sodom gomorrah

Awesome.

I can join in with sugar//spice. //that would make me double-signed up too, but don't worry, i'll fix it.

[quote name='50willie' timestamp='1288468281' post='2497447'] Updated [/quote] I jan jump in, can jump to any team and has sugar/spice. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_edit.asp?Nation_ID=175205

In sweden, banana beer can be found on systembolaget. just in case any swedes reads this. Also, thank you for your kind words about paradoxia.

Eh. I just can't help thinking of that song i used to like so long ago.. [quote][center] Would you mind if I hurt you? Understand that I need to Wish that I had other choices than to harm the one I love What have you done now?! I know I'd better stop trying You know that there's no denying I won't show mercy on you now I know, should stop believing I know, there's no retrieving It's over now, what have you done? What have you done now?! I, I've been waiting for someone like you But now you are slipping away... oh Why, why does fate make us suffer? There's a curse between us, between me and you What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done now?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done now?! Would you mind if I killed you? Would you mind if I tried to? 'cause you have turned into my worst enemy You carry hate that I don't feel It's over now What have you done? What have you done now?! I, I've been waiting for someone like you But now you are slipping away... oh What have you done now?! Why, why does fate make us suffer? There's a curse between us, between me and you What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done now?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done?! What have you done now?! What have you done now, what have you done?... I will not fall, won't let it go We will be free when it ends I, I've been waiting for someone like you But now you are slipping away... oh What have you done now?! Why, why does fate make us suffer? There's a curse between us, between me and you I, I've been waiting for someone like you But now you are slipping away... oh What have you done now?! Why, why does fate make us suffer There's a curse between us, between me and you[/center] [/quote] Edit1: It's"what have you done?" by within temptation. Edit2: They're dutch (the band). How fitting.

I honestly doubt that TOP will surrender to anything else than symbolic terms, if reps are on the SC agenda, then it's much more likely that it's the fan path. Oh, there's nothing like having your middle and low-tier kept at ZI

Wow, that's 18 pages of discussion on our DoW.. I'm not sure what's your fuzz, it's not like anyone of the DoWed isn't very very happy for this after all.

During GW2 or something like that, someone sat down and made a TOP war flag. Most people flee when they se the banners over the approaching armies. WARNING, SEIZURE INDUCING IMAGE: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5686/44113159qy2.gif

We had a topic about this recently, but I will make another, rather than grave-digging. I have promised to host a Werewolf forum game at our protectorate VOC's forums, and i would like to invite you all to this joyful celebration. Now I've spoken to people in many of the major alliances, but would like to extend the invitation to everyone. ' The party hosted is more or less an occasion to meet new people from different alliances, people that might not be dragged forth so easily otherwise. We have quite a few government peeps coming from alliances like Umbrella and FOK, and in general; people from all around. The werewolf game we'll be playing is a long-time thing, it goes on for two to four weeks, but doesn't require any insane activity, although activity sure makes it more enjoyable. I hope i doesn't kill VOC*s boards or anything now, but.. welcome to City 17. It's safer here. Oh, and there will be Pie, cookies and beer. And sky if i can convince her she ain't otherwise occupied:) (It's remarkable how most things are more enjoyable in the company of charming women, isn't it? ) /Sodom Gomorrah Ps. Take this, it is dangerous ahead http://board.voc-concord.net/index.php

I know everyone has drama to roll around in for now, but hey, get over here and get to know peeps. Right now we have some of those awesome VOCcers, some bosses from TOP, as well as representation from ODN and NpO. Hopefully those OBR:ers i talked to will get over too. There's new-year-driks&pie for everyone!

It's very good to see this, it has been a pleasure to work with you guys. We could not have wished for a better protectorate, nor better comrades.

Updated.

Updated.

Updated & Bumpp. The C& is still up to date, i've postd it in OP too.

Updated.

