Betrayal and Manipulation

[Londo Mollari]

Betrayal and Manipulation, a joint Athens - GGA Announcement.

Nations of the Cyberverse, I come before you tonight to discuss a stinging betrayal of GGA and cheap shot against Athens by the New Pacific Order. I am also going to explain, as best I can, what has been happening internally in the GGA over the last few weeks as background for a set of policy directives which I will be supporting the rightful government of the GGA in implementing as their protector under their terms of surrender. First off, let's talk about the betrayal and cheap shot against my alliance:

Moo-Cows lies to the GGA about us "pulling terms" and attacking them. Sounds like something NPO would do alright, but something sounded fishy to GGA. They knew from our reputation that we were better than that and that it didn't sound like us, so they came and asked us if we were going to attack them. Of course... we never had any intentions of doing so. From what the GGA gov and I can piece together, the rather transparent object of this was to push GGA back into the war. I don't know what it feels like to go down for an ally and then be stabbed in the back like that, and I hope I never do. It is reason enough for anyone to have sympathy for GGA, as well as a warning that should stand for all time for anyone who would be fooled into trusting NPO despite their cunning leadership and personable and talented foreign affairs team. You can fight and go down hard for NPO, but in the end they will just cast you aside like an old dishrag.

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:18] <@Moo-Cows> that's not what I mean

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:23] <@Moo-Cows> athens is pulling terms

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:24] <&ironchef> i did what was best for the members

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:36] <&ironchef> and it was not the right thing to do

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:39] <@Moo-Cows> you violated terms

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:43] <@Moo-Cows> by changing the govt

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:44] <&ironchef> so i will give them what they want

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:46] <&ironchef> I left

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:05:54] <&ironchef> oh well

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:12] <&ironchef> Athens was ok with the vote I posted

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:21] <&ironchef> and had been told about it before hand

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:23] <~shaneprice[GGA]> Yeah...they were.

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:28] <~shaneprice[GGA]> That is logged.

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:33] <&ironchef> they are not goign to be to happy about this

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:39] <~shaneprice[GGA]> and their are no terms that restrict gov changes.

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:06:54] <&ironchef> just Gov leaveing

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:07:23] <&ironchef> and I was asked to leave as past of thier ultimatum

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:07:24] <@Moo-Cows> well, they are pulling terms

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:07:27] <&ironchef> so I'm gone

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:07:42] <&ironchef> I dont blame them

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:08:20] <@Moo-Cows> ATHENS IS PULLILNG TERMS

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:08:25] <@Moo-Cows> YOU ARE BACK AT WAR]

[03:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> [02:08:33] <@Moo-Cows> doesn't matter where you go ironchef

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[2009-05-25 03:21:13] <ironchef> [00:08] <@Moo-Cows> doesn't matter where you go ironchef

[2009-05-25 03:21:23] <ironchef> as in you will come after us

[2009-05-25 03:21:51] <ironchef> he was tlaking about you

[2009-05-25 03:22:02] <ironchef> that you would hunt me down

[2009-05-25 03:22:05] <@Londo|away> yup. we're evil $%&@ers ;-)

[2009-05-25 03:22:07] <@Londo|away> RAWR

[2009-05-25 03:22:10] <ironchef> LOL

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[2009-05-25 04:44:59] <shaneprice[GGA]> You know what really bothers me.

[2009-05-25 04:45:44] <@Londo|away> what's that.

[2009-05-25 04:45:54] <shaneprice[GGA]> NPO has been a trusted ally of ours for years. But now I can't take their word to bank..he tells me that he has intel that you are going to attack and pull our terms. It is a good thing I came here first.

[2009-05-25 04:46:08] <shaneprice[GGA]> I mean $%&@...what If I would have ordered a pre-emptive attack or something.

[2009-05-25 04:46:14] <shaneprice[GGA]> What the hell was he thinking.

[2009-05-25 04:46:26] <Lightningdelta> O.o

[2009-05-25 04:46:46] <@Londo|away> I don't think NPO plays by the same rules as Athens does shane.

[2009-05-25 04:47:36] <DeScepter> Yes, I dont know what Moo was thinking. But I am pissed

[2009-05-25 04:47:44] <shaneprice[GGA]> When he said that to me...I thought $%&@...Athens is gonna roll us

[2009-05-25 04:47:52] <DeScepter> Me too.

