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[quote name='OrangeBeard' timestamp='1324014781' post='2879659'] It's not nice but it definitely helps. If the general membership gets depressed because they don't understand how meatshields work, there's a bigger problem. [/quote] But then, how many meatshields would consider as a definitive help?. 5% of the alliance, 10%, 20%, 50%? or doesn't matter?

This discussion popped in the MHA channel when MK declared on them and I thought it would make an interesting discussion on the forums. Are Meat shields viable at all towards an alliance? Main arguments seem to be: Yes - They use up opponents war slots therefore protecting the alliance's real members, enabling them not to be hit as hard. - Bolster stats making the alliance look more bigger then it really is. No - Stat Wise - They cause a great difficulty in actually knowing exactly WHAT nations you have ready to fight. You are unsure who will be there with you in a time of war. - Psychological wise - They tend to Surrender/Not fight. As they are inactive. Therefore, Alliance Strength drops rapidly, depleting morale within the alliance and causing pretty much a depression. Please explain you decision of vote. I am really curious as to if I've got it wrong. I believe No, they do not benefit an alliance. If you have any arguments for or against please post them.

For me it's still a failure. You miss out OMFG and OBR (tho they have no real treaties) who are major players in the Avg Nation strength. Perhaps, because it's 2D and a total mess. Your probably better of grouping blocs as a single entity. If one alliances is connected to the bloc, then all alliances in the bloc are connected to it. And so forth.

I have uranium and coal and I'm in. (just gave 24 hours notice to my current trades) http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=133514

[quote name='pigsticker' timestamp='1305603074' post='2713426'] I like this a lot, but the cynic in me is asking why didn't you do this a long time ago before all the !@#$ happened or before everything couldn't be salvaged? Didn't see much abou boting being referred in your charter, is the old voting structure still in place? If I didn't get my facts wrong, part of your problem was the voting structure was so weighted towards those in charge that those not in power would find it difficult to change things? What are your plans to prevent something like this happening again? It's probably none of my business, but as a Harmlin (yes, i know it's dead, but still it's something i treasure)it would be nice to know that the new version won't suffer the same fate. [/quote] I think the main thing that we didn't act upon is that 1. We all left in different places. And we all went elsewhere. BobbyJ at VE, HellAngel at TOP and so on. The first major Grouping came in the form of The Ninjas. Which currently hold the base of the new Grämlin members. Which Ejay and Egwater designed to be a follow off the ninjas but with everything they felt was wrong with it. The Ninjas charter became a sort of foundation for modification. Considering none of you know what the Ninjas where about apart from the random Goon declaring and getting spanked, you wouldn't realize that we were all equals down to the very last extent. Even having a 'conclave' sort of system never showed any rank. The only difference here to that is the Ninjas charter was designed for a small alliance. This alliance being bigger the conclave needs some extra strength, but NOT ENOUGH to really assert some controlling dominance over the AA. That was the plan. New members only have the disadvantage of knowing that there are Older members who influence better. but that is nothing you can really contain. And yes Harmlin is dead, No CPR attempts will be given. But the bond still is there kind of and we appreciate MHA DoS and Concern and to answer the concern you gave. We don't know what will happen. It is quite possible we could implode upon each other and its quite possible we can restore the former glory of the Grämlins. But we are 100% committed to working to get the old ideals combined with a fresh new look at Grämlins.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1305507719' post='2712503'] So this is nothing more than a coup made by those who leaved Grämlins and let the alliance be destroyed by Ramirus, but now those people are now coming back because they are bored and decided steal the AA for them? I really don't understand how so many alliances are supporting a blatant coup like this one, well I can wonder why... [/quote] I disagree with the word Coup. Coup is about replacing the Government with a new one. We aren't replacing the Government, we are replacing the AA. Taking over it, making changes to the existing way things are done and implementing our own. Its a Revolution.

After a while I've wondered and waited to see what MHA would be like in a war. I guess this is yet another war I'm going to have to wait to see if words speak true. Good luck all.

[quote name='kinofp' timestamp='1295574475' post='2587517'] Nice web, but I'm still sort of waiting for the "official" one that someone usually comes up with for every big war. [/quote] This one is unofficial because I use my own hand instead of some program every man and his dog (the others I've seen so far atm) have used?.

like the flag, good luck.

wooooooot I got a bandwagon following going

Its nothing fancy, but I like doing it: [img]http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/rhbk/warmap2.png[/img] Any mistakes, please post the reply in my blog of this (easier for me to find) found [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=625&showentry=2509]here[/url]

updated.

I did this in the karma war, it was like playing chess.. very complex. I'm hoping this war eclipses Karma because it will make doing this really entertaining. This is done with Paint. Not any fancy - Boring program that will make it look neater or better, or whatever. Just my mouse and the basic program for Windows. I base the graph on declarations made. I don't add arrows if 3 nations from A hitting C because C is defending B. This was the latest (but not the last one I did) of the Karma war if your interested in how big that one got: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6333/warmappng1h.png Any incorrect information.. feel free to let me know. Archive: Day 2 - http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/rhbk/warmap1-4.png

Sorry double post. Clicked quote instead of edit and didn't realise.

In all honesty, we had no real hostilities to Goons. We might have got our butts kicked around but we had some fun doing it. We got our TWO WEEKS OF FAME

Im still interested to see how MHA would do when they actually have to fight in a war, Should be interesting.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1285915417' post='2470859'] I'm [b]VERY[/b] willing to admit we [i]could have[/i] fought you ourselves. That I won't argue, and I don't think anyone else would either. But the fact is we don't have to, and there's no [i]reason[/i] to (other than HONORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR). So we didn't. [/quote] Your honor shames me. It would have been fun if it wasn't for these [i][b][u]Rogue[/u][/b][/i] nations all attacking us as well.

GO POLARIS!! o/ We'll be seeing you on the battlefield Global Order of Darkness

Rebel Virgina is right. Power Corrupts. Lets hope smarter heads prevail. But i wouldent be shocked of Terms inline with NPO, But i doubt it will be as harsh as Karma. Then again.. TOP have alll that TECH *Drools*

Walk on with heart NSO. Your Awesome Hail NSO.

Welcome to the Tussel PC. The fireworks shall be fun and may both alliances gain a nice healthy green glow. I thought u would have more then 1/3 of ur alliance fighting. you guys thinking your fighting an already lost cause?

I see no reason to complaint, tis obvious from many \m/'s signitures that they are back to ruin the game for us. Thats a Threat against NpO. We must ACT!!!

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your trade circle is already the same as this one.. did u make a mistake?

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