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Peregrine

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    Yalaria
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    The Order of the Paradox
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  1. [quote name='Rush Sykes' date='11 March 2010 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1268303243' post='2222029'] This is not about people picking apart every word. You said the word disband.[/quote] Again you missed the "kind of" words again. That is picking the word you want, and ignoring the context. You did that originally by focusing on the "disband" word, and ignoring the fact that I also said "some" left, but those that did not are "STILL FLYING THE SBA FLAG". You can keep focusing on my word mistake if you wish, but I made it quite clear that SBA was still going in that mail. [quote] You made a conscious choice to use the word, presumably with reason. [/quote] Again, I said in the previous mail that it was an off the cuff comment. Again I cant help but feel you are deliberately ignoring what I am saying, or trying to put words in my mouth by saying I must have made a conscious decision to use that word. As I said before, it was an off the cuff comment, that I have now corrected. Please let us now put that aside. [quote] The only legitimate reason to use the word disband, would be if you actually felt they had disbanded. If you made a horrible choice of words...so be it. [/quote] And I agreed the word was incorrect in my last post. I say so again in this one. Please let us now put that aside. Since I have now have the opportunity to correct my use of that word. Will that make any difference to this debate? Will that make you or PC change their position. I admitted I was wrong with that word. Will anyone else now admit that changes their position? I suspect not. I dont think you really are looking for the truth, just something to support your chosen position. If you were interested in the truth, then my posts here would have made it very clear what happened, and that SBA did not disband. [quote] But they were YOUR words. And if I am PC...and the guy who signed the Echelon protectorate on behlaf of SBA, tells me that SBA "kind of disbanded", I give that considerable weight. Couple that then with the fact that the wiki said it had merged/disbanded...The echelon commonwealth wiki had the signatures stricken from it.... then I am 1000000% behind PC feeling as though they owe no reps. [/quote] I'm not even in SBA now. Did PC not consider that the SBA and Echelon members saying the treaty is valid might have more wieght that someone who left months ago? The facts again: 1) SBA say they didn't disband. 2) The game stats show they did not disband and most members are hundreds of days old. 3) I have admitted my wording in the mail was wrong. I have clearly stated that SBA did not disband. 4) SBA say the protectorate is current and valid. 5) Echelon say the protectorate is current and valid. 6) SBA nations referenced the treaty in their about section. Now, I've said all I am going to say on this. The facts are all in my posts above. If you dont want to believe them, that's your choice.
  2. [quote name='Rush Sykes' date='11 March 2010 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1268300305' post='2222005'] My problem with this answer is...it does not match what you appear to have said to Citizenkane of PC in an ingame PM..unless you can tell me he faked this.... This is what you said to him...word for word..unless you can tell me it is faked... I was in SBA, and I guess you could call me one of the leaders, although we never had a formal structure. The alliance kind of disbanded. Some went to Echelon. Some went elsewhere(ie me here), and some are still flying the SBA AA. ^^^^^ is that message faked? Because I have a screenshot of this message from you to CK. And what that message says, is not the same thing that you said in your previous post. Look man, I am not looking to confront you, if you said something to CK, that you probably shouldnt have said, and it was an honest mistake, then just say you said it. Did you, or did you not send the above message? [/quote] No, not faked. Just a different way of saying the same thing. I said "kind of" you'll note. That was in reference to what I said earlier about some people leaving to go to Echelon, and some leaving to go to other alliances. However, the majority stayed under the SBA flag. Let me say again, and once and for all, so there is no mistake.... THERE WAS NEVER A FORMAL DECISION TO DISBAND. SBA DID NOT DISBAND. My comments to CK were just offhand comments for my part. I did not know that people were going to try and pick apart my every word to e-lawyer a CB. If I had, I would have been more careful with my language. So let me put my hand up now and admit my exact wording was wrong in the mail. SBA did not end, and you can prove that quite simply by looking at the alliance seniority in the SBA members. The Puppets (3/4/2007 2:14:51 AM (1,103 Days), New Drakithistan (12/23/2008 6:15:59 PM (443 Days)). In fact, all but four members are over 120 days. I cant help feeling that the facts are quite clear, and that people are simply trying to muddy the issues. SBA say they never disbanded. I agree. The game stats agree. Echelon agrees. That really should be the end of it. [Editted for typo - I really wish I could type ]
  3. [quote name='Rush Sykes' date='11 March 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1268297720' post='2221996'] What is the crux of the situation is...did SBA, as you said, a democracy, vote at one point to disband and merge into Echelon. [/quote] Okay, I can answer that as well I think. Well, at least to the point where I left. Months ago, SBA had been debating the future. The options were, disbanding, continuing or merging into another alliance. Whilst the debate was ongoing with no vote taken and no decision reached, one person, without agreement from everyone else, decided to present an offer of merger to Echelon. As you can imagine, this caused some confusion as to what was happening. It was sorted out, and the merger never took place. At no time did SBA ever cease to be. I can state categorically that there was never a vote to disband or merge. There was never even a consensus to do so. During and after these events a few people did leave SBA to join Echelon, and some left to join other alliances. However, the majority stayed on under the SBA flag. Some who left also returned to SBA later. The protectorate was announced officially on the OWF, and never rescinded officially on the OWF (afaik).
  4. [quote name='Earogema' date='10 March 2010 - 01:37 AM' timestamp='1268181765' post='2220009'] Upon further inspection of the SBA forums- The treaty is signed by only one person from SBA (as noted by the post on the forums by William Bonney) and that person is no longer a member of SBA. I think it is very important to note- Was Peregrine, the only signatory to the Echelon treaty, AND the only person who has posted anything regarding SBA treaties to date, the person that PC asked about the protectorate? [/quote] Hi everyone. I've been contacted and asked to respond to this specific post. I was not aware of this issue before (have not read the OWF for a whole), and I dont have time to go through the whole 25+ pages at the moment, so apologies if this has already been covered. I am Peregrine of Yalaria, and I signed the treaty with Echelon on behalf of SBA. I am no longer in SBA, I left to join TOP about four months ago. When I was in SBA, we were a true democracy. Everyone had a say in the decisions on our forums. However, when talking directly to other alliances we tended to have one person doing the contact, since its confusing to have 20-25 people all trying to talk to another alliance at the same time. I discussed the protectorate with Echelon and agreed a set to terms. I then took those terms back to SBA for approval. After discussion, we accepted the terms unchanged. Echelon turned out to be good friends and helped us out a number of times. During that period, I was the main point of contact with them. There certainly was never any suggestion that this protectorate was dependent upon me being in SBA, or that it was some kind of personal protectorate. As far as I'm concerned, the protectorate was between SBA and Echelon. I just happened to be the person that signed, and the fact that the person who actually signed on behalf of the alliance then left should make no difference. I've never previously heard of any suggestion that treaties become void if the signing member leaves an alliance. I wonder how many treaties would still be valid if that odd interpretation was applied across the board. The bottom line is that if SBA and Echelon both agree that the treaty is current and valid, then it is. Hope that helps clarify the situation. [Edited for typo]
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