[2009-05-25 04:47:52] <Lightningdelta> Moo's getting desperate I think

[2009-05-25 04:48:01] <shaneprice[GGA]> And now that I demand to know where he got that intel from...he is ignoring me.

[2009-05-25 04:48:08] <DeScepter> And my first thought was "WTF?! That doesnt sound liek those guys"

[2009-05-25 04:49:12] <DeScepter> I've heard nothing but good things about you and that would be totally out of character from what I know

[2009-05-25 04:53:31] <@Londo|away> this must really suck for you guys

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[16:17] <Londo|away> well I still have no idea what NPO told you that we were going to attack you

[16:17] <Londo|away> unless like shane said they wanted you to attack us

[16:17] <ironchef> same here

[16:17] <Londo|away> that's something you guys are gonna have to sort out on your own.

[16:17] <Londo|away> but it looks pretty bad to me

[16:17] <ironchef> Moo has not said who told him that

[16:18] <DeScepter> Yes, he started screaming that we were at war with you again

[16:18] <DeScepter> Then said "oops, just kidding" when we called him on it

[16:18] <DeScepter> Then he got mysteriously silent

[16:18] <Londo|away> O.o

[16:18] <Londo|away> wow

[16:18] <DeScepter> Pretty pathetic

[16:18] <Londo|away> well it looks to us like a desparation move

[16:18] <Londo|away> to throw GGA back in the war

[16:18] <Londo|away> I can't think of anything else

[16:18] <DeScepter> I wont tolerate things like that.

[16:19] <Londo|away> good

[16:19] <DeScepter> We have enough problems on our own without having NO try and pull stuff like that now

[16:19] <Londo|away> you guys need to stand up for yourselves

[16:19] <DeScepter> *NPO

[16:19] <Londo|away> and we are going to do our best to help you do just that

[16:19] <DeScepter> Thanks Londo

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Now let's talk about what's been going on internally within the GGA. At the time of the war's ending, GGA was led by a triumvirate consisting of Degenerate108, Scotchwithrocks, and KungFuHamster. Scotchwithrocks and KungFuHamster were removed by what appears to me to be a perfectly legitimate charter process. I have read GGA's charter and looked at the evidence for why it was done, and I think it's pretty easy to say that GGA's leadership absolutely made the right call on doing this. I'm not going to go into why everything happened, but GGA asked for my help and I looked over the evidence they had for what had happened and also at their Charter. Degenerate108 has also resigned from the GGA triumvirate. However, NPO is apparently meddling here to, to collapse GGA and leave behind a faction more submissive to them.

Internal power struggles, apparently NPO is supporting recruiting from alliances among other things

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Let me relist the terms for DeScepter

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&scotchwithrocks[GGA]away> most allies know why

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&scotchwithrocks[GGA]away> valhalla does not

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> If you all will hesitate till I finish the list that'd be great

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&DeScepter> I'm sorry I will be lurking for a bit here

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> So then It can all be subsequent

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Its okay DeScepter

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> DeScepter - Triumvir

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:37] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> KungFuHamster - Triumvir

[2009-05-25 03:16:52] <ironchef> [20:38] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Shaneprice - (acting) Triumvir

[2009-05-25 03:16:53] <ironchef> [20:38] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Degenerate108 - Elder, free to be a CoD player as he chooses

[2009-05-25 03:16:54] <ironchef> [20:38] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Manfred - Regent should he accept

[2009-05-25 03:16:56] <ironchef> [20:38] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Scotchwithrocks - Elder, Acting MoDI should Manfred assume the role of Regent

[2009-05-25 03:16:58] <ironchef> [20:38] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Ironchef - Removed from the Grand Global Alliance

[2009-05-25 03:17:00] <ironchef> [20:39] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> A statement on the OWF as well as the GGA Forums which will publically display what took place and the manner in which actions were taken and such

[2009-05-25 03:17:03] <ironchef> [20:39] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> And thats everything I think. Right Scotch?

