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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1338917115' post='2977628'] We get on amazingly well with each other. Peas in the same pod and all that jazz. [/quote] To add to Hiro's accurate description of internal friendliness, I haven't actually noticed an ego issue from anyone.

Welcome to our new alliance mates!

At times we were enemies, at times we were allies, and at times I was a member. Congratulations, Polaris. May you continue forward in prosperity.

[quote name='Bernkastel' timestamp='1335649263' post='2960523'] This coming from you, is the second best laugh I've had all day. Thank you so much for the lovely joke. [/quote] Given that I have no idea who you are, this is a confusing statement. Another one of those people who have been listening to the same few people that have had a hard-on for my destruction for no reason for years?

[quote name='Bernkastel' timestamp='1335057113' post='2956884'] That you are important. When you really aren't. You good sir, are a has-been. NsO is certainly more well respected and has far more class and dignity than you will ever have. All you need is class and dignity, something that might be a fairly foreign concept to you. Eh, we all have dreams or wants and those typically don't come true, ridiculous or not. [/quote] Roq has more class than 99% of Planet Bob.

Vox was an enjoyable time. I've never been in any other group of people here that was so willing to put everything on the line for what they believed in. I made a lot of art for it.

As someone who is former government, I would love to be in an alliance like this. I've been searching for it since I retired back in 2010.

[quote name='Partisan' timestamp='1305727139' post='2714309'] JB. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop spouting half-true stories to prove a point. We did indeed sentence Dacian to a single ZI for betrayal of Exodus. In the middle of a diplomatic crisis, he - a government member who was privy to sensitive info - left our AA without notification. That in itself already is in violation of the following article of our charter: On top of that he did it to join SUN, an alliance in direct opposition of us at the time and proceeded to aid them. That is betrayal in our eyes and to be frank, both SUN and him should be happy we're not pressing for spying as a seperate CB. Your claim that we did not talk to SUN or ASU gov. is entirely false. The ZI of Dacian was agreed to in the negotiations of terms. Dacian then fled to the ASU AA. We had talks with ASU gov. over the issue as well and agreed to having him sell his infra and let him go his merry way. Try looking for trouble elsewhere. [/quote] "Spying" that you have only coincidental "evidence" of, something I was told by your leader, and now you're "letting him sell his infra." You went after him because you thought he was a spy and now are backing off that side of the argument to claim something different because you realized you have no real evidence that it even took place, and conveniently ignoring the fact that Elbarto and Dacian both left opposing alliances within, what, a week of each other? And now you claim that they "left under different circumstances." Given the fact that Elbarto was the reason the current things are taking place, I would say that puts his leaving right smack dab in the center of things, absolutely no different than Dacian leaving. Something else you keep making a point of is that Dacian was government. Guess what, folks? Elbarto was, too. Good grief, you really have fallen far.

[quote name='HellAngel' timestamp='1305725942' post='2714301'] Well, then the answer is easy If i turned into a Ramirus i would want my members to coup me. [/quote] This is a position I can respect, so long as this is what actually happens if the time ever comes.

Okay, pretend that I had "in the same circumstances, where the former members thought that the legitimate government was out of control and killing the alliance." There, now it's the same, no simplification.

[quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1305705201' post='2714239'] When their announcement went up, I saw an alliance reform with new leadership under the nose of the man who brought this great alliance down. I remember years ago understanding the prestige factor that came with being a Grämlin. Impressive nation building magnified by their incredible power on the battle field. To see them return is, at the very least, an encouraging event in a discouraging world. I've seen coups fail, and I was not willing to stand by idly and allow HellAngel's topic to be disregarded. The fact that two of my blocmates had strong relationships with this alliance was enough for me to throw my support behind this band of rulers, working to reclaim their name. I can say with complete sincerity, good luck to the new Grämlins! [font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2] [/size][/font][size=2]death, what an absolutely [/size]ridiculous[size=2] thing to ask. Ignoring the context of anything is your forte, so I suppose I'm not very surprised you published this question.[/size] [/quote] I don't normally agree with D34th, but he put forth a legitimate question, which you subsequently brushed off. Not that I don't agree with what happened here, and not that I didn't take part in the coup of the GGA after being asked to by shaneprice and Dementual, but you are basically saying you are okay with the idea of former members coup'ing the legitimate government of your alliance in the future.

[quote name='HellAngel' timestamp='1305723967' post='2714290'] maybe we can sum that up to GGA vs its own sphere [/quote] This would actually be more appropriate if it said "Bilrow/ALdbeign vs their own sphere" given that the rest of GGA didn't have any major issues with the rest of the sphere. Of course, we made the mistake of following along during the Emerald Affairs, but most of us atoned for that at some point by taking part in the attempted rebuilding of the sphere. Also, I still don't understand where you see GGA vs. Grämlins. Did they come after you post-2008? During my time in GGA relations were kept amicable in private, even if Bilrow did posture in public, though I think he personally disliked you in public and private.

