Chunky Monkey

Because when you sort out an unfortunate incident with someone in a civil manner, you have no need to go running to the OWF to tell everyone about it. This is a simple case of (once again), certain frequent OWF posters combing every report and every post looking to stir up drama where there simply isn't any, to what end, I don't know. I wonder why you and others are so concerned about defending MI6 when most of you are planning to roll them anyway.

Because it makes perfect sense that the alliance that isn't part of a major power bloc, isn't historically aggressive at all, has no issue with MI6, and conducted the discussion on the incident quickly and civilly to run the risk of getting caught by spying on MI6 for months trying to get warchest info, and for what, exactly? So we can be used to give info down several chains to an alliance that actually wants it and take the fall when we get caught? I have to assume you're trolling here, because if this follows your actual logic on the topic, you must live in a strange world where around every corner lurks the neutral menace and in every shadow is a mid-tier alliance always watching.

I don't know either. Maybe Auctor would like to answer for himself.

You could have, you know, taken the fact that we said it was a private matter at face value and not continued to bring it up in every thread on the OWF that could conceivably be related to it. I guess I just choose to operate differently.

I'm not exactly sure how this is supposed to be an insult. I think Argent is a good alliance.

You didn't get a satisfactory answer so you made a whole thread about it? That is surely the appropriate way to handle the issue. This is the best answer you're going to get: The incident was discussed with MI6 gov and has been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties. The details are really none of your business.

Good to see our allies becoming closer friends.

If you didn't want that to count you should have started a new alliance. But you didn't. So it counts. If you keep growing like you are you'll be good for next quarter though.

Go treaties!

I never said they did, and that is ignoring the point entirely. It is simply inappropriate to go around masquerading as another alliances government and sending their membership messages.

Choosing to run 3 senators is not what we take offense to. Deliberately messaging our membership on *two separate occasions* (one asking us to vote for your senators, and a second deliberately telling our nations to vote for the wrong senators in an attempt to dilute our votes) is what we're upset about. Polaris leadership's devil-may-care attitude when approached about the issue certainly did not improve our opinions either.

We look very blue in that list, in comparison to all those hot (color spectrum wise) colors.

I don't even know what to say to this. You say that I'm avoiding things by insulting you, by quoting a post directed at someone else, after you spent your first 4 replies to me hurling insults like they were going out of style. I would really like to see the world that you live it, it must be a sight to behold. As far as my position, let me make it as clear as I can: We will take actions that we deem necessary to ensure that the Blue team senate is not controlled by one single alliance, so that all Blue nations may continue to enjoy the prosperity granted by having a diverse senate. We will direct our senator to act in a way that is in line with our alliance principles, and take actions we choose regardless of the meddling of outside parties.​ We will take actions that are proportional and appropriate to threats directed at our alliance and our allies. We will take any action necessary to ensure we maintain the sovereignty of our alliance, and that of our allies.

And your actions to control the senate and do what you want with the blue sphere is self-serving and dictatorial, but those qualities are not new to Polaris are they? Also, as I've previously stated, I was misinformed as to the reason for the sanctions, they were relating to the leaks not the war. I would suggest you consider the fact that these sanctions were carried out on other spheres with no issue, and take a look at your response. I would say if you looked hard enough you would see you are overreacting, but who am I kidding, you're Polaris, you'll never see things any other way. We will respond in an appropriate and proportioned manner to whatever actions you decide to take.

I do apologize, but my statement there was misinformed, as I admitted a couple posts up. The reason for the sanction was not related to the war, but to the leaks.

I'll lay it out for you as simply as possible. DK requested us to sanction several nations in relation to the leaks, as they had of alliances on every other sphere (my previous comments relating to it being because of the war were misinformed). We requested our senator act on the sanctions as requested, and as alliances on other spheres had already completed. Would it have been perfectly acceptable if say, NATO's senator had acted on the sanctions instead? According to your logic, it seems like it would have. If that is the case, then I don't see the problem here. The nations would have ended up just as sanctioned. As an aside, if you consider telling someone that they've "never had an original thought in their life", calling them "white noise", and calling their alliance "little" and "loose" asking questions based on observation, then I'd hate to see what vile content you post when you're actively trying to put someone down.

The message your alliance sent our membership does not agree: "The New Polar Order is backing three candidates this month: Willaim Kreiger of Germanic Empire, medic32 of Ecateca, and Almighty Grub of Union of Grub. We ask you to join us in voting these three nations into the Senate to ensure prosperity and stability on the Blue Team." Unless you've decided between 2PM 8/25 and now to not run a third senator, in which case you have my sincere apologies. ​

I would agree with you that both alliances made their choices and it is what it is. The problem is when members of your alliance come in and decide to tell us how to run ours.

You are welcome to have whatever opinions you like regarding the actions we took and you are free to inform anyone you want of these perceived "indiscretions". We were presented with a legitimate sanction request (source cited above, thanks Tywin) and acted on it with our legitimately elected senator. You freely admit in your own post "your senator (CCC)", yet you contradict yourself later stating that they are not our senator at all. The fact that you chose to mount a campaign for your senators, which included messaging our own nations to try to get your three (out of five) senators elected so you can control the senate​​​ shows that you are acting with only your own alliance's best interests in mind. I'm glad to have never been part of a blue coalition personally since I imagine all it amounts to "do what Polar says or find yourself on the outside looking in". It is also unfortunate that you are unwilling to listen to "my version of events" since that version is the only version of events. If you have further questions on why the sanctions were requested on these specific members, I suggest you take them up with the requesting alliance, Doom Kingdom. As far as threats of consequences, all actions have consequences. I did not state, nor imply any threats in my post, yet it is you who threaten consequences for our actions.

If you could please, provide the document we signed that binds us to this? Take your time. I'll wait.

You don't seem to understand the idea of a senate sharing agreement, which is not surprising considering that you've probably never been able to work amicably with anyone in your entire life. You see, we agree to vote for their senator, and in exchange, they honor any senate related requests we have, including sanctions. So you see, when DK came to us and asked us if we could sanction some people in our sphere, we said, "Sure, we'll just go have our senator that we vote for along with another alliance take care of that for you". CCC as an alliance had nothing to do with this request, as the request came from us. As far as doing favors for people, we were on the same side of a war, and although it was a fairly easy war, it was a war to protect our ally against unreasonable aggression (something I'm sure you know plenty about, being in Polar). The sanctions seemed justified considering the ridiculous CB Monsters Inc. used, so we asked that they be carried out. You are welcome to resist our actions as much as you like, but you will not control the actions of us or our fairly elected senator. I think we are abundantly clear to the rest of the blue sphere on how we intend to use our senate seat, and any blue sphere alliance is welcome to come discuss it with us if they have any questions. I would go so far as to say that it is Polaris who is loose regarding senate seats. Or should we ignore the fact that you messaged our entire alliance requesting that we vote for your senators so you can control the majority of the senate and ensure that only choices that benefit you are made?

I said we jointly vote, not who we jointly vote for.

The request was made to the NADC from DK, not to CCC. We and CCC jointly vote for senate. If you have an issue with the way the sanction was handled, you are welcome to come to us about it. Bring your No.2 pencils though because, as per our new Senate Sanctions Information Request (SSIR) process, you will need to fill out the relevant 77-page form (1065-B.2) in triplicate, and mail or fax it to us, then wait 5-10 business days for us to process the request.

Go team!

Nice to see this finally go up.