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This Senate is Infinitely better, it has a Citadel worth of experience.

Hell yeah

I don't know anything about wrestling but I'm curios what kind of person you'll pick for me.

TOP's embassy at MK was second only to NpO in terms of activity. There was a ton of interaction and friendship that grew out of it before the treaty. The large exchange of diplomats is why everyone knew about it ahead of time.

I strongly disagree about TOP/MK but this is the wrong thread for that. I'm looking forward to the day that they get shown to be a paper tiger like FARK was in the grudge war. Unfortunately people can't look past the big stats and try to keep them on their side. Congrats to Sparta and DBDC.

We must role WAPA again in honor of your return.

I enjoyed the satire Shokkou. At least, I hope it's meant as satire.

Yeah it was cancelled after Equilibrium I believe. That's what I remember happening and the wiki doesn't list it. Also non-stickied threads on the ODN boards are old treaties. Without Roquentin at the helm Umbrella would have potential to be good but Roquentin is the biggest stat hugger on Planet Bob. He's just better at manipulating people and hiding it than Valhalla is.

They aren't my ally.

Valhalla and Umbrella could form a nice neutral stat hugging bloc.

This sounds too much like something from NG I call shenanigans.

I think Tywin might have been beat in that department.

Congratulations Polaris!

Oh hey another one of these threads. It's been a while.

Yes, joining the loosing side takes more courage than joining the winning side. No one is claiming that what they are doing is "courageous". But neither is it cowardly, gutless or spineless. If they had a reason to join the loosing side it might be but they don't.

You could plausibly call it opportunistic, but I don't see how "gutless and spineless" describe what you're talking about.

I don't think it's fair to call it gutless and spineless to enter in a limited way like this when they have no moral obligation to get involved at all.

He didn't say anything about ignoring their friends when a tough war comes along. His point is that by having friends who will back each other up militarily in a war, they aren't escaping from the treaty web or how treaty webs work with global wars. Treaties are just a formal way of publicly stating your ties and friendships. The ties and friendships are generally what determine what side you will be on in a war, not the formal public declarations (treaties).

:rolleyes: No one in ODN is claiming to be a victim.

I don't disagree (though they sometimes leave during war too.) Doesn't change my point though.

He left multiple alliances on the eve of war to save his stats before joining DBDC.

I'm not sure which is more idiotic: Mogar or the DT people who made the arguments Mogar is parodying here.

The most surprising thing to me in any of this is that anyone is surprised that CT turned on DBDC, given his track record.

He certainly was (is?) one of CN's best leaders.

Your post was a good exhibit of the part of his post where he talked about all the people who have difficulty with reading but that's about it. It's ridiculous the lengths people are going to completely spin things out of context with this. I get that people want to see DBDC burn and I can't say I blame them, given the way DBDC has bullied and attacked alliances like RIA, Polar etc. On a personal level I'm to some degree sympathetic, and I can't say that I'm too enthusiastic about being in an alliance with a treaty with them. But I also can't blame our government for trying to find a peaceful end towards this and in spite of the spin schatt and others have tried to put on it, I think Peaches and OS are and have been reasonable, diplomatic, and willing to listen to and respect WTF's side of things. The spin from Schatt and others is a transparent attempt to stir the pot and keep the conflict going. Again, can't say I entirely blame them, and I would probably do the same in their shoes, but I'm just calling a spade a spade.