that were the masterminds. I fail to see where we have stated this, anywhere, for we were, in fact, merely small pawns in a very large chessboard in comparison with those of much greater minds and ambitions, such as those of the former Senate of Vox. Indeed, our plan was, very simply, while Fran was MCXA's MoFA, and while I was a spy in ODN, to move them both away from the Hegemony, partly by bringing them closer to each other. I will admit that it was not the soundest of plans, for one of the goals was also for Fran to focus upon building relations with VE, an issue with ODN since they had just come out of the diplomatic crisis involving the International, which left a taste of utmost disgust within the mouths of ODN's GA; I could argue this point to no avail. I am confident, however, that the plan had potential, at least until the trials. Though I remained outside MCXA affairs for the most part, it is my understanding that those trials occurred primarily because Fran, and three others: Sup4, nc, and Ilya_Murometz, were seemingly in agreement regarding increased relations with VE. The government of MCXA at the time, however (conveniently, I might add), saw them as a separate political party, which, for some reason, is outlawed in the MCXA charter (which, in and of itself, is odd, because it is the charter of what is supposed to be a democratic alliance). Fran resigned, of course, and I believe nc left. Sup4 cut some sort of deal with the Chancellors and thus was able to remain. I am not sure what Ilya did, though I imagine he left since he is now in VE. Regardless of the details, this effectively foiled any of our efforts to steer MCXA in a more desirable direction. Beforehand, Fran had, as some of you have been so adamantly poised to tell her to do, been following ordinary procedure, trying to keep relations up with as many alliances as possible (particularly, the blue ones) and doing the rest of her duties as any MoFA would. Thus it would be that only half of the plan was successful: ODN, as we all plainly see, has broken away from the Hegemony. Why? No, it is not due to my efforts, which actually had very little to do with it. It is because it has a very active, very intelligent member base, most of which who know the meaning of abstract thought. What MCXA had was, as asserted by multiple people here, an inactive bunch who served only the smallest of purposes. In regard to TSO, do you want to know why it is that you are greater traitors than Fran ever was, assuming of course, that she can remotely be considered one anyway? It is because of those same reasons you outline in why you left in the first place. And yet, here you are, arguing that she is the traitor because she circumvented the normal procedures. You expect her to work solely with the same inactive membership, deal with the same inefficiencies of the system that you became tired of working in. I ask you then...why the hell did you not stay and do that yourselves? You worked with it for awhile, yes, but then you left, in effect, leaving them to rot. If you really gave a damn about MCXA, you would have, at the very least, postponed your move to create TSO the moment you realized that the transition was not going as smoothly as you thought (a fact that Sam has relayed in this very thread), and taken responsibility until things were more stabilized. Instead, you left anyway. You are half of the reason MCXA was destroyed militarily in this war, the other half being the current government's unwillingness to realize what was more beneficial to MCXA, instead focusing pointlessly on strong, continued relations with Pacifica. You have shown your hypocrisy in this thread. You did not abide by the procedures outlined in the MCXA's charter by working with the membership. Yes, it was an inactive, useless mass, for the most part, and yet you expect Fran to work with it when you abandoned it? Whether you would believe it or not, that is what happens in a Democracy: for the people, by the people. Her solution was not of the mundane variety either, but at least she stayed and tried. You run away crying. And you wonder why TSO is so frequently met with ire on this subject. That is what is being referred to by loyalty, is the effort by which Fran worked in favor of the MCXA, even as a Voxian. Truth be told, Vox had the best of intentions, but not all the means necessarily had to be moral. Vox would undoubtedly have been satisfied with MCXA's, or ODN's, disbandment. Less enemies for us, and less support for the opposition. Neither Fran nor I chose to take that path, though, because we cared for the alliances that we had infiltrated and informed upon. It is a different breed of loyalty, yes...but it is loyalty all the same. As for the TFS Pedophile incident, I am not even going into that extensively, for I know too little of what went on, suffice to say that I think the lot of you, and I refer to Fran, nc, TFS himself, and anyone else, should drop the subject and move on. It is obviously a damned mess and has gotten rediculous. TFS, your verbage was indeed aggressive, but I agree that it is nothing new to the English language. Fran, in all honesty, "Go $%&@ yourself" is not a sexual comment in even the slightest degree, and nc, while I will respect your effort to conceal her age, we both know that Fran is more than old enough to handle "inappropriate comments", and in fact, she, you, I, and every else in a certain room we tend to go to, and beyond, is guilty of making them, to much higher degrees. Seriously, get over it. We're big kids now. This is disgusting. As to the OP, you writ this well, Fran, and I commend you for finally stepping out into the open to deliver this. Everyone in Solitude loves you very much, and I sense that our friendship will last far beyond the death of Digiterra itself. "You have taken your first step...into a much larger world." <3
  12. Added Youtube links to most of them. Those without links seem to lack any Youtube vids. Also, I would like to give a very special mention to the song, "Circle", by Esoteric, on The Maniacal Vale, of which cannot be found a worthy Youtube link because it is 20 minutes and 45 seconds long. It is slower than all of the songs above, but it is that sort of scary, deathly song that fits desolation and destruction.
