monkeybum

The bloc politics here have worked out that RIA is being treated like that annoying kid in primary school, who everyone knows has problems, and all the teachers protect even though he started the fight. He may attack other alliances, but god forbid he should be countered or his allies will throw a hissy fit. I could respect that if it was a military hissy fit, but it seems to be mostly the hissy fit of people making coalition work difficult.

Seriously TOP, first GLoF has to learn through the leaks that we are part of the Platysphere, and then you upgrade other members of the Platysphere without informing us first?

Welcome DT! - We were pretty before, but now the girls will be all over us! O/ Aztec!

Thanks, You were fairly awesome as well. In fact, all of TSO deserves an honorable mention for the way they fought this war.

Congrats to our new Gov't. Onward to victory.

Aren't your exams over yet? come out and play a little?

No one cares about the legalistics. Welcome to the party Alchemy. Our second tier have done nothing but whining they have no targets, now they finally have some. :) p.s I'm more amused MK declared, and didn't launch any wars.

About time, since my TOP targets are turteling..

Congrats to Us, and our new ally!

I was wondering where Rasaa crawled to Seriously, GLoF has been my internet home for so long...hoping for another five great years.

Awesome, all good guys.

Burn LSF Burn...

I like IRON That much more now...

Congrats to AB and Aztec..may we get much blood on our hands together (wow sounds tough) Rassaa- didn't know you were still around.

Victory party on the GLOF Forum! Thanks to our allies - Colossus, WAPA and IRON for a great war all around! Thanks to STA for keeping it classy. We have nothing but respect for you!

Congrats to HB!

Congrats on five years. We are happy to be providing a nostalgic "reset" to your alliance as a birthday present!

To be completely fair...Since about week 2 there have not been any targets for GLOF nations 50K+. Hence the majority of nations you are now fighting relative noobs, many many of them enjoying their first war. Granted, that the numbers are clearly in our favor (not that there are any STA nations actually fighting IRON) however overall the damage done to STA is some of the highest out of any alliances in this war. That counts for something, since the numbers advantage is more or less consistent on all the fronts.

[quote name='Jyrinx' timestamp='1325795578' post='2893472'] Furthermore, it's really not indecent to declare war on a friend of a friend in all cases. As long as it's done without malice and done just to assist an ally in a war, I wouldn't consider it indecent. Now, attacking Colossus itself might've been, but again since you never specified a non-aggression agreement I would say that even that, while regrettable, would've still been a "decent" action since a treaty partner obligation trumps that. In other words: You're basically arguing that it's [i]obvious[/i] that an alliance should not attack an ally of a non-ally when a treatied ally requests that they do so in the context of an ongoing war. Not only is it supposedly obvious, but it's so obvious that you say it's common decency. That's weird; the situation described is so unusual and complex that there's no way you could seriously say that a deviation from what you would do in said situation is indecent. [/quote] Lets be exact..they were attacking an ally who declared with Colossus from the beginning of this war.. - not an ally fighting an unconnected war. In other words they were trying to stop the war Colossus was fighting. This really is clear cut. And they did it on an oA treaty. So..they get free aid from an alliance, and then attack that alliances ally who is backing that alliance up in a war. Sorry, it is clear cut.

The story has remained constant - and isn't even a matter of dispute. You can keep trying to turn this into something it isn't. However at least take the time to read the thread and the facts before you post. I'm also amused that you are claiming I am using legal excuses, when the whole line of argument I've been using, is explaining why the legalistic arguments are absurd. You do get points for the Monkey playing the accordion line. I chuckled.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1325783971' post='2893381'] Think again, hotshot. Ahahaha. We are the arbiters of social morals. [/quote] I'm fairly sure that this was the issue of the entire war. Weirdly I don't remember anyone claiming that IRON/TOP couldn't attack because they hadn't inserted a clause into their agreement with NpO that they may not stab them in the back if it was convenient. It is extremely weird that Colossus, standing up to some fairly awful behavior on the part of KoH is being asked to find such a narrow legalistic excuse. To put it bluntly - common sense needs not be a clause.

You don't need to find a "clause" to uphold common decency. That is the entire story here. KoH acted in unusually bad way, and hence Colossus wanted their aid given in "friendship" back.

if you seriously think that you need to be told that when you receive aid from an alliance you shouldn't then go and attack that same alliance's ally (in a war which they are fighting for them) then you seriously lack a basic understanding of simple social morals.

Ok so I'm a GLOF member, and clearly have a side here, however this is how I see it. 1. KoH got aid out of Colossus. 2. Colossus and WAPA join a war together (WAPA joining to help Colossus). 3. KOH declares on WAPA - all those claiming that they didn't attack Colossus- and hence didn't backstab them are being silly. If you attack an ally while he is fighting for Colossus - that is clearly a move against Colossus. 4. The "reps" are really just KoH admitting that they acted wrongly by attacking those who had just given them free aid (and this was free and generous aid). The amount clearly is not intended to cover the actual amount spent by Colossus on this war, which I'm sure is much higher. As for STA - We still have no personal feelings for you - we are actually all enjoying the war, and everyone in the alliance feels that you were friendly and good sports. Please lets keep it that way.

Onwards to 5. I love the Lodge, my CN home for some 3 years.