Declaration of War

[D34th]

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1308665304' post='2737230']
Yes, they did.
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"Hey just to let you know: doesn't matter what you say we'll attack you, kkthxbb"

[Jtkode]

Cant wait to see some other alliances stances on this issue

[TheListener]

[quote name='Jtkode' timestamp='1308669698' post='2737288']
Cant wait to see some other alliances stances on this issue
[/quote]

Wait you didn't see Invicta and RIA's stance on the issue?

[Varianz]

I'd have a lot more respect for SOS if you'd just said "we don't like you" instead of using some !@#$ CB. I look forward to seeing you burn.

[janax]

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1308658896' post='2737157']


We're not known for backing down easily, unlike some of SOS' former allies.

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But you are known for being a terrible alliance. My point stands.

[Jens of the desert]

[quote name='Astarle' timestamp='1308664081' post='2737219']
Jens - really? So many themed alliances around here and you are all surprised at anime alliances. You have one yourself in your avvie and sig. So do I! Shall we wish them death? No no. Wish the best prevails? [b]SURE![/b]
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1. I'm not surprised(?) at anime alliances.
2. Yes I do.
3. I'm not wishing them death.

I do however think that there are bad and good anime watchers/manga readers. The "bad" ones I couldn't care less about and usually take anime so "seriously" that it inhibits other skills in their life. The "good" more casual ones I'm absolutely fine with.

Sadly there is an overwhelming majority of the bad type in this world, with this game not being an exception to that, which I believe, is probably why the "weeaboos" are hated here.

[Kellory]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308654374' post='2737113']
Considering the amount of diplomatic patience we have displayed with the New Sakura Order in previous incidents, only to be told to '$%&@ off' and then bury the issue for the sake of peace... we've done our fair share of waiting. It is our time to stand up for ourselves and we have chosen to do so, rather than continue to be the punching bag at the whim of madmen.
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It is ironic that NsO would say the same thing about their relations with the SOS Brigade.

If you look back, every incident brought to the Court of Public Opinion here between the SOS Brigade and NsO has been by the SOS Brigade. In each case it was demonstrated by third parties to be a minor issue that the SOS Brigade was blowing out of proportion simply to try to come up with justification to hit NsO. If you had to bury the issue it was because you did not first use private channels, as eventually they were used to end it, and you were making a mountain of a molehill and were called on it. You should not blame others for your mistakes in diplomatic judgement.

Speaking of diplomatic judgement I would further point out the SOS Brigade is even the alliance that cancelled their MDP treaty with Tetris...over an Intelligence clause that. did. not. exist. in their current treaty. Did you even look at it first, or did you think everyone would just take your word that it existed and not call you out on it? As did you think everyone would just take your word about this additional proof and evidence you speak of and not ask for it?

I have seen this so called evidence. And it is exactly what you posted here. Unless Locke has been holding back information. Which, as we are a treaty partner with NsO, would be a rather foolish idea.

Some 7 random lines of unattributed text without any context does not really prove anything. Nor is there any talk of Poaching in there. There is talk of recruiting, but there is a large difference between Recruiting and Poaching. Or no alliance would gain any membership. Unless you are trying to claim that no SOS member has the right to initiate talks with another alliance about moving. And the fact that your member lied to you about why he/she was moving says more about how much they trusted you than NsO gaining another member.

And spying? Seriously? Based off of something that happened before the member even left the SOS Brigade? Really? I can see why you wanted to keep this secret indeed.

I had thought when I saw this that the SOS Brigade had actual proof of government involvement in this. That NsO had actually overstepped themselves. Instead I am treated to yet another smoke and mirror show of Locke trying to take tiny, disparate issues, and connect them into some giant conspiracy. Instead I get to see yet another attempt by the SOS Brigade to twist others words and actions and blame NsO for it. Where in each case the SOS Brigade simply takes the most convenient answer to them and ignores all other possibilities as if they cannot and do not exist.

And then goes off and belittles and attacks anyone who does not agree 100% with them.

