C2Talon

To be honest, I don't know why I even bother answering those with a superiority complex like these, especially when it's quite obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about and just trolling. Yes, I loved to grow large back then. I played the game to grow and there is nothing wrong with that. Back then I reached peak rank 250 in CN and had already fought in two wars. Some people like to increase casualties, some like tech or infra, to each their own. But I did not reject to fight for Grämlins, because I was not a coward and believed the reasons justified. I was going to do the rest in the same manner, but that would just get to sound silly. I'll skip over your parroty of lies to save face about not going to war, and just highlight some of the rest: [quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297417087' post='2629197'] c2Talon kid, [/quote] For someone calling me "kid," you don't exactly come of as anything but one yourself. [quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297417087' post='2629197'] But you being a pleb would probably be a good little boy and follow orders like a good sheep does. [/quote] You assume too much. [quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297417087' post='2629197'] I have never been good at being a sheep who follows orders blindly. [/quote] Anyone who does is a fool. [quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297417087' post='2629197'] But i will fight for friends like WTF, PC or DeJaVu etc. [/quote] Must be pretty convenient to finally do what you want. Now that you have every single wonder in the game, probably a multi-billion dollar warchest, and can only be attacked by 300 nations in the game. All built on cheating and cowardice. Congratulations. [quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297417087' post='2629197'] You hit peace mode when you have no targets in range! yeah i always hit peace mode when there is no one in range for me to hit too [/quote] Not surprising you would say that. You're calling me a coward? Well, it takes a coward to ... know a coward? But wait, if you'd have gotten any experience in war before getting into your ivory tower, you might have some idea why an alliance would use that as a strategy. It's not too hard to figure out if you rub some braincells together — provided you have those. It's quite obvious you don't know how wars work, even with your "extensive" experience in those two whole wars you've had in your entire time in CN in the "last few weeks." So, to avoid getting off topic further: quit trolling. You're terrible at it.

[quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297347579' post='2627945'] A bunch of bullocks. [/quote] You say you won't fight for NPO or another crappy AA? What about Grämlins during the Karma War? Shortly before Grämlins entered, you said you were ready to fight the good fight for them, etc. Then you left them as soon as it was confirmed that Grämlins was going in. Were they not the paragon of CN at the time? You can't fight for one of the most respected alliances at the time for what seemed like the most just of causes at the time? Seems more like that you finally got caught with your pants down and was attacked while off guard and couldn't weasel your way out of it. Also, still using a second nation to cheat yourself continuous free tech? Or did you move up to using multiple? One last thing, this plebeian is in peace mode in the moment because there were zero open targets in range when my alliance entered war. It has something to do with fighting on own terms instead of getting hooked by a single nation and end up causing less damage to less nations than wanted as a result. But then again, I already know you don't care about strategy or tactics.

[quote name='christian trojans' timestamp='1297066640' post='2623823'] NPO has 190 nations in peace mode. Your top 40 are in peace. I mean why would anyone wanna step in and help an alliance that has over a 3rd of their nations hiding in peace mode. From my experience it seems that NPO hide in PM and expect others to do the work. [/quote] Says the one that abandons your alliance every time you catch wind that war is coming. 6 days in your current alliance? Who'd you abandon this time? The only time you ever bothered to fight are those who were already outnumbered and only after they had already fought months of war; the one time was just to "get back" at an alliance that first exposed you for your cowardice. Also, if you think a non-tech-heavy nation can stay in the top 40 of their alliance after a week of war, you're even more ignorant than you let on.

Ha! You'll be damned lucky if this circle is even completed within two weeks. Your unwillingness to work with people without harbors alone hinders you greatly. Two weeks to make a trade circle is actually considered fast -- just look at other threads in this forum and you'll see that. Or if you want to look at some worst-case scenarios, you can look at two of mine: [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=37189]thread 1[/url], [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=44216]thread 2[/url]. I'm unsubscribing to this thread, so I won't be back. Good luck though, seems you'll be needing it more than I.

Team: Blue Nation Name: Atheneum National Leader: C2Talon Link to Nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=400012 Your Resources: Iron, Lumber Needed Resources: Ideally looking for 3BR+Fish on blue. Will also go for 5BR+Fish.

[quote name='DeathLord59' date='26 April 2010 - 12:02 PM' timestamp='1272283345' post='2275900'] Sorry, mate! But this set requires a harbor... [/quote] Wait, are you kidding me? I specifically said that I would have a Harbor is a few days at most to avoid the exact stunt you just pulled, yet you still did it anyway. That is absolutely amazing. You, sir, have me baffled beyond words.

Iron/Lumber here. Should have a harbor in a few days at most. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=400012

Great. Now it's very near 3am when the deletion script goes off and I've gotten no replies and I still can't log into my account. Well, it's been fun I guess.

