Caliph

I can do that too.

The horror. I hate being forced to do things. And when my choices are either do this or my friends get rolled and i get perma war, well don't expect me to be singing your praises anytime soon. There are consequences to actions. The conesequences of me joining LC and honoring treaties are 6 month terms. The consequences of your decision to enact those terms is me getting active again and annoying here. You act like I have to have big Oculus sized NS to do things. Whats next? A gag order for 6 months? Not happening.

The consequences were losing the war. It doesn't mean we have to go sing your praises for the 6 month terms afterwords for the exact same thing you do and have done in that same exact war.

Except this thread and a few others have done nothing but reinforce the differences and ill intent.

This is very accurate.

I'm not complaining about the 2 months of war, but rather the 6 month surrender terms that were non negotiable.

Having this term is like a tech raiding alliance imposing a term of no tech raiding on a defeated alliance. Its so very hypocritical, but Oculus thinks when they do these things its fine but when its done against them its some travesty worth 6 month terms. Meanwhile Oculus and their allies changed AA's numerous times during the war and continue to do so with no 6 month terms.

I openly challange the assertion by Oculus that I was a rogue. I openly oppose terms forcing people to stay in alliances for a period of time just because they joined an alliance after an arbitrary date because they didn't like a war being slightly harder than it was. They tried to hide behind treaties while they rolled our allies and because we did something about it we faced a losing war and forced AA for 6 months. The hypocricy of the actions is what I appose. Esepcially when Umbrella and NG changes AA's on a dime. When IRON Umbrella DT and other Oculus alliances have people switching AAs on a dime to attack others and then join with no consequences, yet they claim the act of switching aa's is a rogue action and is worthy of terms. Might has never made right. Might just makes what is. And since there does not exist a force left here that could militarily defeat Oculus, Oculus can do whatever it wants with no consequences what so ever, so at the very least I've earned the right to !@#$%* about it.

For someone who supposedly doesn't like me you sure do follow me around quite a bit.

I'm under the impression when Oculus gov change AAs to attack other alliances they are not declared rogues and rejoin their original AAs at will with no consequences to their actions. To date there have been no terms for Oculus members and gov members leaving their AA's to join others, warring till they were done, then rejoijing with no consequences, no terms, no restrictions of any kind. Yet when I and former DK members join an alliance legitimately and honor treaties to fight for an ally we are treated differently as if our joining an alliance legitimately is different from Oculus gov members and other members switching AA's whenever they please with no consequences whatsoever. The hypocricy is what I am pointing out. Oculus does this all the time yet for some reason they hate this behavior. If they really hated it they wouldn't do it. Simple as that.

To what end? 3 Oculus and friends on me for months until I either go to inactivity of sheer boredom or until they get bored of sending nations at me? I could fight for months but its not like Oculus has any shortage of nations they could send at me. I am just one nation, and me fighting Oculus on a personal crusade will not significantly impact Oculus at all. Nobody will care. Me fighting Oculus for months would not be a rallying call for any alliance or coalition. And on the off chance somehow it was and I was the next "dave" or someone, there does not curently exist a credible threat who could militarily defeat Oculus so it would be pointless. Save the strength for something meaningful. Simply put, it would result in me being bored and would not hurt Oculus in the slightest. It would not be impactful or change the result of any plans Oculus has. I'd rather save my money and be ready to fight anyone else who tries to attack my friends. IWhether its Oculus or some other entity attacking my friends I would rather face them in battle than be too busy being a punching bag for Oculus for months and not be able to do anything impactful about it.

And yet he gets to be out of war whenever he wants with rebuilding tech aid slots in his inbox whenever he wants via your tech banks. There are no real consequences for his actions here other than gaining more casualties. He'll have his slots filled since he's on the winning side and his suppliers have not been beaten down.

Its almost like peopel dislike being treated like garbage after they went out of their way to show respect initially. You set the tone of this relationship and have done nothing but prove my stance right every time you post.

You made yourselves my enemy my attacking my friends. Friends > infra. Remember that? Of course you don't.

Would that make you happy? Its almost like treating someone like crap who has gone out of their way to show respect has consequences..

No I understand that, but having double standards is not a good way to win friends and influence people.

you didn't go down on Oculus gov enough. Got to give each of them head for at least a month each before you get to become. And make sure you swallow.

What can I say? My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. What about when Matt Miller joined DBDC to attack WTF? Was Matt Miller a rogue then? What about when SCM joined DBDC to attack WTF and the many others? Was he a rogue then? Why is it when NuclearPoweredKinJongIl from Umbrella joinined DBDC to attack WTF not a rogue action but when I joined an alliance and honored a treaty a rogue action? Why are they allowed to do so without consequence yet when its done against you suddenly people become rogues? Cuz I can name names of Oculus members joining raids when convenient and somehow they aren't rogues but when remnants of DK including myself join a legit alliance we suddenly become rogues? Eat a dick.

One reason why a full democracy just does not work here.

I joined an alliance with my fellow former alliance mates who disbanded and that alliance honored a treaty to defend an ally. Would you have rather DK didn't disband and countered Polar only to get countered by Oculus? The end result is the same, DK nations beat down.

I don't care if you take reps, but to claim that I deserve terms because of reps of the past that I never took is stupid and incorrect. Nothing wrong with reps, but I never took them and to say I deserve this or that because of reps is retarded.

Nothing wrong with reps, but to say I desesrve !@#$%^&* terms because of reps is just plain factually incorrect.

Wars do have consequences. So does giving !@#$%^&* peace terms. And yeah, I get Umbrella's stance on peace terms, I was there for like 3 years.

I was never in an alliance that took reps in a war. Unless you want to go back to 2008 when I was an NPO member for a few months.

I was in alliances that didn't take reps. Protip, Umbrella never took reps. That was one of the alliances I was in in some of the wars you mentioned. Do the math. Claiming I owe some debt to be paid for reps when I never took any in my entire time here since 2006 is nonsense. Especially sice you are currently allied to people who have taken the most reps in that same time here.