TOP is once again making a drive for trade circles, this time joining up with VOC. If you are looking for an orange trade circle, you are more than happy to join in (if your resources fits If You want to join a circle, please post in the following format: [b]Ruler name:[/b] [b]Link to nation:[/b] [b]Resource 1:[/b] [b]Resource 2:[/b] [b]Circle you wish to join:[/b] Here's the part that i'll update Circles C1: 3BR+uranium Bonus resources: Beer, Fast Food, Construction Circle Stats Aluminum - Simon De Montfort Cattle - Simon De Montfort Iron - GeoDeathiC Lumber Marble Pigs - GeoDeathiC Spices - Deus Imperator Draco Sugar - Avernite Water Wheat Uranium - Deus Imperator Draco Gems - Avernite C2: 3BR Bonus resources: Beer, Fast Food, Construction Circle Stats Aluminum Cattle - tiailds Iron - cmack7 Lumber Marble - Callofktulu Pigs - cmack7 Spices - Ywain Sugar - Ywain Water - tiailds Wheat - Nick381 Wine - Callofktulu Uranium - Nick381 C3: 5BR Bonus resources: Asphalt, Automobiles, Beer, Construction, Steel Circle Stats Aluminum Coal - Abyssmal Fiend Iron Lumber Marble Oil - unclebryan Rubber - Consul of Monkeys Water - Rhizoctonia Wheat - unclebryan Pigs - Consul of Monkeys Fish - Abyssmal Fiend Gems - Rhizoctonia Completed: C4: Pop-3BR Bonus resources: Affluent Population, Fast Food, Fine Jewelry Circle Stats Cattle -Sergei Yurinov Coal - Balnaar Fish - Dioney Furs -Tactical Evil Dan IRON Gems - Guru VII Gold - Tactical Evil Dan IRON Pigs - Balnaar Silver - Reisklok IRON Spices - Reisklok IRON Sugar - Dioney Wine - Sergei Yurinov Aluminum - Guru VII

Fixed Anyway, congratulations to both parties

and ODN plz don't betray.. anyone!

This is so great everyone Will get pie!

Congratulations to both parties.

Well, an interesting topic actually. And yes, that's OWF relative. Everyone knows that smaller alliances usually have a better military coordination due to smaller size which gives a shorter path from high command to footman. The members are usually more loyal to the alliance as it's probably more tight-knit. But to compare an alliance with say 100 members with MHA, Sparta or IRON seems quite odd, since the big difference in size of the alliances makes it separate shows to keep 'em running. Sure, small alliances IS more effective in %, but in a 1 vs. 1 showdown between say MHA and TPF, 10 or even 30% more effectiveness won't matter, being outnumbered 6 to 1 with about equal avg NS means you're getting stomped. If we instead compare say 6 of those 100-man-alliances with MHA, the effectiveness of those six alliances depends big time upon the effectiveness of their milcom and their governments ability to cooperate. MHA don't have to coop with anyone in this scenario, they have their milcom standing and their structure done. My point is that who's under/overrated between smaller and mass alliances solely on the smaller alliances ability to cooperate versus the mass alliances internal organization. With Karma wars in the back, I think that we've got plenty of proof that both of these might fail, if Karma milcom with Archon and LM (& co.) would not have centralized it as they did, then considerably less of karma forces would have returned from the battlefield. When it comes to elite alliances, I think you must accept that you can't compare them to mass alliances. For example, no other alliance, possibly except for WTF can match TOP or Grä top tier(ehh, pun?). It's the same as the comparison between TPF and MHA in the beginning. What gives the larger elite alliances and citadel in general i s'ppose) a head start, is the fact that you'd have to form a coalition of a large number of smaller alliance to make it even in numbers. If their united milcom is capable of this, then one can speak of over/underrated here. Generally though, I think that mass alliances are slightly underrated by most, they have the time to prepare their military structure, just look at NpO's nuke drive for example. Their internal aid programs has given them some of the finest middle-tier on planet bob. Programs as that is much easier to be done in mass alliances; i.e. it's the best for military growth if you do it right. And since we just have maybe one great war each year, the growth in that long period between them is much more important than that month of fighting. When it comes to elite alliances, I think they are generally overrated, they can't do much against most foes since they can't hit most of them. However, i still think citadel is underrated. Citadel is more or less the only top-tier mass-bloc out there, which means it's the nemesis for all small elite alliances and upper-middle-tier alliances, nones simply got the numbers to do it without forming another 103-alliance-coalition opposed to cit, and with the treaty web as it is, that's might be a problem And yes, I'd love comments, but i did this with as few names as possible for a reason, I have absolutely no interest in having some trollish debates this time

Addeed Piotr II wich completed c3. Added cipherultra and the peacemaker to c7 added friar to c8. Messages going out. And pie.

so, i've come out of my temoorary inactivity and updated this. We are indeed still working to fill the circles. People who sign up gets pie.

All hail Dr.Dan, Warlord of all Gree Sorry, bad movie in background is bad. Congratulations to the elected, and thank you Coursca, Saber nad Longbowe for great terms.

I will message cyberparox and ask him to message you, zee, for refill. check on the KH area of top forums.