AlmightyGrub

I concur comrade, to a point. The reality is reality is determined by those who have sufficient power to prosecute their will. The reality is that once upon a time there was sufficient alliances that could be swayed by the rhetoric of the attacker or the defender to maybe make an actual difference to the outcome of wars, so pretending to give a toss about reasons and justifications was the game within the political game. Now everyone is either directly allied, somewhat allied or non-allied to the central tit, Oculus, and that determines the need to justify or otherwise. I feel very conflicted at this point, I personally signed a treaty with Pacifica, but I also signed a treaty with Non Grata. At the time these treaties were signed they were not in conflict, in fact far from it. Now these treaty partners are at war for the second time in very recent history. I am also conflicted because I have personally used whatever reason I needed to attack an alliance without real connections to anyone with political strength to resist me, and as previously stated I see no particular reason to not hit someone you don't like. The NADC would argue that I attacked for no reason at all for example. If I was being honest, I was glad when they departed the world, they were a !@#$%* alliance who set themselves in opposition to me, intentionally or unintentionally, and so they paid the price. I look across Bob now and I see dozens and dozens of alliances who would all legitimately have a grievance with Polar or myself for the decade plus of tyranny of Sponge and Grub. Some I have managed to become friends with, others will never be part of my fan club. I know that the only reason Polar isn't attacked on a constant basis is our treaties but how can I value our treaties differently and justify it to even myself? Luckily I chose to retire from Council permanently and no longer have control of the keys to the tanks, so someone else will need to make the decisions this time. Our ally has shown us their justification, it is not for me to question their thought processes, it is however inevitable that I will weigh the veracity of their claims against the background of my 15 years on Bob. What happens after that process is anyone's guess, I am pretty much the last person who will ever judge a tyrant for being a tyrant. Hypocritical behavior is only hypocritical to those who think in those terms, to a tyrant anything is an option and anything is possible. We are not all wired the same, our differences are what make us unique and interesting. The question really is, as always, can you do anything about it? I am not sure what the answer is anymore, I am not sure I even care. Skulls for the skull throne works on a whole lot of levels for me, until it is my skull you seek. Even then I guess I will be pretty happy. Knowing you are hated is just as good as being loved to someone who was almost someone once.

It is hard to be full of class when you are full of !@#$. It is simple displacement theory really.

I doubt you will ever see the evidence. The narrative doesn't require evidence, it never has and never will. You can either win the war or you can not. If you can't you ask for evidence, if you can who cares? The bigger question is will anyone else care either? COBRA is unloved and has done nothing to inspire loyalty or friendship from anyone who matters. NG still have some friends, but will their friends risk everything to charge the gates of hell on their behalf? But there for the grace of God go I?

I have zero issues with anyone being rolled for their mere existence. There is a point where people need to be able to exist though.

You having your balls out getting sunburnt is not quite the same thing. !@#$ alliance is !@#$

Junka, you have had zero original thoughts that made any sense. You can claim whatever you like, it won't make it true. There is nothing anyone can do about you because it already has been done. You can never exit peace mode, you can never grow your nation, you can never fight a war. You can not project power because we took it away from you years ago. You have been systematically stripped of every last vestige of respect and honour. You have been ejected and rejected by anyone and everyone. You have no one left to impress because there is literally no one who would piss on you if you were on fire and plenty who would if you weren't. You are simply trying way too hard to impress yourself, no one else is bothered what you claim. If there was another thread at all for people to post in you would have had zero responses except for people belittling you... actually exactly like this thread. We will do nothing about you because we already won that battle, you are so firmly defeated that you can never be a threat to anyone but yourself ever again. It is time to crawl back into the crater we so carefully prepared for you and sleep eternally with dreams of when you were almost somebody to someone once. You can call yourself whatever you like, I will always call you #$#%$%*&

Hi Junka You have seldom been right, you are simply a twit who thinks he is someone. The evidence has always been to the contrary. Please consider this official notice that I consider you to be a blowhard moron. Love Grub

Hi Junka You are a disgrace. Love Grub

If only now you could ascend

This is the only time I wished this forum had LIKE function

I completely get it comrade. We didn't do so good this time and believe me we will learn from this one. Cheers for the good times.

I am glad to provide you with so much amusement. See you next time comrade.

Peace is a Lie. Well done guys, you surprised me with your effort, almost as good as our lack of enthusiasm for a meaningless war. I will return to my bridge until next time.