  13. Gatherum analyzed this concept with utmost conviction. I expect sexy wimmenz coming out of this fledgling alliance in the future.
  14. Gatherum looked at Windsor skeptically. While I the warning is definitely valid, and so is your contribution as far as beginning the war, I would not be willing to agree that Blackstone manufacted this whole state of affairs. It is certainly possible, yes. But it is by no means probable, nor believable. Such claims require irrefutable proof. On another note, I must disagree with some points made. Freedom is not something that is forced upon someone. Such defeats the whole purpose. Secondly, this notion of "global freedom" would in fact, be more stagnant than the Hegemonic oppression of the previous era recently passed. How many times must Kreia be quoted? "People achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking." It is therefore that I implore all who reside here to heed Windsor's words in regard to knowing thy enemy, but also to remember what it is that makes us all: War. Gatherum bowed away, and returned to his solitude.
  15. mpol777, fransjosef, hizzy, Electron Sponge, and Francesca. :lol:
  16. Despite my past affiliation, I have always held Pacifica in a higher regard, at least in terms of Military. While I have fought others and they have been worthy, Pacificans are the only ones in these nine months to have given me some serious trouble. Politically, they seem to be up to some unsavory deeds...but did Vox Populi not engage in similar deeds? I am neutral to Pacifica. IRON, I feel the same for, though I was bothered by how they seemed to be trying to direct ODN before the war...but ODN has broken free, so it is now a non-issue. The Phoenix had been the one I respected the least before the war, ever since they bailed on the UJP. While I was in the Legion at the time, and fought Valhalla and \m/, it is still disappointing. However, they gave me at least one good opponent during this war, have been very good sports about their predicament, and are sticking by their allies in Pacifica, despite what some say about how much value the latter places in its allies. They have turned around from their time in the UJP, and for that, I respect them. GGA, I am still not quite sure of. They were a laughingstock before the war. Now...we shall see, I suppose. MCXA, I had hope for...but then, they impeached half of their government, as if that was a good idea in the first place after the exodus. It almost seems as if they were only repeating Sam's regime. But who's to say? Everyone else, I am pretty much neutral about.
  17. Gatherum rubbed his chin in contemplation. In terms of long-term effect, I would have to say...Ivan Moldavi. In terms of shaping events to the current state of affairs today...hrmm...Electron Sponge.
  18. I believe that there shall be three alliances rising very soon: The Obsidian Entente, the Oceanic Entente, and the Aurum Entente. Pacifica did it. Why not Viridia?
  19. I'm winning over the populace with my impossibly good spirits. >D
  20. Red Gale Machine Added a note and more images to the first post. Ah, okay. I'll be sure to PM you the result then. ^^ A challenger appears! In all seriousness, indeed, this man knows what he is doing. I suppose, the best I can say to anyone looking for images is, choose either of us depending upon the style you're looking for. I am more the man who enjoys really odd, abstract things, honestly.
  21. Alright, I'll be sure to remember this. In the meantime, can you describe to me what you mean by a "grunge" feel?
  22. Post or PM me a request for a flag, signature, or any other image you want created, with any parameters. Then I'll make it for you.
  23. Gatherum shook his head. Sadly, this new Order of Neutral Shoving does nothing to remind me of the original. Such is therefore why it is not what it is.
  24. While I have not determined this, I would imagine that it would be one of these: "Destroy Everything", by Hatebreed, on Supremacy "Axiom", by Aker$@e, on Antichrist "Belphegor - Hell's Ambassador", by Belphegor, on Pestapokalypse VI "Mordecai", by Between the Buried and Me, on The Silent Circus "The Pale Haunt Departure", by Novembers Doom, on The Pale Haunt Departure "Straight Hate", by Bloodsimple, on A Cruel World "Spearheading the Spawn", by Neaera, on Armamentarium "Frequency in Cycles", followed by "Order Out of Chaos", by Cyanotic, on Transhuman "Not All Who Wander Are Lost", by DevilDriver, on The Last Kind Words "At the Left Hand ov God", by Behemoth, on The Apostasy "Forsaken", by As I Lay Dying, on An Ocean Between Us "No Pity for a Coward", by Suicide Silence, on The Cleansing "Violent Mood Swings", followed by "Slavery", by Spineshank, on Self-Destructive Pattern "24 Hours", by Zaraza, on Slavic Blasphemy "Determined", by Mudvayne, on Lost and Found "Nocturne", followed by "The Day it All Came Down", by Insomnium, on Since the Day It All Came Down "Resurrection", by Chimaira, on Resurrection "Blood of Faith Stains My Hands", by Eternal Tears of Sorrow, on Chaotic Beauty There are likely more, but that will suffice for now.
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