[quote name='The Pansy' timestamp='1305720770' post='2714285'] Sad day in the commune, but I agree with Jonathan Brookbank [/quote] It is not the first time it has happened, Pansy. Also, as a note, I would like to point the world in the direction of a ruler Dacian of the nation ISMFOF. This gentleman (or lady, I'm not really sure) left the alliance Exodus to join the alliance SUN, much like El Barto (the nation referred to in the original post by the leader of SUN) left SUN to join Exodus. The alliance Exodus then began hunting Dacian, much like SUN went after El Barto. Exodus originally put Dacian on the list while he was an applicant to SUN (while he was on the AA, even), and then actually declared war on him while he was under the alliance affiliation of Atlantic Sphere Union. Unless I am mistaken, Exodus received permission from neither alliance prior to making the move on Dacian. If I am reading all of this correctly, given all of the evidence before me, this now means that Exodus will be paying a nice lump sum of $24 million each to the alliances of SUN and ASU, for the violation of both of their sovereignties by the alliance Exodus in their hunt for and war declaration upon their member Dacian. I am sure the two alliances would not be opposed to splitting the $24 million, if you ask, if you cannot afford the $48 million fee that would result from paying both their rightful (in your eyes) amounts of $24 million each. Thank you for your time and I hope you appreciated this informational update.

[quote name='Partisan' timestamp='1305714756' post='2714266'] So...Exodus went after DirtyOldMan after he left the GGA to join your little failfest? Dang. We're worse than I thought. [/quote] No, ironchef did when she was leading GGA. And, yes, The Dominion was a failure...that's why it was bigger on day one than Exodus is on day 216. You're better than this, Partisan, really. [quote name='ironchef' timestamp='1305714771' post='2714267'] Well if anything I’m consistent JB. Two things we have in common because you are still an ass. Don’t even change. [/quote] Not the first time I've been called an ass for speaking the truth, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Also, this is the opposite of consistency, this is hypocrisy. In the DOM situation, I was defending a member and YOU were the aggressor, just like SUN.

PZI was out of line, but these reps are way too high given the circumstances.

This is actually exactly like the same situation as when you came after DirtyOldMan back when he joined The Dominion after leaving the GGA. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I think this might ruin some opsec, but I'm pretty sure this is the precursor to SUN getting rolled with Exodus at the forefront of the attack. Let's see how well my crystal ball is working these days.

[quote name='HellAngel' timestamp='1305663949' post='2713799'] You're kidding, right? I cant even count the times we were threatened with war... [/quote] Must have been ironchef and forward, then. I pretty much consider that not the real GGA, anyway.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1305661839' post='2713775'] Typical imbecility from Polaris. I imagine you're probably just still angry about the beating you (personally) took during the WotC. Yes, I instructed milcomm to make you a special target and assign three very large nations to step on you. You deserved that special attention. It was fun to watch. [/quote] Typical posturing from the NPO reject.

[quote name='kevin32891' timestamp='1305661425' post='2713772'] Hey if it means anything I miss you. [/quote] Is it bad that I stopped being able to tell if people were attempting to trick (apparently the other word isn't allowed here anymore?) me with this statement about a year and a half ago? Truthfully, though, as much fun as it was, I no longer stand opposed to everyone in the world; my eight month hiatus got all of that out of my system.

[quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1305611676' post='2713508'] you've got some of the usual ones like: TOP vs. NpO Valhalla v. STA GOD vs. DT+NoR also you can have some of the more amusing Doitzelesque ones like: CSN v. 'Sovereign' [b]JB v. The World[/b] etc. [/quote] Still haven't gotten rid of me yet, the lot of you!

[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1305615065' post='2713536'] MK vs. NPO TOP vs. NpO Gremlins vs GGA stickmen vs. purple Ramirus vs. humility [/quote] There was never much of a real rivalry between Grämlins and GGA, at least not during my time there. Considering Bilrow gave me the job of "policing" them and I liked their alliance, it amounted to nothing much more than some huffing and puffing from Bilrow.

I am pleased to see the reclamation of a once great alliance, but whether this is going to be a return to greatness or not depends a lot on who you choose to associate with this time around. I always liked you guys, so I hope you make good choices this time around.

Wait, I thought NPO lost the war? These terms look very similar to the sort NPO used to impose upon other alliances and which the victorious alliances of this war fought to erase during the "Karma" War. Hypocrisy.

oDoA? So you are signing a paper that states you are now "able" to do what you already could do without it? Is this really what Planet Bob has been reduced to, every alliance throwing away its sovereign right to defend a friend without an OPTIONAL treaty in place? Guess I'm just getting too old.