There is a word for that. And, eventually, those with that problem find that they themselves have made their own enemy one issue at a time.

You reap what you sow. If you were doing things right, then none of this would be happening to you. Each time you come here with an issue that was created, in no small part because of your actions to your membership, and play the victim. Even here there is only so many times you can cry wolf before others start to catch on.

[Rebel Virginia]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308642047' post='2737023']
Stand and fight or be a punching bag forever... hm, I think we did alright.
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[color="#0000FF"]So SOS doesn't like to be a punching bag? Would you care to explain to me then why you let SCLB push you around and then not do anything about it? I mean surely nations attacking yours were a much greater offense. Yet you readily attack NsO for the grievous offense of [i]poaching.[/i] I believe it would be more appropriate to say that SOS will defend itself only against smaller and less connected alliances.[/color]

[Hereno]

[center][img]http://i.imgur.com/zh5UL.png[/img]

[size="6"]Attention Members of the SOS Brigade[/size]
[/center]
War. What is it good for? Nothing, if you ask me. Recently, we've taken note to your alliance's warpath, creating an Anime v Anime war over all but nothing except irrational hatred and Arrnea's delusions. Is that how a real alliance acts? I don't think so. Is this war really good for the spread of anime on Bob? Hardly.

I'd like to personally invite you all to join Tetris, an alliance with class, who seeks to use our words before using our fists.

Upon joining Tetris, you will be given access to the following:

1. Access to an alliance not lead by Arrnea.
2. Access to our anime archives, with more tapes and magazines than we can count (or ever would want to).
3. But most importantly, an alliance not lead by Arrnea.

In addition to all of this, Tetris is situated right next to the other (and much better) anime-themed alliance on this world, so you'll never be too far away from your favorite pass-time!

If you're interested, just head over to our forums and post your application. Please note that this invitation is for [b]current SOS Brigade members, and SOS Brigade members [u]only[/u].[/b]

Thank you for your time! I hope to see you all very soon!

[Franz Ferdinand]

[center][size="5"]Official Announcement from Team Rocket[/size]

[IMG]http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4331/1285604307181.jpg[/IMG]


Good evening, people listening to this broadcast. It has come to my attention that there has been two rival high schools fighting over the position of most desirable students. We have been watching closely, and as soon as we heard the news that one of the schools had started to distribute leaflets in an area controlled by the other school. As a result of the strong-armed approach of the non-distributants, in firebombing the other school, we have had no choice other than to support the other school which we have mentioned.

From this point on, Team Rocket supports the actions of the New Sakura Order against the SOS Brigade and wishes them all the best in their fight for freedom. Now, Lutai wants to know if you guys have any students who are willing to take up temporary work in feeding the Team Rocket kittens. Hopefully the vacancies will be filled quickly and efficiently and we can not wait to see what CVs will be submitted to us for this job.

This is Franz Ferdinand blasting off again![/center]

[Proximo]

Seriously... both alliances should di; anyone allied to them should feel dirty and be ashamed of themselves.

Edited June 21, 2011 by Proximo

[Arrnea]

