Zoot Zoot Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 [quote name='Shatner' date='17 June 2010 - 04:11 AM' timestamp='1276744267' post='2340246'] Also, to bolster my previous point, attacking the oother nation would be a retaliatory invasion, not a defense. An activation of a defense clause is not possible when the treaty partner is fighting on foreign soil as an invasive force. [/quote] Being in Antarctica, it would be hard to respond with force by any other means, war in this particular situation is a defensive counter attack to prevent further assaults apon Imperial assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) "Let it be clear that the U.S. has no desire for long term influence among this body. We're simply here for the matter at hand. We have no reason to collect influence throughout the world as we have sufficient regional influence for our own defense and that is all we require. What we'll recommend if it is proved that the automated defenses accidentally downed this craft is a payment of a hefty fine to cover the costs and 1 million dollars minimum compensation for the life of each soldier to be given to their families. We're also going to recommend a decommission of all of the SAM batteries of the model in question and all other automated types until they can be reprogrammed with adequate fail safes dictated by Six Sigma Industrial Production standards, meaning that the probability of an accidental strike.. let alone 3.. would be reduced to less than .0004% percent. If it's a radar flaw we're going to recommend a recalibration of the radars using tests applicable to the same standards." "I do agree the Romanovs have been callous in their response, but the level of responsibility on their behalf has yet to be fully resolved. Interference from external sources could, for example, cause a mis-fire of the system by giving a false indicator on the radar and when the missiles found no target as the false blip disappeared they may have picked up on the AWACs. This is what our investigation seeks to uncover, if any such anomalies occurred. It would be completely counter-productive to waste more lives on a grand campaign caused by a glitch." Edited June 17, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Still, a defense clause does not obligate our nation to engage in an invasion of any type. OOC: If you have land in Antarctica, I would send troops there to defend it, but not strike from it. IC: Let it also be known that Labrador does not condemn preemptive action, however, a defense clause cannot obligate us that far. The labradoran ambassador then turned to address the US delegation. "Please do not take my wariness as a form of aggression. France predates even us in the Confederation, yet viewing their actions, I must say they have the negative side of my attention. As for your position, joining CAN as an observer could only sully the credibility of your results, as it would make you less than impartial to our opposition. My objection is not without thought." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 "No offense taken. We're not Artic or Canadian anyhow.. wouldn't make a lot of sense. We can always ask to come back if it's appropriate later." Jones chuckled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 "To clarify, we welcome your presence now, as well as your aid concerning the current situation. We simply can't justify the addition of a nation whom is neither arctic nor even Canadian, as you have said yourself. However, Labrador hopes that in the future, diplomatic exchange will be able to increase between our two nations, just simply not through this channel. I also agree that perhaps a strike would be in the worst interest of the Imperium. We still condone a full blockade and sanctions however, and if sanctions are put on the Romanov's, Labrador will abide." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChris Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Please strike down the United States' request to join the CAN as an observer nation. Instead, please change "The Commonwealth of Texas" to "The United States of America" in the treaty. The Commonwealth of Texas was never dissolved; it simply chose to grow in union with another nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 "If the rest of the treaty members object to this change however, the U.S. will harbor no ill will at no longer being considered part of the treaty." Jones added to his peer's statements. "We leave it to the discretion of CAN as to how they want to treat this change." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 (edited) As a near-Arctic, Canadian nation bordering two members of this organization, Canuckistan would like to apply for observer status. We may consider applying for full membership in the future, but given the apparent crisis its members are embroiled in, we don't believe injecting ourselves militarily into the situation would be appropriate for those involved. Edited June 18, 2010 by Sal Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted June 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 "In regards to the situation regarding the Imperium of Canada, we do not believe that this supposed "attack" can be considered as an act of aggression against the neo-Canadians, and sounds more like an isolated freak accident, therefore the Imperium shouldn't be able to activate their mutual defence clause with the CAN. Besides, this occurred in a neo-Canadian colony in [i]Antarctica[/i]. I would like to remind everyone that we are the Confederation of [i]Arctic[/i] Nations, not the Confederation of Arctic Nations Plus Member Nation Colonies Located on the Opposite Side of the World. On an unrelated note, we support the United States' and Canuckistan's bids to enter the CAN as observers. Oh, and we won't be participating in the war game. As for the vote regarding the Hakaarian Empire... [quote][u][b]Should the Hakaarian Empire join the CAN as a member?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Imperium of Canada, Eggman Empire, Great Lakes Provinces, Blue Heaven [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] Labrador[/quote] ...it has garnered enough votes, therefore they are now members of the CAN. A Hakaarian representative with their government's signatures must arrive at our HQ shortly. Also, I would like to propose a vote that will expel the Wilson Empire from the CAN. Their representative's constant absence, as well as their government's suspicious inactivity, is preventing the CAN from making decisions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitex Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 "Blue Heaven will support a vote to eject both the Wilson Empire and the Imperium of Canada from the CAN. The Wilson Empire, as was stated before by the Disparuean representative, is constantly absent. We also support the ejection of the Imperium due to their blatant act of aggression in invading the nation of the Black Phoenix Empire," said Whitney Azuma. She then went to the bathroom texted to the Disparuean representative: [i]If the Imperium continues on these military adventures, they risk to bring the entire CAN down with them, as they are so ignorant that they will most likely expect that if they are attacked in retalitation, for the CAN to support them. By the way, you didn't hear this from me. - Whitney[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 "The Wilson Empire has been extremely quiet as of late and unfortunately we believe their nation has actually fallen into anarchy, some sort of collapse of government. CANJSF Operations Commander Kirkland has ordered 10,000 CANJSF soldiers to secure the former lands as a CAN protectorate, as per established norms. (OOC: I believe he is past the activity limit). We echo Blue Heaven's argument and find the Imperium of Canada's recent aggressive actions as going against the peaceful intentions of our charter. We unfortunately support having them ejected from our Organization should they continue their war