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[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1300455454' post='2669058']
I will be honest, I didn't read anything but the OP. It actually seems pretty fair. Fight the war walk away, wipe the dust off and start building for the next time.
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A month long beat down for every single member of the alliance after the war ended for not wanting to enter the war, fair and balanced when it comes to MK as usual Airme <_<

And before you say Im not unbiased regarding them I know Im not but you think you are.

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[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1300456064' post='2669066']
Like this war of no CB, provocation or reason, right?

Yes it seems fair after such an offer-- let us destroy the rest of NS you have left so your destruction will be complete.
That is all, very fair.

There is no walking away. "Giving them no chance-- ever". Remember?

Be it formal war, or peace, this isnt stopping. DH DoW is clear, we got the message.

You mean, until you hit a size too large for comfort to some and then you will get hit out of the blue, without CB as understood, no provocation, no reason, with a DoW that basically says-- we will not allow you a chance, ever.

At least I can not get disappointed in you, AirMe, as some get as I have no expectation from you.
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I am sure I am not the only one to notice that you describe yourself as a soldier beneath your avatar. I find that quite humorous in light of the fact that you have yet to come out off peace mode. A barracks soldier. Must be nice. Your signature is funny as well for much the same reason. I suspect that the only thing you have killed while in hippy mode is time. Out of the sheer generosity and the pure kindness of my heart, I made you a brand new signature graphic which at least is honest.

[IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPObranimir.png[/IMG]

I looked over your nation. Impressive.

[list] Ruler: branimir
Nation Name: Ujedinjena Slavija
Nation Strength: 66,896.513
DEFCON Level: DEFCON 5
Number of Soldiers: 40,000 (70,824)
Number of Tanks: 3,000
Aircraft: 105
Navy Vessels: 41
Nuclear Weapons: 25[/list]

Yes, quite impressive. I’ll bet you are quite busy just keeping you armaments dusted.

From the above it is very apparent that, like Ivan Moldavi, your "blood still runs with the cold resolve of Order."
How many nukes have you eaten in this conflict?
How many comrades within the NPO have you rescued from bill lock?
How many of your comrades have been comforted knowing that you are in the trenches right beside them?
Are your minions comfortable with the fact that your current nation strength is higher than it was prior to this conflict?
Are the real NPO soldiers comfortable with your decision (and those of your elite peers) to never fight in this conflict?

Oh, you are a killer all right; a real soldier's soldier. I bet you look all pretty in your garrison uniform.

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[quote name='Dr Beefstupid' timestamp='1300334461' post='2666906']
On behalf of Legion, I will say we will NEVER leave peace mode!
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You say this, but I have never heard of a legion that would back away from honorable combat. Enjoy your offensive defense.

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[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1300473631' post='2669208']
A month long beat down for every single member of the alliance after the war ended for not wanting to enter the war, fair and balanced when it comes to MK as usual Airme <_<

And before you say Im not unbiased regarding them I know Im not but you think you are.
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I think it what Airme is implying is that fighting for a month, albeit every NPO nation, is better than the alternative. The alternative? Fighting indefinitely until MK either gets 1) Bored? 2) The war isn't worth fighting anymore? 3) A Break of Peace Terms enMass to come to NPO's Aid?

All of those are unlikely. So fighting for one month...seems...better....
I personally don't care - I'm seeing two sides fight, without PM, they'll fight harder...I'll probably end up somewhere in the top 5% and all will be good and peaceful once again.

Ultimately, NPO will weigh their options and make a decision. When that happens, I'm sure we'll argue about that as well.

-Pfft

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[quote name='Lord of the Dance' timestamp='1300459671' post='2669087']
This is the greatest thread ever! Not only are we kicking bum in the proper war but we are definitely putting the smackdown in this clever war of words. Kersock!
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Nah. The GGA thread was still more funny than this one. Much more infact.

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[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1300473630' post='2669207']
Im sure MK/Umb and a couple others will love their tech growth shunted/stopped for months on end pumping billions into GOONS and their lower tier while other alliances around the world increase theirs faster, afterall they love their tech.

Well GOONS started the war on the 24th which is 53 days ago at around 274 members now there is 379, there are 175 nations less than 53 day senority which means that prior to this war there are only 204 original nations, so that 70 re-rolls/deletions and 105 new members, the 175 new nations are going to be useless in the war.
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But they'll be great for the next one!