[quote name='Greg23' timestamp='1308658472' post='2737152']So during this entire active, malicious campaign against SOS from NsO you [b]never[/b] thought to yourself "Hey let's go to IAA, maybe they can help solve this and put a leash on NsO" ?[/quote]
We did that last time NsO poked at us. IAA demonstrated neither the ability, nor the willingness to do anything about it and we ended up getting accused by NsO of "trying to get their allies to drop them". Go figure.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']It is ironic that NsO would say the same thing about their relations with the SOS Brigade.[/quote]
I disagree, it's not ironic at all. It's typical of Elrich von Richt. Ask him if he's tried to re-register on our forums after we banned his first account and made it clear he was unwelcome there. [b]They[/b] are the ones who refuse to let the issue die. The SOS Brigade has always and is still now willing to end the entire issue and have a state where the SOS Brigade and the New Sakura Order have nothing to do with each other.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']If you look back, every incident brought to the Court of Public Opinion here between the SOS Brigade and NsO has been by the SOS Brigade. In each case it was demonstrated by third parties to be a minor issue that the SOS Brigade was blowing out of proportion simply to try to come up with justification to hit NsO. If you had to bury the issue it was because you did not first use private channels, as eventually they were used to end it, and you were making a mountain of a molehill and were called on it. You should not blame others for your mistakes in diplomatic judgement.[/quote]
We've agreed to bury the issue and ignore our aggressors many, [b]many[/b] times more than you'll ever know, either for the sake of our allies or because nobody believed us.
No more.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']Speaking of diplomatic judgement I would further point out the SOS Brigade is even the alliance that cancelled their MDP treaty with Tetris...over an Intelligence clause that. did. not. exist. in their current treaty. Did you even look at it first, or did you think everyone would just take your word that it existed and not call you out on it? As did you think everyone would just take your word about this additional proof and evidence you speak of and not ask for it?[/quote]
We didn't cancel it. Tetris initiated the cancellation clause.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']Some 7 random lines of unattributed text without any context does not really prove anything. Nor is there any talk of Poaching in there. There is talk of recruiting, but there is a large difference between Recruiting and Poaching.[/quote]
When you publicly declare an intent to specifically recruit members of another alliance, [b]that's poaching[/b].

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']Or no alliance would gain any membership. Unless you are trying to claim that no SOS member has the right to initiate talks with another alliance about moving. And the fact that your member lied to you about why he/she was moving says more about how much they trusted you than NsO gaining another member.[/quote]
Oh it was a rubbish member, no doubt about that.
However, the point is that NsO committed an act of war against the SOS Brigade by maliciously attempting to weaken the SOS Brigade (through poaching).

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']And spying? Seriously? Based off of something that happened before the member even left the SOS Brigade? Really? I can see why you wanted to keep this secret indeed.[/quote]
The person who had attempted to spy on the SOS Brigade continued activity towards gaining full membership in the SOS Brigade after that member had left the SOS Brigade.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']I had thought when I saw this that the SOS Brigade had actual proof of government involvement in this. That NsO had actually overstepped themselves. Instead I am treated to yet another smoke and mirror show of Locke trying to take tiny, disparate issues, and connect them into some giant conspiracy. Instead I get to see yet another attempt by the SOS Brigade to twist others words and actions and blame NsO for it. Where in each case the SOS Brigade simply takes the most convenient answer to them and ignores all other possibilities as if they cannot and do not exist.[/quote]
The NsO has repeatedly provoked and committed acts of war against the SOS Brigade.
Perhaps none of them are in your estimation sufficient to cause a war... but together they form a history of aggression that [b]must[/b] end.

[quote name='Kellory' timestamp='1308671178' post='2737315']You reap what you sow. If you were doing things right, then none of this would be happening to you. Each time you come here with an issue that was created, in no small part because of your actions to your membership, and play the victim. Even here there is only so many times you can cry wolf before others start to catch on.[/quote]
Prove to me where my actions have [b]directly and solely[/b] caused any of NsO's aggressions towards the SOS Brigade. You'll find it's quite impossible.

Edited June 21, 2011 by Arrnea

[Arrnea]

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1308671628' post='2737317'][color="#0000FF"]So SOS doesn't like to be a punching bag? Would you care to explain to me then why you let SCLB push you around and then not do anything about it? I mean surely nations attacking yours were a much greater offense. Yet you readily attack NsO for the grievous offense of [i]poaching.[/i] I believe it would be more appropriate to say that SOS will defend itself only against smaller and less connected alliances.[/color][/quote]
There are a very good set of reasons for that situation. Suffice it to say the SOS Brigade had every intention of defending itself there, even if it had to go in alone... however there were mitigating circumstances which prevented us from doing so and as a favor to some other people, we did not prosecute it.

[Varianz]

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1308671635' post='2737319']
Pure win
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I knew there was a reason I love you .