against the BPE. The suggestion for a training war has been noted and Commander Kirkland will begin preparations to arrange one. On a unrelated note, we welcome the Hakaarian Empire and support both the USA and Canuckistan as observers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baskan Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 "Hello, I'll be your representative from the Hakaarian Empire from now on. I would like to thank you all for accepting our country into CAN and we wish to do the best for it. On another note, I would like to support the expulsion of the Imperium from CAN. Their blatant disregard for human life is incomprehensible and is just scary. We fear that they might attack a fellow CAN nation and we would not want that. I would also like to support the USA and Canuckistan for observer status as they are countries of glory. I respect them both and wish the best for them." -Jonathon Banks Representative to CAN from the Hakaarian Empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutai Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The BPE wish's to place an Application to join the Confederation of Arctic Nations, if we would be so kindly accepted into it of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted June 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 "As the Wilson Empire has apparently collapsed into chaos, their name and signature have been removed from the Charter. Anyways, let's start a vote on the current issues at hand, shall we?" [u][b]Should the United States join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Republic of Canuckistan join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Imperium of Canada be expelled from the CAN?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Blue Heaven [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [quote name='Likish' date='18 June 2010 - 08:56 PM' timestamp='1276908990' post='2342383'] "Hello, I'll be your representative from the Hakaarian Empire from now on. I would like to thank you all for accepting our country into CAN and we wish to do the best for it. On another note, I would like to support the expulsion of the Imperium from CAN. Their blatant disregard for human life is incomprehensible and is just scary. We fear that they might attack a fellow CAN nation and we would not want that. I would also like to support the USA and Canuckistan for observer status as they are countries of glory. I respect them both and wish the best for them." -Jonathon Banks Representative to CAN from the Hakaarian Empire [/quote] "Welcome. Just for the formalities, could you provide your government's signatures for the Charter?" [quote name='lutai' date='18 June 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1276909138' post='2342387'] The BPE wish's to place an Application to join the Confederation of Arctic Nations, if we would be so kindly accepted into it of course. [/quote] "Please tell us more about your nation, such as its internal and foreign policies. Just some stuff for the representatives to ponder on." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutai Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 @Pikachurin We are a Absolute Monarchy and our foreign policy's are to improve our land infrastructure's, improve our economy and to form trade relations with other nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedran Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 "The Imperium of Canada has shown that it promotes war and chaos throughout the sub-Arctic and North American regions, and as such the Union favors its expulsion from the CAN." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baskan Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 [quote name='Pikachurin' date='18 June 2010 - 08:07 PM' timestamp='1276909651' post='2342398'] "Welcome. Just for the formalities, could you provide your government's signatures for the Charter?" [/quote] [u][b]Signed,[/b][/u] [i]Angela Lawson Priests of the Gods[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordosaur94 Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 [u][b]Should the United States join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Imperial Hudson Reich [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Republic of Canuckistan join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Imperial Hudson Reich [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Imperium of Canada be expelled from the CAN?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Blue Heaven, Imperial Hudson Reich [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The Republic of Labrador votes yes to all open votes, including changing our vote to yes on the USA's observer status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 [u][b]Should the United States join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Imperial Hudson Reich, Great Lakes Provinces [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Republic of Canuckistan join the CAN as an observer?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Imperial Hudson Reich, Great Lakes Provinces [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] [u][b]Should the Imperium of Canada be expelled from the CAN?[/b][/u] [b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States, Hakaarian Empire, Blue Heaven, Imperial Hudson Reich, Great Lakes Provinces [b]No:[/b] [b]Abstain:[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 OOC read will reply toorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Before we are removed I shall say this, The accident in the Antarctic, before Foundation details were given, were percieved as an act of war, and overwhelming evidence in our favour suggested so. However, in recent hours, the Foundation has apologised for its actions against the Imperium and we have accepted. We do not expect the CAN to defend us at our beck and call, simply when we are attacked, which is what we belived it was. In regards to the BPE Invasion we have no excuse apart from the vital need of greenfarmland, they were weak, so for a phrase, we figured we would take it. It was an unnacceptable move, irreversable. We now ask one thing before we leave. The Emperor wants to know, what each member nation really thinks of the Imperium, honestly, without consiquences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 (edited) EDIT: NVM Edited June 19, 2010 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitex Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 "Well, I must say that while my nation doesn't approve of the Imperium's invasion of the BPE, we don't judge people on what they are currently doing, but rather what they have done and I must say that when everything is taken into account, the Imperium has been a staunch ally and true friend of Blue Heaven. Also, I suspect that the cancellation of the MDP portion of the Arctic Dawn pact was done mainly out of emotion and not from logical thinking. I think, that given a while to reflect on the Imperium as well as allowing the Imperium to change, that the Prime Minister will gladly restart diplomatic relations between our two nations. Also I must announce that I am leaving as well as Blue Heaven is resigning from the CAN. We have had a good stay here, but unfortunately, this organization, while a serious asset to keeping peace in the Arctic, has not done much to work with its neighbors on the continent to ensure continental peace. Though, let it be known that we will be starting up diplomatic relations with Disparu, the Hakaarian Empire and the GLP and continuing diplomatic relations with Atlantis," said Whitney Azuma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Canuckistan is disappointed to see our neighbours Blue Heaven leave the bloc, especially just as we are about to join. Was it us? Do we smell? *private* Canuckistan's ambassador to CAN was fired after asking if the nation smelled. So very unambassadorish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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