[2009-05-25 03:17:05] <ironchef> [20:39] <&KungFuHamster[GGA]> Shaneprice - Elder (acting) Triumvir : to be more specific

[2009-05-25 03:17:06] <ironchef> [20:39] <&scotchwithrocks[GGA]away> and any GGA member that left in the past week mat be reinstated at his/her former rank if they choose to

[2009-05-25 03:17:10] <ironchef> those are the teerms we had been given by swr and kfh

[2009-05-25 03:17:20] <@Londo|away> what the !@#$

[2009-05-25 03:17:22] <@Londo|away> is going on

[2009-05-25 03:17:29] <@Londo|away> why are you killing each other

[2009-05-25 03:17:31] <ironchef> it was said they had 50% member suport and that of NPO

[2009-05-25 03:17:32] <@Londo|away> and can I help?

[2009-05-25 03:17:40] <@Londo|away> does NPO look like

[2009-05-25 03:17:42] <@Londo|away> it matters

[2009-05-25 03:17:46] <ironchef> LOL

[2009-05-25 03:17:47] <ironchef> no

[2009-05-25 03:17:51] <@Londo|away> then

[2009-05-25 03:17:55] <@Londo|away> forget about NPO

[2009-05-25 03:18:02] <@Londo|away> you are free to make your own way

[2009-05-25 03:18:07] <@Londo|away> and do whatever you want

[2009-05-25 03:47:20] <@Londo|away> if a group of members leaves the GGA

[2009-05-25 03:47:36] <@Londo|away> that is not gov

[2009-05-25 03:47:53] <@Londo|away> and they decide to PM the entire alliance

[2009-05-25 03:47:54] <ironchef> just when things start to look up we get hit with crazy !@#$ from left feald

[2009-05-25 03:48:29] <ironchef> that is why we came to you

[2009-05-25 03:48:37] <@Londo|away> also because apparently

[2009-05-25 03:48:42] <@Londo|away> Moo was telling you

[2009-05-25 03:48:52] <shaneprice[GGA]> No, I came to him because he was suppose to be pulling our terms according to Moo-Cows

[2009-05-25 03:48:52] <@Londo|away> that big bad scawwy Athens was gonna come get you

[2009-05-25 03:49:00] <@Londo|away> oh

[2009-05-25 03:49:05] <@Londo|away> then I'm also more confused

[2009-05-25 03:49:07] <ironchef> LOL

[2009-05-25 03:49:19] <shaneprice[GGA]> But

[2009-05-25 03:49:28] <shaneprice[GGA]> One subject leads to another

[2009-05-25 03:49:29] <shaneprice[GGA]> LOL

[2009-05-25 03:50:58] <shaneprice[GGA]> It appears that Moo has been in contact with SWR and KFH quite a bit. Their are rumors that should the GGA split, that the NPO will support them.

[2009-05-25 03:26:54] <@Londo|away> I need to know

[2009-05-25 03:26:58] <@Londo|away> who is the legitimate leader

[2009-05-25 03:27:00] <@Londo|away> of the GGA

[2009-05-25 03:27:43] <shaneprice[GGA]> Depends on what side you want to believe...they believe they were couped...they don't believe the charter supports their removal...but it was done in a way that has been done before many times.

[2009-05-25 03:27:52] <shaneprice[GGA]> It was certainly precedent.

***There was a section of logs here with an alliance leader who has asked not to be involved which detailed that the faction within GGA led by KungFuHamster and Scotchwithrocks was supported as leadership by the NPO, although this unnamed alliance leader asserted that the NPO was not leading the split. As he has asked not to be involved the logs in question have been excised***

It has been made clear to me that GGA has been the victim for quite some time of egregious manipulation and violation of basic principles of alliance sovereignty at the hands of NPO. This sick, twisted control that NPO has exerted over GGA ends, and it ends now. GGA may live, it may die, but it WILL be given a chance to move forward as a free and independent alliance without being subjected to underhanded tactics and manipulation by its so-called "allies".

