Rebel Virginia Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) [color="#0000FF"]Hello. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Rebel Virginia, the Magnificent. You may have heard of me. I'm a bit of a big deal in some parts. But enough about me, for there is someone else, rather, or a group, who is truly this world's shinning star as of late. I of course speak of the Viridian Entente, an alliance that has existed continuously, without pause, since August of 2006. Just ask them. They totally never disbanded. They are an alliance known for showing the utmost of respect to their allies, and ever since their founding of Pandora's Box they have been beacon of virtue, honesty, and class in this dark, dark world. I think you can see that I hold a great deal of respect for those fine Viridian fellows, but lately a rumor had been circulating. A rumor of almost unthinkable nature: that the Viridian Entente condones spying. Naturally, I was not one to believe such a preposterous crime could be done by the right good Entente, but I, like Zog the Magnificent-But-Not-Nearly-So-Much-As-I said of himself, I am also one to trust, but also to verify. So I dug. I dug deep. Actually, I just asked Caliph, who kindly pointed me an event I somehow overlooked. So not that much digging, but I was able to find these. I was devastated upon reading them. My faith in the goodness of the Entente was forever crush. Here now are the full and unedited logs that man me realize that the Entente is not what it seems.[/color] [quote] 1. Session Start: Thu Aug 26 22:18:08 2010 2. Session Ident: Impero[VE] 3. 01[22:18] <Caliph> hi 4. [22:18] <Impero[VE]> whats up man 5. 01[22:18] <Caliph> eh, nothing much 6. 01[22:18] <Caliph> just trying to work out this Bob Janova General thing 7. 01[22:19] <Caliph> i'm an \m/ tri 8. [22:19] <Impero[VE]> yea, any idea why he did it by the way? 9. 01[22:19] <Caliph> i don't know why Bob Javova spied on the General 10. 01[22:19] <Caliph> doesn't matter so much why, unless the GEneral told him he could do it, which the General did not 11. [22:19] <Impero[VE]> me either, theres nothing anywhere about it so im guessing there must be some kind of back story 12. 01[22:20] <Caliph> well 13. 01[22:20] <Caliph> i just spoke with the General 14. [22:20] <Impero[VE]> have you spoken with general? 15. 01[22:20] <Caliph> yes 16. 01[22:20] <Caliph> i just did 17. [22:20] <Impero[VE]> ah 18. 01[22:20] <Caliph> he wants reps over it 19. 01[22:20] <Caliph> and so do we 20. 01[22:20] <Caliph> according to our mutual friend Rampage, you do not want to pay reps over this 21. 01[22:20] <Caliph> we are not asking for much, for an agressive VE attack on \m/ 22. 01[22:21] <Caliph> more of a token gesture, for a nation the size of Bob Janoa 23. 01[22:21] <Caliph> *Bob Janova 24. 01[22:21] <Caliph> 3 mill converted to 100 tech 25. 01[22:21] <Caliph> paid to the General 26. 01[22:24] <Caliph> thoughts? 27. [22:25] <Impero[VE]> ok, well nothing was destroyed, and to be frank you guys have simply $%&@ed with enough of our smaller allies and friends to the point where i simply dont see any need to pay you, however in the off chance bob wants to pay on his own, i wont stop him 28. [22:26] <Impero[VE]> i wont compel him to though, but i would compel him to appologize 29. 01[22:26] <Caliph> so let me get this straight 30. 01[22:26] <Caliph> it is VE's position that the 'gather intelligence' spy attack is not worth persuing reps for? 31. [22:28] <Impero[VE]> it certainly is, but im not forcing any member of my alliance to pay the likes of you all, so therefore the decision is with bob 32. [22:28] <Impero[VE]> if he wants to pay it, i wont stop him 33. [22:28] <Impero[VE]> if he doesnt, thats fine with me as well 34. [22:28] <Impero[VE]> i also want to know why the spy even happened, its very not like him 35. 01[22:29] <Caliph> the attack sure did not occur because General asked Bob to do it 36. 01[22:29] <Caliph> and that would be the only acceptable scenario for this to be an act of war against \m/ 37. 01[22:29] <Caliph> i will keep this in month the next time VE comes to us for anything 38. 01[22:29] <Caliph> i will be in touch 39. [22:29] <Impero[VE]> sounds good 40. [22:29] <Impero[VE]> have a good night [/quote] [color="#0000FF"]This occurred back in August of the last year, and was brought up when the Entente attacked WasDrogan of TKTB for "spying," despite him not actually destroying anything or causing other physical damage. Now Viridia attacks Polaris, also for alleged "spying," when nothing was destroyed. It is a mystery as to why an honorable alliance such as the Entente was enforce a double standard such as this. Why will they punish others for a crime that, in their own words, causes no physical damage, yet at the same time protect their own member from the consequences of the same offense? Is this truly justice? Yet there is more. When RoK, a mutual ally of \m/ and the Entente, approached the Viridians on \m/'s behalf, the Entente informed RoK that it did not matter what the esteemed Mr. Janova did. Since the spying was done on \m/, it simply did not matter to them. The concerns of RoK, an ally the Entente supposedly holds in high esteem, were promptly dismissed. It should be noted that in the discussion, following the original publishing of these logs, Mr. Impero did apologize, but not for his actions, but simply his attitude. This man is not convinced, however. While I do believe that Mr. Impero was truly sorry, it was not for his conduct or attitude towards \m/, or even towards his own allies RoK, but simply for the fact he was called out on it in public. In short, Mr. Impero is only sorry that he got caught. Now, I will leave it to you, gentle reader, to read the full logs. I shall let you draw your own conclusions regarding a certain Viridian Entente. For reference: The "apology" of Mr. Impero can be found on page twenty-seven of the following thread.[/color] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=95608&st=0 Edited January 21, 2011 by Rebel Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) These were posted a couple weeks (months?) ago by shattenman, latter half of the TKTB thread ended up about this. Thank you for giving it a shot though. Edited January 21, 2011 by Il Impero Romano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Was is a pretty cool guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 You know just as well as I do that everyone accepts screenshots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Its obviously okay to spy as long as you dont hurt anyone. Just dont spy on VE, gosh its so simple guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It's still a surprise to people that the CB has next to no validity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Great words from a great man. o/ The God Emperor of FAIL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunk the Great Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 No truer words ever were spoken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1295582526' post='2587716'] These were posted a couple weeks (months?) ago by shattenman, latter half of the TKTB thread ended up about this. Thank you for giving it a shot though. [/quote] [color="#0000FF"]You don't see the hypocrisy? I mean, Dajabo clearly had no real interest in Lennox's activities. If you read the logs you could see his lack of caring. The links, which he pointed out were no good, he opened likely suspecting something silly (and not VE related). Even if he was, which is truly doubtful, it did no real harm or damage to your alliance. That is the same line of thought you used to justify Bob Janova's activities. Maybe I'm different, but doesn't something seem a bit off to you?