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"Survey the area from the air and from space, then send in scouts and decide how many you will need to bring. It would be a grievous waste of resources to mobilize that amount of men if there was nothing there."

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It could also be a greviouswaste of resources if the intel prooves to be wrong Sir, intel has beenw rong before, and will be wrong again, to many men and we waste nothing but money, to little and we risk the lives of such a small force.

Of course once its established there is no resistance to the CAN's moves, the stabilising force can be reduced to a basic garrison unit, for an example, in the Imperiums case, it would be nought but a Legion of 5000 men.

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Then there we have the intel for the number of soldiers that would be required. A meagre force of under 5000 could move into the islands to claim the protectorate, and once the few, sparse settlements are policed, we could reduce the number down to the current Tahoan number of 200.

I propose a vote :
Send a CAN task force to the Tahoan held Arctic Protectorate to claim the protectorate for the CAN

Yes or No

On a side note, any action taken, would only be undertaken after a final diplomatic solution fails to yeild results.

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[quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='21 May 2010 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1274492518' post='2307495']
Then there we have the intel for the number of soldiers that would be required. A meagre force of under 5000 could move into the islands to claim the protectorate, and once the few, sparse settlements are policed, we could reduce the number down to the current Tahoan number of 200.

I propose a vote :
Send a CAN task force to the Tahoan held Arctic Protectorate to claim the protectorate for the CAN

Yes or No

On a side note, any action taken, would only be undertaken after a final diplomatic solution fails to yeild results.
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"If the CAN, as a whole, will first attempt a diplomatic route with Tahoe in regards to their Arctic protectorate, then I see no reason to vote no on this."

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OOC: I'm fairly sure we changed the contribution to 10% of total military of each member state.

(total population-soldiercount)x .8 = max soldiers x 10 multiplier / 10 = 10% total OR amount of CANJSF contribution

IC:

Disparu* - 37,013 CANJSF contribution
Eggman Empire* - 42,850 CANJSF contribution
Blue Heaven - 9,986 CANJSF contribution
Wilson Empire - 38,701 CANJSF contribution
Imperium of Canada - 32,296 CANJSF contribution
Atlantic States - 62,332 CANJSF contribution

Total calculated contribution: 223,178

Notice how this is over 200,000 men, due to a cumulative increase in population no doubt. However, the CANJSF force is generally maintained at around 100,000 men, therefore we propose amending the Arctic Doctrine, Article I., subarticle A to the following:

[quote]A. Ground Forces

a. The CANJSF will consist of around 100,000 men. Each member nation will contribute troops and supplies to the CANJSF based proportionately to 5% of their total military.

b. Current CAN nations, infrastructure, and amount of troops to contribute to CANJSF:

Disparu* - 18,507 CANJSF contribution
Eggman Empire* - 21,425 CANJSF contribution
Blue Heaven - 4,993 CANJSF contribution
Wilson Empire - 19,351 CANJSF contribution
Imperium of Canada - 16,148 CANJSF contribution
Atlantic States - 31,166 CANJSF contribution

Total Contribution: 111,590 CANJSF soldiers


c. The amount of troops from each nation will fluctuate depending on admissions of new member states and growth. The forces contribution will be rescaled every three years (ooc: 3 months) and when a nation leaves/joins the CAN.[/quote]

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"Good perhaps we should hold a vote?"

OOC: I created a Google Document here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AqKuKSdIZrW9dDgydGtzajcyYk9sTTg0V2gzSTA3ZFE&hl=en If CAN members give me your google account name I'll add you as a contributor so you can help keep it up to date. This should make it less tedious.

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[quote name='Californian' date='22 May 2010 - 05:10 PM' timestamp='1274562631' post='2308381']
"Good perhaps we should hold a vote?"

OOC: I created a Google Document here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AqKuKSdIZrW9dDgydGtzajcyYk9sTTg0V2gzSTA3ZFE&hl=en If CAN members give me your google account name I'll add you as a contributor so you can help keep it up to date. This should make it less tedious.
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"Definitely. This will need at least four Yes votes to pass, however, since two representatives are currently absent from the HQ, I believe it would be possible for this vote to pass with only three votes."

