sra ln !@#$%* fest

[Sabcat]

When Walsh wants to talk seriously about peace, we can talk. However he seems to preoccupied with his propaganda and comics to do anything of the sort. Last time peace was negotiated with his lower gov, it got voided by Walsh right away. Meaning a new peace would need to be negotiated. If peace negotiated by his lower gov can voided by him after the fact, there is no use speaking with them.

 

And there you go again. You're the loser here Meth, no one on the other side is in any hurry to sort anything out for you. There's more nations who haven't even been able to get a slot in the war than have fought. Large, cash rich nations with nothing productive to do except shunt aid to nations who only need it because they've decided to buy and SDI for a fight they can duck out of after one round safe in the knowledge they're not going to get hit.

 

This is less a war and more a joke. No amount of rhetoric from your or Sig is going to improve your position here.

[the rebel]

And there you go again. You're the loser here Meth, no one on the other side is in any hurry to sort anything out for you. There's more nations who haven't even been able to get a slot in the war than have fought. Large, cash rich nations with nothing productive to do except shunt aid to nations who only need it because they've decided to buy and SDI for a fight they can duck out of after one round safe in the knowledge they're not going to get hit.

 

This is less a war and more a joke. No amount of rhetoric from your or Sig is going to improve your position here.

 

I've heard that so many times over the years, war weariness happens on any side even the statistically bigger side, regardless of any sides propaganda and there will be a point when either side decides to sue for peace. Its obvious that neither side has reached that point yet.

[Walshington]

 

I've heard that so many times over the years, war weariness happens on any side even the statistically bigger side, regardless of any sides propaganda and there will be a point when either side decides to sue for peace. Its obvious that neither side has reached that point yet.

 

I totally would, but I am awfully busy making comics.

[Sephiroth]

And there you go again. You're the loser here Meth, no one on the other side is in any hurry to sort anything out for you. There's more nations who haven't even been able to get a slot in the war than have fought. Large, cash rich nations with nothing productive to do except shunt aid to nations who only need it because they've decided to buy and SDI for a fight they can duck out of after one round safe in the knowledge they're not going to get hit.
 
This is less a war and more a joke. No amount of rhetoric from your or Sig is going to improve your position here.

I've fought wars from a much worse position, lasting much longer than this.

[Sabcat]

 

I've heard that so many times over the years, war weariness happens on any side even the statistically bigger side, regardless of any sides propaganda and there will be a point when either side decides to sue for peace. Its obvious that neither side has reached that point yet.

 

You're right, I've been in an alliance on the other side of this fence before and got reasonable terms. After 3 months of fighting.

[Thorgrum]

Have no fear Meth, I am working to ensure this is the longest war you ever fight. The time is now, your star is fading. You are like a 50 year old hooker trying to get by on her looks. No amount of make up is going to make this pig look any better. Pucker up, your going on the plate as sliced bacon this time.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Thorgrum

[Sephiroth]

You're right, I've been in an alliance on the other side of this fence before and got reasonable terms. After 3 months of fighting.

I've fought wars lasting longer than that on my own, Limitless Nexus is not doing as bad as you try to make it sound. Limitless Nexus is still outdamaging SRA. I still haven't decommissioned by Guerilla Camps from when Limitless Nexus was fighting GOONS on our own (in 2 wars with them back to back), both ended in white peace. When I fought Kashmir on my own, that ended in white peace. There is no reason for us to surrender when we have allies who do not wish to surrender and we can keep fighting.

Have no fear Meth, I am working to ensure this is the longest war you ever fight. The time is now, your star is fading. You are like a 50 year old hooker trying to get by on her looks. No amount of make up is going to make this pig look any better. Pucker up, your going on the plate as sliced bacon this time.

You're new to Kashmir, so I don't think you represent their views. Edited July 5, 2015 by Methrage

[Lady Dakota]

You're new to Kashmir, so I don't think you represent their views.

Only you would dumb enough to spin a personal opinion into a representation of an alliance. *eye roll*

[Sephiroth]

Only you would dumb enough to spin a personal opinion into a representation of an alliance. *eye roll*

He said he's working on making it my longest war, but he's not close to the NS required to fight anyone on our side and the alliance he's in is Kashmir. Saying he's working towards something isn't the same as expressing an opinion. Also I said I don't think what he says is a representation of Kashmir.