[Pollard]

Hey wait. Back before the NsO was formed, Tetris poached like 15 members from SOS. Where's the DoW on us???

Edit: I also advise SOS members to take advantage of my colleague's offer (see above)

Edited June 21, 2011 by Pollard

[LittleRena]

[quote name='Pollard' timestamp='1308672587' post='2737335']
Hey wait. Back before the NsO was formed, Tetris poached like 15 members from SOS. Where's the DoW on us???
[/quote]

You where too big for them.

And probably still are.

Edited June 21, 2011 by LittleRena

[Arrnea]

[quote name='Pollard' timestamp='1308672587' post='2737335']Hey wait. Back before the NsO was formed, Tetris poached like 15 members from SOS. Where's the DoW on us???[/quote]
You were allied to us at the time and we were happy to see our departing members join an ally before joining someone who hated us.

That was of course before we found out the full extent of what was going on.

[Jacapo Saladin]

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1308670010' post='2737294']
I'd have a lot more respect for SOS if you'd just said "we don't like you" instead of using some !@#$ CB. I look forward to seeing you burn.
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No, you would not. Anyone remember the DH conflict? Pretty much proved that "we don't like you" will be infinitely worse than "crappy CB"

[Rebel Virginia]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308672204' post='2737328']
There are a very good set of reasons for that situation. Suffice it to say the SOS Brigade had every intention of defending itself there, even if it had to go in alone... however there were mitigating circumstances which prevented us from doing so and as a favor to some other people, we did not prosecute it.
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[color="#0000FF"]Those mitigating circumstances being that SLCB would have mopped the floor with your sorry lot. Listen cupcake, if you think I am impressed by your ability to say nothing in so many words, you're wrong. As this discussion goes on you seem to be more empty and more ridiculous with your claims and justifications.

The reason you are acting on this "CB" is because you think you can get away with it, and you think that NsO's allies will reconsider defending it due to RIA's endorsement of your fun. I can only imagine how this will end up for you.[/color]

[Varianz]

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1308672804' post='2737338']
No, you would not. Anyone remember the DH conflict? Pretty much proved that "we don't like you" will be infinitely worse than "crappy CB"
[/quote]
Actually I'm pretty sure the universal NSO response to that was "well at least you were honest".

[Arrnea]

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1308672877' post='2737341'][color="#0000FF"]Those mitigating circumstances being that SLCB would have mopped the floor with your sorry lot. Listen cupcake, if you think I am impressed by your ability to say nothing in so many words, you're wrong. As this discussion goes on you seem to be more empty and more ridiculous with your claims and justifications.[/quote]
We were not ourselves unduly worried about SLCB having a military advantage.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1308672877' post='2737341']The reason you are acting on this "CB" is because you think you can get away with it, and you think that NsO's allies will reconsider defending it due to RIA's endorsement of your fun. I can only imagine how this will end up for you.[/color][/quote]
Again, not at all. We were fully willing to prosecute this war on our own with no outside support.
However, we have allies who agree with our justification and who are making that known.

[Thrash]

Best of luck, guys. It would be nice to see a 1 vs. 1 battle.

[Pollard]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308672681' post='2737337']
You were allied to us at the time and we were happy to see our departing members join an ally before joining someone who hated us.

That was of course before we found out the full extent of what was going on.
[/quote]

I thought events a while back taught us that 6 months was a perfectly normal amount of time to hold onto a CB for.

What are you waiting for?

[ShouAS]

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308673207' post='2737347']
Again, not at all. We were fully willing to prosecute this war on our own with no outside support.
[/quote]

Then you will make an official deceleration that you absolve RIA of the treaty and continue this fight knowing that no one will back you up? No? Didn't think so.

[Varianz]

[quote name='ShouAS' timestamp='1308673458' post='2737351']
Then you will make an official deceleration that you absolve RIA of the treaty and continue this fight knowing that no one will back you up? No? Didn't think so.
[/quote]
Why would you ever ask for such a thing?