So, I literally click collect, and then suddenly the game doesn't respond and I can't log into my account. Last screen seen before it happened: Please advise.

Nice catch. Here I was going to post numbers, but completely forgot about Intelligence Agencies. Now my numbers will be extra accurate (and saddening), heh. Not even -1% tax rate of a large nations income can even be close to made up with +2 happiness. There's a reason everyone's at 28%/30% tax rate after all. Here, have some delicious numbers for what I would be collecting at each tax rate. Multiply this by the number of days inactive I might possibly be when this spy operation happens. Then tell me this is not overpowered: ***DATA REMOVED*** All from just one easy spy operation. Anarchy is the next closest penalty, but we all know that one only lasts a few days. I would honestly feel sorry for anyone who would have to put up with that. The problem is it's dealing with percentages, so the bigger you are, the more you lose. The government change comes in second if I go from the best government for collecting to the worst at 1,051,864.69 per day of inactivity. All the other spy operations don't even come close, not even destroy money reserves at 1 million, since that only happens once. Some would argue infra/tech/land/whatever makes you lose more because you end up having to replace it, but I'm just talking about what would happen at the next tax collection. Those already have immediate impacts as they are. I don't know about you, but being in DEFCON 4 when wanting to be in DEFCON 1 during war kind of hurts, since all your attacks and defenses are impacted for that day. Now, with the soon to be "you have to collect to change them," you're just going to make that "turtling" tactic more a necessity than anything. I don't know, here I thought naval blockades and getting rode to collect in anarchy at 19 days inactivity were cool enough consequences for war, but I guess this new and easier to use super blockade that can be used outside of war is cool too. Also, This only really applies to very small nations that have nearly zero improvements and/or wonders. Edit: Hit the reply button WAY too early. Will edit when finished... Edit2: Okay, fixed post... Edit3: Removed data for kicks.

Okay, wow, no. I can see what you're trying to do with the whole making spies somewhat useful, but these are some horribly overpowered changes. First, I want to say how overpowered the IRS operation is. With it, you can potentially lose 1/3 of your collection in one fell swoop. The next worse thing would be anarchy, right? Well, the only way to get into anarchy is to get defeated in glorious battle, unless nukes are flying of course. Even if you are being attacked by 3 people, it is entirely possible to stay out of anarchy if you're decent enough. After X number of days you're automatically out of anarchy as if it never happened. The closest thing that compares to the IRS spy operation is naval blockades (as far as its effect and permanency). Those are pretty hard get a chance to pull off against someone who building their navy every day during war. It can definitely take more than a week for this to happen for even someone in 3v1, so it kind of makes sense to have blockade penalties last until collection, just for the amount of effort and time you need to put in to get to that point. Going back to the IRS operation, how do you make someone lose up to 1/3 of their collection? Oh, just win a single spy operation. What? Seriously? Oh, and it even stacks on top of other income penalties such as anarchy, >5 days peace mode, and naval blockades! Bonus! The IRS operation causes something close to a gimp anarchy effect that you can't get rid of and stacks with other income penalties, yet only takes a single spy operation to pull off. You don't have to go through the effort of going through someone's entire army or navy to do it either. Seriously, the IRS operation is way too overpowered in its current form. Now, making certain spy operations last until collection is also overpowered, especially because all it takes is one successful spy operation to do it. Really, doing successful spy operations is almost as easy to pull off as firing cruise missiles, and that's even if you are outmatched. I can make my nation pull itself out of anarchy from being defeated in combat after 3 days without having to do anything really. Should I not be able to do something even simpler such as change my nation's religion, DEFCON levels, tax levels, et al to something I want at the same time? Those would be child's play to pull off compared to pulling an entire nation out of anarchy. If you want to make the spy operations last for longer than just that day as they are/were, make it last for a certain number of days. Making any effect last until someone collects should only be reserved for things that actually take some effort and time to pull off. I do, however, like the additional spy operations per active war. It only makes sense that people should be able to at least spy on everyone who they're at war with at least once. Edit: Also, those extra spy operations should be reserved for those who they are at war with to prevent potential craziness, but leaving their normal 2 free to do with what they wish.

Alright, well, we just lost one due to inactivity, so a broader range has opened up. Currently seeking: Iron, Lumber, Marble, Spices Edit: Also, for right now I'd rather not have someone join with both Marble/Spices, because the Iron/Lumber combination has been impossible for us to find. If you have Marble/Spices though, I will consider you if and only if we find a Iron/Lumber first.

Still looking for Lumber and Iron. Messaging me in game is probably the fastest way to contact me right now for this, since my time is severely limited as of late.

Yet another bump. Still looking for someone with both Lumber and Iron.

Bump.