[Kilroy]

I've fought wars lasting longer than that on my own, Limitless Nexus is not doing as bad as you try to make it sound. Limitless Nexus is still outdamaging SRA. I still haven't decommissioned by Guerilla Camps from when Limitless Nexus was fighting GOONS on our own (in 2 wars with them back to back), both ended in white peace. When I fought Kashmir on my own, that ended in white peace. There is no reason for us to surrender when we have allies who do not wish to surrender and we can keep fighting.

You're new to Kashmir, so I don't think you represent their views.

The big difference Mealysage is last time we scuffled it was over harboring someone who went rogue if memory serves. This situation is slightly different.

 

You don't just burn bridges. You nuke the damn things.

[Sephiroth]

The big difference Mealysage is last time we scuffled it was over harboring someone who went rogue if memory serves. This situation is slightly different.
 
You don't just burn bridges. You nuke the damn things.

I remember after white peace had been agreed upon between our alliances, Yolo made sure to send me one last nuke before sending peace. The same type of stuff Walsh is using as an excuse to void the agreed upon peace deal with Mi. However I didn't make a fuss over it and there has been peace between our alliances for a long time. I don't think there is a need for another Kashmir vs Limitless Nexus War, I'm sure many in your alliance feel the same way. I'm not even sure what Thorgrum's deal is, I hadn't heard of him until he suddenly joined up with Kashmir and started talking about wanting to push for an extended conflict. Edited July 5, 2015 by Methrage

[Kilroy]

I remember after white peace had been agreed upon between our alliances, Yolo made sure to send me one last nuke before sending peace. The same type of stuff Walsh is using as an excuse to void the agreed upon peace deal with Mi. However I didn't make a fuss over it and there has been peace between our alliances for a long time. I don't think there is a need for another Kashmir vs Limitless Nexus War, I'm sure many in your alliance feel the same view. I'm not even sure what Thorgrum's deal is, I haven't even heard of him until he suddenly joined up with Kashmir and started talking about wanting to push for an extended conflict.

Calm down Minimumwage. I was just pointing out the two cases are very different. Like comparing a pencil and apricot.

 

Personally I find your particular brand of insanity rather amusing until it starts harming my/our buddies. The whole Brown senate thing had me rolling I admit. Though that may have ended up having more to do with you provoking Lady Dakotas tantrum.

 

Maybe I'm just a jerk that likes laughing at crazy people. :v:

[gowfanatic]

In regards to:

 

When Walsh wants to talk seriously about peace, we can talk. 

 

I feel like Walsh and Smurth have both said (maybe smurth more than walsh, but walsh has definitely said it once) , when you guys are ready to talk, let them know, but they wont be coming to you. 

 

I think what you meant to say here is:

"When Walsh wants to talk seriously about white peace, we can talk."

 

 

Edit - im a silly Canadian adding in too many aboots.

Edited July 5, 2015 by gowfanatic

[Walshington]

I've fought wars lasting longer than that on my own, Limitless Nexus is not doing as bad as you try to make it sound.  Limitless Nexus was fighting GOONS on our own (in 2 wars with them back to back), both ended in white peace. When I fought Kashmir on my own, that ended in white peace.

This reminds me of when I was young and gambling.  I was bragging to someone how I showed up at a blackjck table with a 5 dollar chip and played for 6 hours without a break.  I made $5 last 6 hours before I ran out.  The guy looked at me and asked, "Is the point to play a long time, or is the point to win money?"

 

Of course Limited Nexus isn't doing so badly.  You have no real goals for alliance growth or expansion.  You are simply looking for the next enemy (except FAN) to continue your quest for endless wars that end in white peace.  That's a hard thing to do poorly at.  Your one chance at escape was to take that senate seat and DO something positive to show people you aren't just some nutjob, but you traded that for a new enemy.

 

Confederatio Aesir will be fine, too -- they are rich, and won't notice the rebuild.

 

There is no reason for us to surrender when we have allies who do not wish to surrender and we can keep fighting.
 