Why not? I believe we have a massive treaty portfolio to call on if we so desired. Just becuase you don't want to particularly doesn't mean we can not activate our treaty. You are then faced with honour it or can it. Whilst no one has to help us when we attack, it is customary when we are attacked, even in defense, that all our treaties activate. We didn't even make the call, except to Fark who wanted in and didn't distort the balance at all. I think the thing being missed here is that we didn't at all want to have another massacre. We don't actually give a toss either way about any of our opponents especially KORT. None of them have ever remotely hit our RADAR... even TTK who we have fought a few times in wider conflicts. I do find it ironic that we setup a fairly even conflict, restrict it to that conflict without worldwide expansion and still people whinge about it. If there is a complaint at all, look at the whole mess that is the treaty web with cockblocks in every direction for everyone. To hit anyone now is way too hard and takes way too much effort especially with all the direct links. Even we are supremely guilty of this, but of course I am such a !@#$% that if I cancelled all of them we would be destroyed within the first few minutes of the ink drying on the cancellation. KORT was the setup into pretty much this exact match up, if they escalated much more they would have tripped over themselves and vice versa.

God you can be a !@#$%* sometimes.

3394... more than worth it Nope. What we did was completely immoral and God isn't on our side in this one.... nah, I am just saying I got what I wanted, nothing more or less. I am glad I got to fight against you guys, you have been on my list for so long now. Watching you guys stay in a war for more than two rounds has been wonderful. It is amazing how courageous you get when things start going your way, I wish you had been able to be so committed when times were actually tough. Just in case you reading comprehension levels are what your meme suggests, I had my own agenda, unrelated to anything to do with Polar, which was to fight CCC. I got what I wanted. I have fought some great wars against people who have actually really put some effort in, although most of them could have achieved much more if they had a clue how to actually fight with an advantage. I am glad you are active, you certainly aren't stronger. I am not sure where you get your data from on the individual battles, but I expect to lose when I declare uphill to defend a mate who was massively down declared on. I also expect to lose when I am not nuking every day or even at all and my opponent is. You seem to be quite chirpy for someone I have never heard of before, but it may shock you to learn that this is not the first time I have lost wars, it is inconsequential to me, I am getting what I want from Bob right now. If you are as well, you should be thanking Polar for our efforts. It is not like you have ever done anything proactive ever in your existence. If there was ever a passenger alliance it is CCC

Whether we are winning or losing is a matter of perspective. We chose to fight the war on the current basis knowing full well what the odds were. As I have previously stated, I personally got what I wanted out of this war. As there was no real animosity to begin with between the Knights and Polar and because there was some simple objectives, we had nothing to lose. I am loving watching people get active and do something, even if the Polar turn out was less that spectacular. Destroy as much as you want, my nation has frequently been a crater since GW2. I love the fact that Dirk just trolled me unmercifully at the end of our war having massively down declared and thrashed my when I had no nukes left. I have no intentions of stopping any time soon, I could not care less what the toll is at the end of the day. Watching the Christians actually fight for a change has been wonderful. Once they are all inevitably hiding in dove mode then maybe enough will be enough. Until then, kill or be killed.

What rubbish.

Would you prefer that I let my nation fall to your lowest ranges? I am here for the fun not to save my cash, this could be my last ride, might as well blow it all.

You got nowhere in particular, I didn't engineer this war but I got what I wanted, the two concepts are mutually exclusive at this stage. If it had been ''my war'' then I would have posted one of my belligerent DOWs. Please note that Polar nations getting wrecked is all they were created for. If you had different expectations for your nation, I am very sorry. Given the current state of affairs there is no apparent end in sight, so expect to keep on wrecking/being wrecked to continue essentially for the foreseeable future. I am still having fun blowing !@#$ up and will continue to have fun for as long as I have cash to spend every day. At the current rate I can probably last for the rest of the year, how about you?

I could respond with the obvious, Sherg nuked me every day and I nuked for the first couple of rounds then handed off. I also declared massively uphill to help Dajobo. However, Sherg fights well and good luck to her. War is fun for people who actually fight hard instead of pussying around.

Would anyone even notice? Unlikely, right now we are essentially just talking among ourselves. No one cares, or no one can afford to care

