But you see, Vox Populi currently has 23 members, NPO has 911 members. So NPO didn't "lose" according to the mechanics of the game, and Vox didn't "succeed" according to the mechanics of the game--Vox still got pushed down and out, and NPO still has the member count and strength count they had before you ever did get a senate seat. Any claims by Vox that you "won" by getting a single senate seat in Red team is simply a pathetic attempt to feed the delusion that Vox ever was or ever will be important.