I can't say how UMB/MK feel about sending us cash but I do know, logistically, they won't have to for much longer. Two reasons: one being that PB is probably going to come in and tip the balance so hard it's gonna fall off the figurative table and two, that HC's nations aren't getting the same aid. They're gonna run dry once we cycle through all of them. Like, a big GOONS washing machine cleaning load after load of horrible nations.

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Look at the petulant little children as they struggle to find something unjust in the terms we've offered. Their desperation to paint this in a negative light is palpable and quite hilarious.

We'll be waiting for when you decide to uncross your legs and let the boys hang loud and proud.

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[quote name='Antonio Salovega VI' timestamp='1300474483' post='2669211']
I am sure I am not the only one to notice that you describe yourself as a soldier beneath your avatar. ... Yah de yah de ... I bet you look all pretty in your garrison uniform.
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Are you seriously attacking him for being in peace mode? Two months on, seriously? You know he's following orders. Branimir has been fighting for 5 years, his casualty figures prove he's not averse to a bit of rough'n'tumble. Such a horrible personal attack from someone so ... mediocre.

I love it, you beat them down for no reason, drag a load of the rest of us in and then complain when they play it their own way, dragging up tactics from 2008 to goad them out of peace mode.

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[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1300475704' post='2669226']
and two, that HC's nations aren't getting the same aid. They're gonna run dry once we cycle through all of them. Like, a big GOONS washing machine cleaning load after load of horrible nations.
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This, you can't lose long term. As long as everybody keeps hiding out in peace mode there is no pressure on the top tier nations feeding you a billion dollars a week. Eventually, the people you are fighting who do not enjoy such funding will run outta cash, and start bill locking. The people fighting you don't have the same inevitability working in their favor.

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[quote name='Kerlan' timestamp='1300472699' post='2669200']
Is your memory faulty, or are you intentionally lying here? You started the war with The Legion by declaring on our MDP ally, yet you ask for 2B in reps. If I have anything to say about it, you will never see a cent of that money. So keep whining.
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To be fair, with what we had seen of your actions up to that point in this war we couldn't have known you'd come to their defence.

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[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1300455630' post='2669061']
No, not really. Because we can basically give our low tier nations unlimited aid, while the nations in the NPO low tier will run out of cash and be unable to fight. At the same time, our high tier nations are doing their usual thing, collecting and growing, increasing the gap to the NPO nations even more, because they don't have to face the peace mode penalties. If they stay in PM for too long, they will wither and die, without even firing a single CM
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if they leave PM, they will be reduced to smoldering ruins quite quickly as well. do i need to present the numbers again?

[quote name='ImperialCubanacan' timestamp='1300455864' post='2669064']
Dochartaigh is very negative. :|
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hehehehe. i am not always negative. i am this way because this is the biggest load of !@#$ i have ever seen.

[quote name='GeoLauzier' timestamp='1300461486' post='2669098']
In this topic : NPO cry the biggest tears ever asking for lighter terms while we suggest them to come and fight for lighter terms.
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what topic are you actually reading mate? cuz starting with the OP, the only tears i have seen are from DH cuz they don't get to destroy NPO like they want. i don't see NPO asking for lighter terms, just laughing at DH's lies of "oh we don't want to destroy NPO; just have them have their upper tier leave PM, while heavily outnumbered, so we can fight for a month". i mean the temper tantrum ya'll be throwing over not getting your desert before dinner is amusing.

[quote name='Lord Gobb' timestamp='1300464653' post='2669126']
Yep, exactly the same thing!
[img]http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa38/Jack_Rivers/john-krasinski_532_top.jpg[/img]
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your right. saying that the leader of an alliance somehow does not represent the alliance in all he does, but somehow Sir Paul, who was never Emperor, magically represents all of NPO when he writes an obvious tongue-n-cheek tabloid.....

yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense. hypocrite much? sorry if Sir Paul represents NPO; then Archon, no matter the title he uses, sure as hell represents MK.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300469285' post='2669159']
We have the "right" to demand whatever we damn well please. It falls upon NPO to acquiesce or refuse, weighing the consequences and circumstances as best they can.

What irritates me is that the Pacifican government, whom once daftly navigated an extraordinarily complex geopolitical system in order to impose its tyranny, is now saddled with advisers and allies who cannot see beyond their own face. When the most prominent voices of your coalition are Alterego and HeroofTime, it is time to reconsider your roster. When your best strategic advice comes from The Phoenix Federation, it's time to put together a new team.
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really? DH is attempting to chop off their own damn nose despite their face, and you are stating NPO is the one with the daft diplomacy issue? seriously, did DH take some lessons from the CSN fiasco? i am seeing people from alliances that are on PB/DH side of the war, facepalming over your actions. i would suggest ya'll take off those blinders and realize how stupid ya'll actually being.

[quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1300469968' post='2669164']
Basing any argument on the conduct of those two is just sad. I've seen good detailed posters on our side who have put forth good detailed points. I can't fathom why you'd ignore them in favor of people like HoT...
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just like how Ardus lied about the stats in order to state "we don't want to destroy NPO, we just want satisfaction", he has to lie about who represents this side in order to somehow state DH is "right".

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[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1300475873' post='2669227']
Look at the petulant little children as they struggle to find something unjust in the terms we've offered. Their desperation to paint this in a negative light is palpable and quite hilarious.
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I don't think anyone has said they are unjust, the argument is why should they trust the aggressors.

What is hilarious is another callout thread.

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Not sure why DH even bothers asking for our upper tiers to come out of peace mode. It did not happen during the Armageddon war and that conflict we were in much worst shape politically and militarily.

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[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1300430786' post='2668860']
Moo showed his intention of pulling out before consulting with bw who was also involved, majority of TORN thought they were being abandoned. You can't possibly think archon single-handedly convinced a big chunk of TORN that NPO was going to betray them, it was NPO's previous actions that proved as enough of a precedent about how they can !@#$ on an ally when it's in their interest (see: NpO). You thinking Archon was a mastermind there is just ridiculous.
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No Im saying that Archon took advantage of a situation that presented itself during the initial start of that war that allowed him to manipulate events and people towards his desired outcome...simple really.

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[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1300475873' post='2669227']
Look at the petulant little children as they struggle to find something unjust in the terms we've offered. Their desperation to paint this in a negative light is palpable and quite hilarious.

We'll be waiting for when you decide to uncross your legs and let the boys hang loud and proud.
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struggle? you have not read the actual thread have you. desperation? again, not hard. read thread. i agree with little rena. not really unjust per se. but given the obvious destruction that would be awaiting NPO if they did what ya'll wanted (42-9 in terms of 100k+ nations from just MK/Umb-NPO and 70-28 in terms of 60k-99k again just MK/Umb-NPO)

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[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1300476076' post='2669231']
This, you can't lose long term. As long as everybody keeps hiding out in peace mode there is no pressure on the top tier nations feeding you a billion dollars a week. Eventually, the people you are fighting who do not enjoy such funding will run outta cash, and start bill locking. The people fighting you don't have the same inevitability working in their favor.
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Quiet you! This isn't over yet and there is NO reason to consider surrendering if you are fighting Doomhouse. Don't you understand the STRATEGY at work here.

How dare you sir.

How dare you.

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[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1300472474' post='2669196']
They can stay in peacemode as long as they desire? Personally I think DOOMHOUSE's solution to the problem is preferrable. Though I wouldn't mind seeing NPO, Legion, TPF, Invicta, and Co. strangling themselves with their own "strategy" while our side continues to grow out of reach.

Oh, and while they continue to deliver the war that we've promised our smaller members for some time, boosting ranks like what...40% over the last month?

The Hopeless Coalition is the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand. Keep imagining were not here, keep imagining this war didn't happen, keep imagining you can walk away if you just keep your head buried.
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This post is the summary of what you misunderstand about the position that you're in, Pacifica and allies. Even if you can prove that we have no due cause for making this war against NPO, which you can't because we do, you can't sit back and justify that you are in a war of defense by virtue of aggression you've made. If you're not capable of handling what happens when you have to actually fulfill your obligations under that shiny MDP you signed for giggles and appearances, then don't sign it. Perhaps choose allies that are less likely to be attacked for their past transgressions. You didn't get dragged into this. You chose to be here.

This is more clear in the Legion case than any other. They wanted the MDP, they wanted all of the diplomacy, the benefits, and the self-righteousness, but when it came time for them to do their part, they left their allies to twist in the wind. I can only imagine the hilarity that would have ensued if we had had cause to attack Legion instead, and when NPO and allies came to their defense (if they had come to their defense since NPO leadership thought we were trying to "drag" them into war [by the way no, if we want you in war, we attack you, as I think you see now]) and then what? Would Legion still have locked 99% of their NS into peace mode and disengagement and left everyone to do their fighting? What's your MDP worth, Legion?