Athens hereby recognizes Shaneprice and DeScepter as the rightful leadership of the GGA. Any attempts by GGA members to form a breakaway alliance and recruit from GGA will be met with GGA military force and this action will have our full support. GGA will be interdicting any members who choose to leave to join such a breakaway, as their charter explicitly provides for. I am given to understand that GGA is also working on a new charter, with member input, which will avoid the previous instability and infighting that the old charter pretty clearly seems to have created. This is also perfectly legal within the bounds of their charter from what I understand, there is no coup involved. GGA's leadership is acting in the interest of GGA and her members, and I wish them well as they move forward on their own two feet into the brave new world.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Londo Mollari

[Fortune]

Too late ctrlcctrlv

[Nintenderek]

I hate when OPs get rid of what they were about to say

It's back

It's about time GGA, it's about time. Now hopefully this OP will stay there this time.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Nintenderek

[Jgoods45]

The Rightful government of GGA has our full support.

o/

Edited May 26, 2009 by Jgoods45

[Heyman]

Erm... This good show?

Edit: Okay, I can read it now.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Heyman

[Londo Mollari]

AND IT'S BACK! I've been shocked and saddened by this whole affair, and wish GGA only the best.

[George the Great]

I saw some of the logs where NPO tried tricking GGA back into the war last night. I was appalled, to say the least, but sadly, not all that surprised. Their desperation is clearly visible in all of their actions during this war, and it is progressively getting worse. I do feel for the GGA after having been ridiculously used and manipulated by the NPO for all this time despite GGA’s undeniable loyalty to NPO. I also feel for the NPO membership that get fed a teaspoon of intentionally skewed information every once in a blue moon and have to pay for it with their misplaced loyalty and blinded consciences.

As Athens is the protector of GGA and one of our closest allies, the legitimate government of GGA has Sparta’s full support and I would like to extend a helping hand, should they need it, to get them back on their own two feet.

Best of luck guys,

o/ Athens

o/ GGA

[Mogar]

NPO's doing it rong.

[The Corrupt Teacher]

what else would you expect from NPO?

[Archon]

As though it needs to be said, the Mushroom Kingdom fully and completely supports her brothers and sisters in Athens on this matter. I am quite concerned, to be honest, as to what this information implies.

[New Frontier]

Put simply, GGA's actions in the past don't encourage me to leap to their defence. They too have been guilty of lies and manipulation. However, I will be interested to see how this plays out.

The really amazing part is that NPO actually needed GGA's help. Of all the people to get on your side in a war, you go for GGA? Seriously?

Edited May 26, 2009 by New Frontier

[dwthegreat]

Wow

Shocking

o/ Londo

o/ GGA

[Caliph]

Well now ...somewhat interesting.

Time will tell if this is a good move or not.

Best of luck anyway

[bigwoody]

I am not one to overuse these expressions, but...

No words for this can surpass that single expression.

EDIT: Although I suppose this DOES imply a pattern of behavior.

Edited May 26, 2009 by bigwoody

[Proxian Empire]

That's not shocking at all. This is typical NPO style.

[TehChron]

Oh lord.

The shameless attention Whoring of GGA continues unabated.

Congratulations on kicking this long-dead horse, Athen.

/Golfclap

GGA has been in the Pacifican pocket for years, you think suddenly posting some kind of half-assed Log Dump is going to turn around GGA's PR? Guess again.

As someone who was victimized by skewered logs, let me tell you something: These clearly don't show the whole context of the conversation. Shameless attention whoring is obvious...

And also shameless.

[Heyman]

Now that I've read it, I have to say that this is terrible news.

[Kevin McDonald]

Honourable as always, Athens. Good show, Londo. Exactly what I've come to expect from you.

[BamaBuc]

Very interesting. Good luck GGA.

-Bama

[Denial]

Our allies in Athens have the complete and enduring support of Vanguard. As such, Vanguard also hereby recognizes Shaneprice and DeScepter as the rightful leadership of the GGA. It is not surprising to see the New Pacific Order continue the underhanded tactics that led them into the ongoing conflict. It is clear that they have not yet learned from their mistakes.

[Chickenzilla]

Wow. This is just...wow. I can't believe you finally caught on to what the NPO has been doing to you for years.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Chickenzilla

[Mogar]

These clearly don't show the whole context of the conversation.

/r/ full logs plz.

[Stormsend]

I can only laugh. Really really hard.

[ligolski]

good luck to all parties involved in this matter

-ligs

[St Jimmy]

This is a very poor showing from the NPO. GGA, having fought you personally, I can say that you deserve much better treatment than this.