This is not an alliance committed to continuing the fight.  People are voting with their feet:

 

 

I remember after white peace had been agreed upon between our alliances, Yolo made sure to send me one last nuke before sending peace. The same type of stuff Walsh is using as an excuse to void the agreed upon peace deal with Mi. However I didn't make a fuss over it and there has been peace between our alliances for a long time. 

 

I remember on time a GOONs nation attacked my alliance. The same type of stuff Meth is using to attack SRA.  However, I didn't make a fuss over it and there has been peace between our alliances for a long time.

 

You're aware, of course, that a hypocrisy doesn't exist unless the same person commits both acts? 

 

Limitless Nexus is still outdamaging SRA. 
 

 

 

You should read that comics thread -- not only are the comics awesome, but there are stats there that prove you wrong.

 

This will likely change due to your second round of down-declares on non-wondered nations (your first round is, of course, what kept these stats close in the first place.)

 

In fact, if I recall one of the reasons you warred SRA and not FAN was that FAN nations gave you a "fair fight"  while Dre4m was a down-declare that did a lot of damage unfairly.

 

See?  THAT'S hypocrisy.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Walshington

[Walshington]

So here's what I said, Meth:

 

 

OFFICIAL !@#$ SHOW TIMELINE

 

For interested parties, this is how the !@#$ show came to be.  James Spanier posted his version, which is actually undersold the Limited Nexus side of things.  The following is intended to be neutral, factual, verifiable timeline of events, devoid of spin and opinion.  If I have forgotten anything significant, I will edit.

 

10. On 6/14, a peace is negotiated between the parties.  Walsh the Beloved is not present.  Post peace agreement, some Monsters nations run another round of attacks and immediately send peace. Some SRA nations have faced two rounds of attaks without being able to respond.  Walsh the Beloved voids peace agreement on SRA's part.

 

 

Which you want amended to this:

 

10. On 6/14, a peace is negotiated between the parties.  Walsh is not present. Walsh voids peace agreement on SRA's part with Limitless Nexus despite what was negotiated.

 

Fixed that part for you. I think you made it clear the peace negotiated by your lower government and Freelancer didn't matter, so SRA was still at war with Limitless Nexus.

 

The problem here, Meth, is that my version -- the neutral, factual, verifiable one -- contains all of the information your version does.  What your version lacks is the facts and context surrounding your version. Yours is still true, but mine is the WHOLE truth.  This is classic you -- you manipulate facts and tell half- truths to bolster your position.  Mine contains ALL of the relevant data.

 

Which begs the question:  if your case can only be made through half-truths and concealment of context, do you really have a good case?

 

Try again, this time incorporate ALL of the facts, or bring new ones that I ignored, as I invited you to.

 

Aaaaaaaand....my point is proven.

 

I yield to your oft-proven thesis.

[Sigrun Vapneir]

Hypocrisy?

 

Yeah you don't get to use that word Walsh. Never again.

 

You're prosecuting what you decided to call an eternal war against three micros amounting at our peak to maybe 10% of the firepower you called, if that, for the horrible crime of defending ourselves.

 

And you spend hours making comics and carefully crafting your link-filled propaganda, all collected and spun and where need be falsified to prove conclusively that up is down, left is right, and black is white.

 

You are truly the most abominable leader I have encountered here in many years.

 

May you meet a fate commensurate with your actions. Though I'll confess I cannot imagine one.

[gowfanatic]

If Walsh is the most abominable leader you have encountered here in many years, you must not get out much.

[smurthwaite]

Hypocrisy?

 

Yeah you don't get to use that word Walsh. Never again.

 

You're prosecuting what you decided to call an eternal war against three micros amounting at our peak to maybe 10% of the firepower you called, if that, for the horrible crime of defending ourselves.

 

And you spend hours making comics and carefully crafting your link-filled propaganda, all collected and spun and where need be falsified to prove conclusively that up is down, left is right, and black is white.

 

You are truly the most abominable leader I have encountered here in many years.

 

May you meet a fate commensurate with your actions. Though I'll confess I cannot imagine one.

Ok.  I think it's important to remind you that Methrage said the words eternal war.  We are simply mocking him with any reference to eternal war.  But let's be clear Sigrun.  I had never heard of CA until you all attacked SRA.  You can claim that you came to Methrage's defense, but you came in offensively.  No wars were declared on CA by SRA until AFTER CA wars had been declared on SRA.  