You are here to amuse yourself, you chose the persona you wanted to amuse yourself with. You found like-minded personas and congregated together. I didn't choose who I wanted to be or how I wanted to present myself, I am just the combination of entire reason and compassion fused with a mindless arsehole hellbent on amusement at the expense of others. Jerge, I didn't attack GPA ever, you were of no interest, you weren't even trying to play the same game or even endgame as me. You were allowed to build to the point where you did, but even then you were easily toppled and your numbers plummeted because you sold your members a lie that was so conditional on the goodwill of others. We don't necessarily have goodwill at all, in fact I pretty much have none. If left unchecked I would have been embarrassingly more aggressive over the years but the GPA represented nothing but a huddled mass of people seeking something that exists nowhere. I also developed a respect for your positions personally, you alone represented the GPA in a manner I could relate to. It changed nothing because I ultimately wasn't interested in a no-win conflict with you. We all have a choice, based on our limitations and our treaty ties, to do something before the world explodes. I have chosen a path of occasional conflict, often resolved with a peace agreement of no consequence. I build up my cash to sustain another war and a quick rebuild, fight and rebuild ready for the next one. I have pretty much done so since 2006. I was once one of the largest nations on Bob, but constant grinding conflict and a general boredom with tech trading has seen me capped at where I am now, which just so happens to be where I am guaranteed multiple rounds of constant warfare in any conflict. These are my choices. There is nothing you can do to influence these choices if I choose to attack your alliance. All you can do is defend, successfully or otherwise. So whilst you have choices, someone else can just as easily control your fate in the short term should they choose to. As for Oculus, it met its goals, it has ensured its position, as have many others by tying themselves to the various partners of Oculus. You are right, this prevents me, at this stage, from running rampant into alliances I truly want a shot at before we all die in the ultimate meltdown. I wanted a particular match up in this war, I got it. If things had panned out differently I would have gotten much more for my investment of almost nothing. I don't care at this stage particularly that we win or lose these conflicts, my obvious preference is to win, but sitting doing nothing for years on end except talking !@#$ about !@#$ with the same people does get tedious. So we blow some !@#$ up, talk tough for a while, hurl insults and at the end walk away with a better understanding of our opponents. As for lacking the power to destroy, I agree, you can only destroy yourself. My track record would indicate that I can be of assistance in that regard though. Ultimately, survival might be enough for you, preservation of a community might seem a lofty goal but the reality is there is sweet FA community left. Numbers have dropped to the point overall where most of the active community and most of the ''players'' have left us. This has allowed others to shine, but it is still pretty dull in comparison to how it was. lilweirdward, within this framework, doing nothing seems negligent. Right now 5 alliances have wars, fairly evenly matched for now and I am having some fun and getting to know some new people. I have much more at my disposal should I choose to go there but for now this is working as intended. You can have a comminuty without logging in every 20+ days. There is no requirement to have a nation to hang out on Discord and chat to people you like to chat with, in fact I would argue that not having a nation involved in the push-pull of CN would make it easier to be friends with everyone you wanted to be friends with. You also need to distinguish between reality and pretense.

Poor Jerdge, still holding onto the fantasy that buying infra and tech means anything without the will to use it (for good or evil). I understand those that prefer to be isolationist and rely entirely on the goodwill of others to respect their boundaries. If GPA was remotely worth the effort I would have crippled your growth and driven your members away over a protracted period of time not unlike what happened with NADC. You however posed no threat to me, I could not care less about raw NS grouped in one place. You also failed to offend me consistently over the years, playing your role almost to perfection to the point I genuinely feel sorry for you/respect your position sufficiently.... for now. However mere existence is not enough within this realm. Playing SIM CITY is pointless, I can destroy your city (and mine) in no time, wiping years of effort away almost instantly. Politics is the only point to being here, war is just a type of politics, the fact you don't like it is not now, nor has ever been, relevant to the machine. Just as I can not dictate what you do, you can not dictate how I choose to live my life. The fact that our worlds intersect violently may not be your choice, hence you have no choice to play SIM CITY without consequence.

Comrade you seem confused or even bewildered. War is part of the cycle of life on Bob. If you don't like war, too bad really, you are either at war or getting ready for the next war. If you are attacked, defend yourself, using both your military might and by assembling your political allies to assist you. There doesn't seem to be any reason not to fight wars, in fact there is no point at all without war. What is the point of working so hard to sign treaties and develop mutual defense strategies if you have no need of them? As for prizes, I consider casualties to be a measure of commitment. If you have zero casualties, you have not defended your alliance, you have not aggressively pushed back against the will of others. There is no point in these SIM CITY existences, none at all. So yes, I consider our delivery of war to your shores to be a gift to you, a chance for you to show your commitment to your alliance and for there to be a persistent reminder of this. I also happily collect t-shirts of the alliances I have defeated or destroyed. I find that wearing them around promotes the kind of resentment that fuels future wars without me having to put in all the effort. If you don't understand the reasons for this war yet, then you obviously have more research to do. Usually I make it very easy to define why we are doing things, this time you could say that the plan is far more convoluted, maybe it will become clearer, maybe it wont. Speculation about the logic of a mad man is usually just a mental exercise dragging you closer to his madness. Enjoy the ride Comrade, win or lose at least you had to do something for a while before going back to your pathetic existence.