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Heh way to dance around the actual points with insults.Quite the opposite, he addresses your points with specific arguments and examples, whereas you insist with generic statements that you don't even bother to document (let alone "prove"), at the same time implicitly and explicitly accusing him of being intellectually dishonest.
I think that your ideas are clever and that you are an intelligent poster, but your absolute refusal to give Shatt credit and to approach his posts openly is handicapping your contribution to the discussion, which is a loss for everyone.
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heh interesting post. And GPA is totally the lapdog of WTF
OK I think I called for it.
heh interesting post. And GPA is totally the lapdog of WTFOr MK since they allow us to do whatever we want and get away with it. GPA=MK enablers
What have we done.
I don't know if I'd say neutrals aren't "interested" in CN politics. You're "neutral" and you've written a piece like this - so you have interest. Also, neutrals have to live in the same world as everyone else. So if a hegemony becomes powerful enough, or is good enough at their PR (or both) to really change the culture - neutrals have to deal with it along with the rest of us.Neutrals just take a different approach. From what I've seen in practice it isn't so much staying "out" of politics but instead becoming everyone's "good neighbor" for lack of a better description. Friendly enough to keep anyone from disliking you but not so friendly as anyone expects you'd take their "side" in a fight.
That is walking a fine line.
Well I wrote "not interested in CN politics" but you're right that that is a poor description. I should have said "not interested in taking any side in CN politics".
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Welcome back, Nin'.
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Welcome!
You will soon realize that this little world of ours is full of nice and mean people. Just like Real Life. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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That's my point, Rush. Your "wanton destruction can't be honourable" argument is a RL correlation, or at least it looks like that to me.
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Rush, if we play IC, why can't we imagine that IC mentality/values are just different from the RL ones? CN isn't much realistic, after all.
My point is not about people playing IC. I could care less. My point is the arbitrary use of "classy" and "honorable" because they represent a clear permeation of OOC morality over in-game realities. There is no "classy" and "honorable" in war, especially within the game. Senseless slaughter is (as it should be because its a game), a part of the IC reality of Bob. The very way war is fought is indicative of that. Wars are not fought to defend. The game offers no strategy mechanisms for a defensive war. Wars are fought to damage your enemy as much as possible even when you are the "defender" There is NEVER... in any situation, honor and class in simple destruction.
Wait...
You couldn't care less about people playing IC, but you explain what should or not be "part of the IC reality of Bob". Why should we take your angle on role-playing as superior? People can legitimately associate "class" and "honour" to whatever they please.
Celebrating war, combat and even (what for us modern people are) atrocities, at the same time condemning disloyalty, isn't intrinsically incoherent: during the history of humankind there have been countless RL groups and cultures that practised atrocities and praised loyalty. Atrocities are also often committed without the public being really informed/concerned.
Just think of terrorists and Nazis. Or consider that attacks that were bound to kill civilians have been justified/rationalized (and even cheered) even in modern democracies (WWII - or all recent conflicts, for that matter).
OOC originated "class" and "honour" aren't arbitrary either: it's just that a game's "make believe" can't be completely invented from scratch, and people pick or discard RL concepts as they see fit for their own amusement. This is "as it should be because it's a game".
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Rush, if we play IC, why can't we imagine that IC mentality/values are just different from the RL ones? CN isn't much realistic, after all.
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Dang it. Thanks Mogar.
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I'm unsure about which genre this blog entry would belong to. Ktarthan help me!
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By the way, why «Et Tu, Single White Female?» (Apologies if it's supposed to be obvious.)
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Actually, there are a number of people from alliances across the CN treaty web who would say that if one is just finishing a tech deal from before a war was declared, the right and honorable thing for the nation to do is to finish it.
Truly providing war aid during a war is one thing, truly finishing off a tech deal is another. People get way too up tight about the second.
Also, you message could have been said a lot more diplomatically.
This is what I might have replied:
To: You From: me Date: 6/21/2012 11:38:02 AM
Subject: RE: Your AID to an LSF Nation
Message: I am neutral in this war. I made a tech deal with the LSF nation before either war was declared. You are correct that sending aid is considered an act of war. However, this is the completion of a deal and not "aid." If I refused to pay a debt I owe because you, an enemy of my buyer, happened to attack during the in between, the LSF nation could accuse me of taking your side. Thus, in order to maintain my neutrality I will complete this deal and not do any further with anyone on either side of this conflict until it is over.
Have a nice day........
White Chocolate isn't wrong: when a party you're in a deal with is involved in a war it isn't really easy to remain neutral whatever you do.
Unless you made it clear in advance that you will suspend any deal until hostilities are resolved, which is what all people should do IMHO (to save everyone's time - and blogs!)
