ShiningForce

This is AWESOME! Smiley brigade! jASSSSSSSEEEEEMMMBLLLLLEEEEEE!!! (assemble) :popcorn: :nuke: :blush: :gun: :gun: :psyduck: :smug: :war: ^_^ yeah! woot! ] mor smiles! :gun: :ehm: YEEEEEAAAAH! Go CRAP! :gag: Go Avalanche! :huh: :huh: Go go go!!! All the waaaay! I can fly! :wub:

I like this. In fact, if this were Facebook, I'd click the "like" button like twenty times. I'd even spam more bot accounts to do the same and have them do it... and then this cool cycle thing starts going. ... ... ... All in all, good stuff.

Okay, so back to the OP. Detroit has a good chance at winning it. I would actually prefer it, being a Yankees fan. That means we would have lost to the champs, yeah? I like Detroit's bullpen depth. They have some good contact hitters. I'm routing for them until they win it.

As per my word, my friends. Hells to the yess on this! (<--- Pac Man.)

I missed this. Hells to the yes! Go Team Shake!

[quote name='29107127' timestamp='1341230778' post='3001737'] I knew somebody was gonna make puns about eating us BLTs. However, this BLT eats back.... To the last infra level! XD Let the meaningless bloodshed comence!!! [/quote] I would never dream of disrespecting another man that eats BLTs. They are absolutely delicious!

Hey don't sell yourselves short. That was actually pretty awesome.

Here comes the Tidal Wave!!! Have fun guys!

I heard you guys make some pretty kick-ass iced tea. For this, I thank you all. Good stuff.

[quote name='Sir Exodus' timestamp='1326252051' post='2897184'] o/ Far <--- for the hell of it [/quote] Damn straight, S.Ex! Nothing but good things for us since you guys came over. Also, in all honesty, I think Oceania's flag looks pretty kick ass. Praise for AVALANCHE. Praise for Oceania. Praise for... molecules.

Good stuff. I liked that. I, also, officially return most of the stolen rum to VOC. I drank the rest. Sorry about that.

I like zombies. I guess you guys are okay.

This is interesting.

I've always liked you guys Welcome to the scrap, gents! Enjoy yourselves.

May the Cactuar needles sting ten thousand deaths!

Go get em, boys!

[img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/titanic-pictures-1.jpg[/img] Didn't work out too well for these guys. Maybe things turn out different, who knows? I'm excited, though.

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1322465169' post='2854636'] Why not just admit your mistake. [/quote] Probably because I'm having trouble finding it. I'm assuming you're implying that our 'mistake' was trying to cover up a "Jump the Gun" scenario with false reparation aid. Was it unorthodox? Yes. Did we accomplish our goal of staving off a pre-emptive assault? Yes, although, it is apparent this charade was not necessary, seeing as IRON wasn't going to do so, anyway. In the end, the result was the same, which is how we hoped it would be. So, it wasn't a mistake.

[quote name='fuzz227' timestamp='1322464921' post='2854632'] Using your own logic regarding IRON should have just attacked you, why didn't you just declare on all of IRON's allies as well? If you are convinced that they will be attacking you, then does this mean you are arrogant too?[/quote] If we can chew up a few war slots from IRON's allies, it aids NpO. That's one less war against NpO and her allies, who we happen to be quite fond of. [quote name='fuzz227']The reason an alliance doesn't, which I am sure you should be able to figure out, is that the attack would be aggressive in nature and not defensive. This would lead to different treaty paths being followed. And really, what does your alliance really hurt IRON? It isn't like you are going to scare them in the slightest. You have 30 nations total, 20 in war mode and only 13 wars. I mean, what could they be afraid of? [/quote] We understand the treaty chains and their implications. As stated above, these would result in one less war against NpO and her allies. As for the second point mentioned, we can certainly pound the hell out of a few of IRON's lower NS nations. If IRON doesn't feel concerned, or scared as you put it, for their lower NS nations, then it really highlights the fact that they don't care for their smaller nations, at all. In my opinion, not taking the effort to pre-emptively strike at an alliance they know is going to come at their lower NS nations hard, is like a slap in the face to their smaller nations. Sure, they could throw money at their smaller nations post-war so that they may rebuild. Or, they could have Pre-emp'd us and truly defend their smaller nations. Alas, they did not. But, all this matters not, for things have already gotten underway. I think it's been established the different strategies both sides have undertaken and for now, we look forward to fighting for a cause we believe in.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1322463856' post='2854607'] No lol, because Avalanche declaring on IRON has the same effect in the end, i.e. you're both at war and it costs them nothing tactically since all their nations are already built up, and strategically they can call their MDP partners in against you now. I'm quite certain they weren't fooled. You might as well have dithered until update, it would've achieved the same effect you claim to have been aiming for. [/quote] Let them come, then. We've planned for this, so let it happen.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1322462981' post='2854583'] Ok let me explain why you're an idiot. You have a MDoAP with Polar. Polar just got attacked. Quite reasonably, the entire world expects Polar's treaty partners to defend them (whether or not they all will is for another thread). Update yesterday passes, no move from you guys. Then, two of your nations declare war many hours ahead of update, with reasons such as "As per instructions of my boss" and [b]"Hello - aiding NpO"[/b]. The second one is particularly telling. Now, any person with a brain can put two and two together: you have a treaty with NpO, and two separate members of your alliance declared war with quite revealing DoW's. Then, you went through some farce of contacting IRON and sending two of their nations money labeled as reps. So we have two options here. One, you panicked after jumping the gun, and the reps were genuine. Two, you were idiotic enough to think that sending a couple batches of money would prevent IRON from seeing something blatantly obvious- you were going to declare and your members jumped the gun. By the way, if it's the second, don't pat yourself on the back, IRON were never fooled. Which is it? [/quote] Finally, a genuine response. It was the second one, if it really pleases you to hear it. But, are you certain they weren't fooled? If it really was as blatantly obvious, as you proclaim, then wouldn't the smart option be to pre-emptively strike us? Why just let it happen? I have two reasons, myself: 1.) They're arrogant and intentionally wanted to be hit. Probably because IRON's bored, I could imagine. 2.) They were uncertain as to our intentions. I'll go with option 1 but I'll add how strategically stupid it is. Sure, the odds are with them but they're going to just let us stock up and attack them? Even if they're convinced they'll win, they're taking unnecessary casualties. That sounds a lot stupider than attempting to cover up a "jump the gun" scenario with reps, in my opinion.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1322462629' post='2854567'] You aren't serious haha [/quote] You know, if someone gave you a dollar every time you deflected a statement, I'd imagine you'd be a pretty wealthy man.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1322462457' post='2854559'] You know not a single person with enough of a brain to type is going to believe this right? [/quote] Seeing as not a single one of them retaliated...

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1322462166' post='2854547'] I don't think anybody would mock them if it wasn't for the fact that they also... paid reparations for those two idiots jumping the gun, knowing full well they were going to DoW later the same day anyway. I haven't seen anybody else do that. [/quote] We're innovators.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1322461500' post='2854514'] Please be joking about still having banks.[/quote] Sorry that we actually thought things through past the actual war, into the post-war period. It's a decent strategy for a small alliance to rebuild after a war. [quote name='Varianz']Please be joking about not having fought since Karma. [/quote] We can't all be warmongers, otherwise, the title would lose all meaning. We fight the ones we feel need to be fought. No more, no less.