[u][b]Should the Arctic Defense Doctrine's Article I be amended to [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=74739&view=findpost&p=2308227"]this[/url]?[/b][/u]
[b]Yes:[/b] Disparu, Atlantic States
[b]No:[/b]
[b]Abstain:[/b]
[b]Need to vote:[/b] [i]Eggman Empire[/i], Blue Heaven, [i]Wilson Empire[/i], Imperium of Canada

OoC: Good thinking. Unfortunately, though, I don't have a Google account. <_<

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"Blue Heaven votes yes, we shall donate the 3rd Airborne Division as part of the CANJSF, though, until we work out where they are to go, they shall remain in Blue Heaven. Also we would like to recommend a couple of changes," said Whitney Azuma.

[list]

[*] The ADD shall be subject to review on [i]all[/i] levels every 6 months

[*] All CAN member nations shall establish a think tank to plan out scenarios (such as a full scale invasion of the Arctic) and simulate how the CANJSF could best prepare for it

[*] The CANJSF shall have its own Special Forces units that are under the control of [i]all[/i] member nations

[*] All member nations will hold an annual large-scale war games affair
[/list]

"What do you all think?"

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The Imperium votes yes for the ammendment and supports Blue Heavens proposition in regards to their latest suggestions.

[b]Should the CAN deploy to Tahoan held Arctic Protectorates to secure them in the name of the CAN if diplomacy fails for the final time?

Yes: Imperium of Canada
No:
Abstain:
Need to vote:Blue Heaven, Disparu, Eggman Empire, Wilson Empire, Atlantic States[/b]

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"The Confederation of Arctic Nations is an organization dedicated to ensuring peace and prosperity throughout the Arctic region and world. Would France please explain their recent actions on the Iberian peninsula? We give you this chance to explain yourself, however we may push for your expulsion from the CAN."

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"Quite simple Excellency." Began Governor de Laudon, of New France. "Iberia at the moment stands divided on all levels between those nations belonging to the Western European Union and rogue nations as Spain and Galicia, whose people suffer as unstable third world nations. Before France had even begun to move troops to secure Galicia, riots had engulfed the cities from their past election. With France's guiding hand, nations as Galicia will no doubt become stronger forces in the world because of the education we will pass on to them. Also, I don't mean to be insulting, but for the Confederation to stand for peace, while you yourselves are already embroiled in an aggressive war that has gotten on of your members nearly completely destroyed. There is little room for criticism."

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"Both the Charter and the ADD have been updated."

[quote name='kitex' date='22 May 2010 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1274568841' post='2308489']
"Blue Heaven votes yes, we shall send donate the 3rd Airborne Division as part of the CANJSF, though, until we work out where they are to go, they shall remain in Blue Heaven. Also we would like to recommend a couple of changes," said Whitney Azuma.

[list]

[*] The ADD shall be subject to review on [i]all[/i] levels every 6 months

[*] All CAN member nations shall establish a think tank to plan out scenarios (such as a full scale invasion of the Arctic) and simulate how the CANJSF could best prepare for it

[*] The CANJSF shall have its own Special Forces units that are under the control of [i]all[/i] member nations

[*] All member nations will hold an annual large-scale war games affair
[/list]

"What do you all think?"
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"Disparu supports these proposals."


[quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='22 May 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1274569874' post='2308505']
The Imperium votes yes for the ammendment and supports Blue Heavens proposition in regards to their latest suggestions.

[b]Should the CAN deploy to Tahoan held Arctic Protectorates to secure them in the name of the CAN if diplomacy fails for the final time?

Yes: Imperium of Canada
No:
Abstain:
Need to vote:Blue Heaven, Disparu, Eggman Empire, Wilson Empire, Atlantic States[/b]
[/quote]

"We vote yes. On a related note, I would like to nominate the Imperium to be the one who will approach Tahoe about this, on behalf of the CAN of course."


[quote name='Californian' date='22 May 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1274576070' post='2308593']
"The Confederation of Arctic Nations is an organization dedicated to ensuring peace and prosperity throughout the Arctic region and world. Would France please explain their recent actions on the Iberian peninsula? We give you this chance to explain yourself, however we may push for your expulsion from the CAN."
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"If a vote of expulsion goes up against France, we will not be supporting it. As Monsieur de Laudon has said, France has merely prevented destabilization and anarchy from developing in the Iberian peninsula by securing the area with their own troops. The last time I checked, the CAN also ensured stability and security in any region of the world. Therefore, France has done nothing wrong in the eyes of the CAN, and does not deserve to be expelled from the organization."