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If there weren't alliances like CoJ around to take things seriously, everyone might as well be neutral.FYI being neutral is serious business...
On topic: I don't dare insert myself in this discussion (or the wall-o-text mass could reach the critical point), but I'll have you all know that I have been reading it with great interest.
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Like it or not, but OOC cultural cache has a lot of pull in the politics and so long as it does, people are willing to uphold relationships that don't make sense without it.Isn't that kind of my point? OOC cultural aspects can (and should) influence what's acceptable or not in the game, and people may also be unwilling to uphold relationships, if they're unacceptable for OOC reasons.
Simply put, the game staff has no jurisdiction over what happens off game and away from these forumsgood joke
Do you mean that they have jurisdiction on off-game stuff? Do you know what "jurisdiction" means?
I can say no all day long, and it does nothing.What you do isn't nothing.
If things happen OOC that's another step entirely and almost always something IRC because the moderators can control it here.exactly: nobody is going to say anything on the forums, they'll do the harassment on IRC because they cant get in trouble for it(unless it's in #cybernations)
Seen from another angle, that situation works in favour of my vision: this place is an haven where OOC offenders are forced to shut up or to play by the rules of civility. That's a powerful weapon in the cultural battle to "occupy" this medium to defend one's vision. Occupy CN ITT!
<SNIP> All it takes is to just tell yourselves and your allies that your in-game mass will not be used to support OOC, IRL atrocities. Just stand up and say no <SNIP>. Just say no.Save for the references to the MK, we're starting to agree here.
(I don't deny that there are OOC offenders that play this game as MK members; I don't deny that the RL virtual community which, more or less, takes shape as the MK alliance in this game, does little to nothing to adverse or even just to dissociate them from OOC abuse; I deny that they're the only ones and I strongly deny that all of them are OOC offenders, or more responsible that any other bystander for any OOC offence.)
It's the first time HoT has said something correct in about three or four years. No need to reprimand him.I disagree with the place he decided to discuss that, and I partially disagree with his vision (see above), but I respect what he cites as his OOC motives.
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That was a good read, My Dear Shantamantan. Thanks!
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Thanks for the interesting comments, which probably show that I didn't make my point clear enough.
I am not against the treaty web and it's OK that leading alliances have a big pull on everyone else. My issue is with that large majority of alliances that accept to be always with their hands tied not because of how they tried to place themselves in the web - which would be logical - but because of the way someone else engineers the chaining of their treaties for the next war.
Us "hippies" aren't here for war, but it's sad that "all" the other people people that wait for months to get some "combat fun" are then manipulated into giving up what little "freedom" to choose was left to them.
Even if it's to end up fighting on the same side, people may think a bit more out of the box (basically: what Roq said), and make it their choice to do so.
Anyway, whatever!
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I don't use mIRC but I installed it just to check it for you...
What Zoomzoomzoom said is your best choice IMHO.I found a bunch of channels already listed but it's quick to delete them all (shift-select, click "Delete").
You probably want to check "Join on connect" for every channel you enter and also to check "Enable join on connect" in the mIRC Favorites dialog. I have no idea what "Pop up favorites on connect" does or may do, but it probably doesn't hurt to just try it.
I didn't find anything in the settings that seemed to control the order in which the channels come up, though. I'd assume they are loaded in alphabetical order (which I guess isn't bad to then quickly retrieve the one you're looking for, especially if you normally join a lot of channels).
I normally use chatzilla (Fx extension) which does allow you to order the channels, which I find to be user-friendly and which - unlike mIRC (from CNET) - didn't cause my AV to go hysterical about "riskware" (and even ask for a reboot after having removed the culprit) when I downloaded it. If you're a Fx user you might give it a try...
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I'll start by saying that slander and insults have not much to do with free speech IMHO.
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I used toy soldiers more similar to these. They were a lot of fun to play with. There are probably some hundreds still there in my old home in some box.
That was really a lot of years ago.
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My entry: "he's criticized for something that's not the content of his posts".
OK I already won this, you all know it. Please send the 50 tech my way and save us the hassle, will you?
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Good luck!
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Darn, I knew that Adblock was going to cause harm at some point in time.
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Really well written! Good job.
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We're supportive of world peace, but it mentions nothing about the path taken to arrive there.If you want to make your answer more complete you can also elaborate on the "embraces" part.
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I will decline to comment...
In Praise of VE
in Shadow's Vault
A blog by Schattenmann in General
Posted
Well I am not sure what you're talking of but I definitely have zero ability to do anything, considering that I basically haven't time for CN anymore. I just had a uncooperative drive and I had a few minutes to waste while the system tried to fix it, but now I am back to RL business.
(Not that this is anywhere near the point, though...
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