 

As for us persecuting a war against micros, remember, we are a micro.

 

/me shrugs.

 

I'll say this again.  When your side wants to come to the table, I'm here.  The table will be IRC, and all major players need to be invited to that table.  The only caveat to talks will be civility and honesty from all sides, something I haven't seen much of from you.  Honestly, I don't understand your anger, when your AA came in offensively against SRA.  But I guess it takes all kinds of personalities.

[Lady Dakota]

Hypocrisy?
 
Yeah you don't get to use that word Walsh. Never again.
 
You're prosecuting what you decided to call an eternal war against three micros amounting at our peak to maybe 10% of the firepower you called, if that, for the horrible crime of defending ourselves.
 
And you spend hours making comics and carefully crafting your link-filled propaganda, all collected and spun and where need be falsified to prove conclusively that up is down, left is right, and black is white.
 
You are truly the most abominable leader I have encountered here in many years.
 
May you meet a fate commensurate with your actions. Though I'll confess I cannot imagine one.

You know what. Cookies be damned. You had this sanction coming for a long time.

I would love to know where SRA in an official statement has stated they have pledged eternal war.

Consistently, Walsh has done nothing but put cold hard facts on the table. You can try and twist truth however you like, but facts are facts. They can not change.

If you want to find abominable, I suggest you look in the mirror. You mutilate the truth, throw false accusations out like candy, and insult others simply because they do not agree with you. Grow up little boy. Edited July 5, 2015 by Lady Dakota

[Sigrun Vapneir]

Ok.  I think it's important to remind you that Methrage said the words eternal war.  We are simply mocking him with any reference to eternal war. 

 

You're so good with citations you should get one for this. The only people I have seen say anything about eternal war are you and the nutcracker over there.

 

You can claim that you came to Methrage's defense, but you came in offensively.  No wars were declared on CA by SRA until AFTER CA wars had been declared on SRA.  

 

After SRA attacked LN for WEEKS and after we repeatedly delayed engaging you to give diplomacy time to work, after you threw that in our faces, yes, then we attacked you in defense of our ally. We'd do it again every time.

 

But you know this. You know all of this quite well, and don't care. You pretend to care about reason but in fact you play to sway the crowd in your favor using statements you KNOW are false. 

 

I'll say this again.  When your side wants to come to the table, I'm here.  The table will be IRC, and all major players need to be invited to that table.  The only caveat to talks will be civility and honesty from all sides, something I haven't seen much of from you.  Honestly, I don't understand your anger, when your AA came in offensively against SRA.  But I guess it takes all kinds of personalities.

 

I'll say this again. When you work out peace with our allies, we'll have no further reason to pursue you. Until then we'll be in your cities blowing stuff up.

 

You and I have no need to speak in private about anything.

[Sephiroth]

Smurth, you've already admitted you're anything but civil. So trying to have a civil conversation with you is next to impossible.

[Sigrun Vapneir]

If Walsh is the most abominable leader you have encountered here in many years, you must not get out much.

 

I know a lot of leaders that behave similarly in terms of aggression. Not at all unusual that. But they are usually pretty straightforward about their game too.

 

It's been a long time since I have seen a death knight successfully posing as a white lighter.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Sigrun Vapneir

[Walshington]

Hypocrisy?  Yeah you don't get to use that word Walsh. Never again.

 

 

 

Wait... I had something for this...  wait for it...   oh, yeah: "hypocricy".

 

You're prosecuting what you decided to call an eternal war against three micros amounting at our peak to maybe 10% of the firepower you called, if that, for the horrible crime of defending ourselves.

 

Your first thought here is blatantly false. First, I invite you to offer us one log, one post, one PM, or one anything where I called or expressed the remotest desire for an eternal war.  I know you hate my links, but I actually have one here that says I think eternal wars are stupid.

 

Second, here's a link in which Meth says SRA will get eternal war.  Now I won't pretend he didn't back off on that later -- it would be disingenuous. I won't provide the link since that would be work and I'm already conceding the point unbidden.  But still -- he brought it up, I never did.  Once.