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"Our greatest thanks and honor goes to the people of Disparu. We are beginning to feel that only Atlantis wishes to see France expelled from this organization when we have done nothing to dishonor the people of the Arctic. Nevertheless, our thanks to Disparu for eternity."
-Governor de Laudon

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Ive just received a message from the Emperor, aswell as a map image of Baffin Island.
My orders are to hand over Baffin Island as a whole to the CAN under protectorate status, with the exception of the illustrated area on the map here:
[IMG]http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/zoot_zoot/northan2.png[/IMG]

That stretch is 100% uninhabited due to HBMI restrictions for channel defence systems put in place to combat enemys, terrorists and piracy.
The Previous Northan regime gave us permission to control that zone and all fortifications covering the straights were Canadian.

There has been no civilian displacement, and no mass movement of troops, just the relocation of the Imperiums Legion to the designated area, with the exception of the Gurkha company, whom will remain aiding Police in settlements until CAN units can move to secure the area.

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"On Tahoen issue, Blue Heaven votes yes. Also we'd like to donate $1 billion to help the CAN start of its own Special Forces. Also we'd like to bring up one more proposal. Due to the shocking and horrid nuclear atrocity that happened to the Imperium of Canada, Blue Heaven would like to prpose that we also build a joint missile defense system or at least an early warning system for the entire Arctic region," annouced Whitney Azuma.

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Eggman Empire votes no on deploying troops to Tahoan held Arctic Protectorates. At least at the time being. Eggman Empire supports Blue Heaven's proposals. Also, if France is allowed full membership into CAN, rest assured that Eggman Empire will resign from CAN and take our military support with us. We are deeply opposed to what France has been up to lately, and until they can prove themselves not to be warmongering imperialists, our objection stands.

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[quote name='HHAYD' date='01 June 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1275434790' post='2319771']
Message to CAN from President HI:

May Great Lakes Provinces join the Confederation of Arctic Nations?
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"That depends on whether the current members like you or not. Now, before we put up a vote, please tell us something about your nation. Also, how will both the CAN and your nation benefit from your membership?"

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[quote name='Pikachurin' date='01 June 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1275440053' post='2319863']
"That depends on whether the current members like you or not. Now, before we put up a vote, please tell us something about your nation. Also, how will both the CAN and your nation benefit from your membership?"
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(OOC: Info amount GLP's military: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=86327&view=findpost&p=2308539 :OOC)

GNP: $890 billion
Economy: Mostly manufacturing, agriculture, oil and gas drilling, forestry, and metal/coal mining. The financial and service sector is rapidly developing though doesn't form a major part of our economy yet.
Major expenses: Education, Health care, Infrastructure, and other public services.
Population: 11,713,200
Debt: None
Official religion: None
Official Language: French and English




Total soldiers: 8,853
Total tanks: 500
Total IFVs and APCs: 600
Total other military vehicles: 2,000
Total amount of aircraft: 1 squadron of F-29 Eagle (stealth fighter), 2 squadron of F-10 Interceptor (Interceptor), 2 squadron of F-10 Falcon (Heavy fighter), 3 F-79 Giant Flying Fortress (Heavy fighter), 6 B-45 Brutalizer (Close air support), one B-1 Pounder (Tactical bomber), and one B-77 Heavy (Strategic bomber).

Our military is still being built so we can not contribute much militarily. We do have large amount of advanced military technology that have been either successfully developed and implemented into our military or in the process of being researched. In the future we might be able to field a large military force.

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[quote name='Californian' date='01 June 2010 - 08:35 PM' timestamp='1275442541' post='2319931']
We are willing to accept the Great Lakes Provinces. We would like to inquire however, about the recent incident between the GLP and Coruscanta.
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It was an accident. The military scientists were designing and testing a new Air to Ground missile. As our statement goes, the missile's memory stick was bad and ended up corrupting several software, including the over-ride command and targeting system.

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