I will give you some legitimate respect, NPO. You've done some fighting. There are plenty of targets for me at my range among your ranks. You've lost half your NS over the course of the war and you didn't do that hiding in peace mode. It might even be more accurate to say that the delegation you have hiding in peace mode is the part of your contingent that is cowardly, not that the entirety of you is cowardly. Granted, that's an extremely large percentage of your overall strength, so the point must still stand.

The primary front that we've been engaged on this entire conflict though is a war of slander. We have never wavered on our intent, dedication, purpose in this war. Doomhouse served NPO with a valid declaration of war, pursued it to its end with full commitment and resources, and defended itself against an onslaught of comers as a result. Our coalition and our alliances have accepted the consequences of their actions from day one. We all knew the risks and responsibilities and we have fulfilled them and are emerging victorious. Your allies are not with you, and join you in making excuses. While you sit and wonder and complain why Doomhouse could have possibly done this to you, your allies sit in the backfield, some fighting, some not, and all of them going 'Man, that sucks, those guys sure are bullying you' and not living up to the full nature of the agreement that they made. The MDP looks great on paper, until no one is there fighting for it.

Twelve alliances jumped in on GOONS in honor of various defensive or offensive agreements, be it for NPO or their allies. Those of you who have fought and fought well, you have been logistically and financially left high and dry by your allies. Those of you who have not dedicated yourselves to the fight, have joined NPO's upper remaining echelon in abandoning them.

Our cause is solid. Our determination is solid. Our support for one another is solid.

You have lost this war. This is the truth of things right now. Accept it and negotiate terms with us.

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Why should NPO have to pay reps or have any terms at all? They aren't the aggressors here. They were attacked, not because of their actions, but because of what they might have done. They were sentenced for something that they hadn't done yet. The only right thing to do here, is peace out of this war and apologize. If anyone should have terms or pay anything, it should be DH. If anyone deserves to be attacked, it's DH. Aggression towards NPO right now is uncalled for. An attack on NPO before they entered the war would have been a great strategy, if NPO was going to enter the war. What the CN population fails to realize is, people take time to build their nations. Years... War is used so stupidly in CN. If you're going to destroy something that people have worked hard for, do it for a good reason. I understand that many of you feel like NPO has done this in the past. Maybe, but they have paid for that. Ungodly reps if I remember correctly. Why is it necessary for them to pay any more?

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[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1300429499' post='2668837']
no, we're using the fact that 75% of your NS is in PM vs our current 18% (most of which has been in war recently). Most of your NS in PM has stayed there throughout the war.
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76/186 = 18%?

You probably make pretty harsh curves.

[IMG]http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/mhawkcmaster/mk.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1300476624' post='2669247']
struggle? you have not read the actual thread have you. desperation? again, not hard. read thread. i agree with little rena. not really unjust per se. but given the obvious destruction that would be awaiting NPO if they did what ya'll wanted (42-9 in terms of 100k+ nations from just MK/Umb-NPO and 70-28 in terms of 60k-99k again just MK/Umb-NPO)
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So instead of the "obvious destruction" they instead choose long-term stagnation of nation growth and inability to import tech, or support their nations at war? NPO is looking at choosing between the options presented to them. It's my opinion that a month of war is a better option than peace mode that lasts for who knows how long. NPO has to choose at some point. If they're waiting for white peace to fall onto the table, they're grossly misinterpreting the situation.

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[quote name='Achilles' timestamp='1300476992' post='2669253']
Why should NPO have to pay reps or have any terms at all? They aren't the aggressors here. They were attacked, not because of their actions, but because of what they might have done. They were sentenced for something that they hadn't done yet. The only right thing to do here, is peace out of this war and apologize. If anyone should have terms or pay anything, it should be DH. If anyone deserves to be attacked, it's DH. Aggression towards NPO right now is uncalled for. An attack on NPO before they entered the war would have been a great strategy, if NPO was going to enter the war. What the CN population fails to realize is, people take time to build their nations. Years... War is used so stupidly in CN. If you're going to destroy something that people have worked hard for, do it for a good reason. I understand that many of you feel like NPO has done this in the past. Maybe, but they have paid for that. Ungodly reps if I remember correctly. Why is it necessary for them to pay any more?
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There's this thing called the original post. Maybe you should read it before posting

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[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1300477116' post='2669257']
76/186 = 18%?

You probably make pretty harsh curves.

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Nation strength, not numbers of nations. Nice try though.

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