 

So there it is in black and white -- you're calling the wrong guy out for declaring an eternal war.  Prove me wrong if you can.

 

Second, you're not really defending yourself.  You're defending Limited Nexus.  Different people can spin the war as offensive or defensive, but no CA nation was attacked by SRA until CA attacked us, on behalf of LN. That's a matter of record.

 

Third, since you were called in to help your allies, why are you angry at my allies for coming in to defend me?  It seems a little like that word you don't want me to use.  We may have more firepower on paper, but not really at the levels we need it.  I won't deny the aid is nice, however.

 

Fourth, were ARE a micro.  Are you postulating that a micro battling micros is abominable?

 

And you spend hours making comics and carefully crafting your link-filled propaganda, all collected and spun and where need be falsified to prove conclusively that up is down, left is right, and black is white.

 

Facts are not propaganda, Sigrun.  They are facts -- each link is to -- wait for it -- time-stamped data from an unimpeachable source.  The only way they become propaganda is if I were to use partial facts, only some of the facts, facts lacking context, or things presented as fact that were not.  That entire thread you talk about is a simple listing of facts -- I didn't even attempt to make a case from them.  You are essentially railing against a posting of facts in chronological order.  I even invited you (or anyone else) to list facts or links you thought I missed to make the timeline complete.  I cannot understand your coalition's overwhelming feeling that dates, times, and your own words are traps set for you.  If you find you cannot trip me up with facts or verifiable data or my own words, that is hardly my fault, and may be indicative of something larger you should consider.

 

You are truly the most abominable leader I have encountered here in many years.

 

I cannot imagine that this is true.  You should post a litany of the awful things I've done as an alliance leader so we can accept this thesis.

Post one log in which I was disrespectful to you.

Post one PM in which I was disrespectful to you.

Feel free to use any of my words or actions at any point in this game.

Was it abominable when I took Vandelsand's word that he didn't intend for his war aid to be used against us?

Was it abominable when I let a Monsters, Inc. nation who PM'd me he was done with Hitchcock's !@#$%^&* leave and have peace, only to see him rejoin MInc. in peace mode?

Was it abominable when I wouldn't let Xanth post logs we have of Meth in talks with Dre4m and I in which he looks ridiculous?

Was it abominable when Hitchcock released logs to other alliances with personal information about you that I have kept under lock and key?

Was it abominable when I apologized in our query for inadvertently insulting your allies?

 

Or am I abominable simply because we are at war and I don't agree with your position, your assertions and your invective?

 

Again, I give you free reign -- anything I have ever done or said.  Use it against me.  The search button is your friend.

 

But you won't, because you can't -- the facts do not support your statements.

 

 

 

May you meet a fate commensurate with your actions. Though I'll confess I cannot imagine one.

 

I was completely hung over the other day.  Completely commensurate with my actions.

Edited for text color in last rant.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Walshington

[Walshington]

 

You're so good with citations you should get one for this. The only people I have seen say anything about eternal war are you and the nutcracker over there.

 

Provided in the post above, thanks for inquiring.  I await your retraction.

 

Hey look, another:

 

Sure, he's on the Kurdistan AA now, but a few days ago he fought SRA as part of....  wait for it....   Limitless Nexus!

 

 

After SRA attacked LN for WEEKS and after we repeatedly delayed engaging you to give diplomacy time to work, after you threw that in our faces, yes, then we attacked you in defense of our ally. We'd do it again every time.

 

Dre4m attacked beginning June 7.  We didn't consider that SRA, but even if you do -- the war started on the 14th.  That's one week.  Check the war screens. 

 

But you know this. You know all of this quite well, and don't care. You pretend to care about reason but in fact you play to sway the crowd in your favor using statements you KNOW are false. 

 

Actually, we know the opposite -- and we can prove it if you'll just check the above.  Nothing is more reasonable that hard, cold facts.  Which you have yet to produce.

 

I'll say this again. When you work out peace with our allies, we'll have no further reason to pursue you. Until then we'll be in your cities blowing stuff up.

 

You and I have no need to speak in private about anything.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Walshington

[kingzog]

Was it abominable when I wouldn't let Xanth post logs we have of Meth in talks with Dre4m and I in which he looks ridiculous?

 

It's abominable that you're not posting them now.