[/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffron X Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It is an interesting point. What's the real difference between taking screenshots of warchests and just using gather intel, besides the method? Not much. (Not that I believe Dajobo is guilty of anything other than suggesting a nation/ruler name and saying what a good place to spy would be. Really. If I said that NPO would be a good place to spy, am I gonna get kicked out of my alliance and attacked for being a traitor? Probably not.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1295583253' post='2587739'] [color="#0000FF"]You don't see the hypocrisy?[/color] [/quote] He doesn't see much unless it's through the bottom of an empty glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 We did wrong, and we took our punishment collectively. It's time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1295584347' post='2587854'] We did wrong, and we took our punishment collectively. It's time to move on. [/quote] You were never punished. But, by God, \m/ now's a good time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Geoffron X' timestamp='1295583821' post='2587806'] It is an interesting point. What's the real difference between taking screenshots of warchests and just using gather intel, besides the method? Not much.[/quote] The latter method produces the information in a much more convenient format. Ever try to cut and paste data into your spreadsheet from a screenshot? Doesnt work too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1295584347' post='2587854'] We did wrong, and we took our punishment collectively. It's time to move on. [/quote] Okay uh, I have no idea how you took punishment for this considering that nobody did anything about it even though your LEADER even went as far as saying that he knew and didn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1295585737' post='2588113'] Okay uh, I have no idea how you took punishment for this considering that nobody did anything about it even though your LEADER even went as far as saying that he knew and didn't care. [/quote] Blame the judge for that. We've learned our lesson. You won't see Janova spying on \m/ like that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It's an honor and a pleasure give to Il Impero Romano the Hypocrisy Award : [img]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8242/imperohypocrisy.png[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Solaris' timestamp='1295585939' post='2588130'] Blame the judge for that. We've learned our lesson. You won't see Janova spying on \m/ like that again. [/quote] Well yeah, and I do blame \m/ for not going through with that CB, but you said you had been "punished." I didn't get how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordiga Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 To be honest I found Impero's treatment of \m/ perfectly acceptable given how little regard they have for others. The non-existent level of damage done by Janova's spy attack can't really compare to the consistent levels of damage that \m/ nations do to unaligned nations. Nonetheless I still think that the "CB" in this present war is contrived, but I wouldn't defend \m/ even if someone was, oh, to force them to disband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James IV Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Lol, Death does it again. Looks like VE took notes from NPO about that whole "might makes right" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Bordiga' timestamp='1295587404' post='2588263'] To be honest I found Impero's treatment of \m/ perfectly acceptable given how little regard they have for others. The non-existent level of damage done by Janova's spy attack can't really compare to the consistent levels of damage that \m/ nations do to unaligned nations. Nonetheless I still think that the "CB" in this present war is contrived, but I wouldn't defend \m/ even if someone was, oh, to force them to disband. [/quote] \m/ had done absolutely nothing since getting pounded by Polar. We took our licks, GOONS didn't take theirs. It's quite hilarious how people still hate \m/ even though they haven't done anything to aggravate anyone in a loooooooooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 The hypocrisy is outstanding VE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryne Farrior Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Excellent method. Rehash until it sticks. You downplay Impero's apology too much. It was not the proper way to handle the \m/ situation, and he admitted that. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=95608&st=220&p=2536748&#entry2536748 It was on the 24th (not 27th) page of the topic, unless my forum settings are effed. Not that anyone will go to the trouble to find it and not that you might actually try to be misleading/tugging people with your passionate words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Not really the same thing but excellent try RV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 [quote name='Bordiga' timestamp='1295587404' post='2588263'] To be honest I found Impero's treatment of \m/ perfectly acceptable given how little regard they have for others. The non-existent level of damage done by Janova's spy attack can't really compare to the consistent levels of damage that \m/ nations do to unaligned nations. Nonetheless I still think that the "CB" in this present war is contrived, but I wouldn't defend \m/ even if someone was, oh, to force them to disband. [/quote] The amount of damage \m/ does to unaligned nations is far less in any given day than that of NEW, GOONS, or other prominent tech raiding alliances. If you hold such contempt for \m/ for that, I hope you share the same level of contempt for other tech raiding alliances too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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