The Network Hungers

[Tiberius C Nero]

None of that denies what my post was saying, it's a "coalition" taking us on. I don't know what you thought I was trying to state apart from that.

Because I'm not going to deny it, I'm not here to argue with you Drai.

You call it a "coalition" , I call it simply an angry mob of OP's tech raid victims

out for some payback, Big war was underway between OP and LE/Friends and these mid range alliances simply capitalized on the situation. There was no grand conspiracy to bring down OP.

The problem is OP has weak leadership, They either don't want to, or are unable to effectively enforce their own policies. Your own rules say no tech raiding of alliances bigger than 5 members.

Your Intel services should have been working the war screens and reprimanding offenders.

[Tiberius C Nero]

Have you checked the war screens? There are 4 major alliances fighting us right now. Even if some of them don't have great coordination to get more declarations out there, that doesn't changed the fact that their max capacity is close to ours, and that they are in fact, a coalition.

I don't see how those "10-30" man alliances negates the fact that we have 4 larger alliances fighting us...

Had you been more careful on your tech raiding practices, you would only be fighting 4 alliances.

[Drai]

Had you been more careful on your tech raiding practices, you would only be fighting 4 alliances.

Anything else not relevant to my point you want to bring up?

I said that those 4 alliances alone made up a coalition so I don't know why you want to keep on going on about those tech raids.

Edited November 13, 2009 by Drai

[Grags]

I don't speak for LE or any other alliance involved in the war. But if I say that we're a coalition, will you shut up about it? Who cares? If someone says its a coalition, do you think that all the alliances that hit you are all of the sudden gonna say, oops, we're sorry. If we say its a coalition, is TPF or someone gonna jump in and save the poor hapless OP alliance from utter annihilation? OP is putting up a great fight. This is an awesome war. Don't disgrace the fallen with tears over something that doesn't matter in the least! Just fight! (Or surrender if you've had enough)

OP is the big boy on the block this round. As the big boy, you know you're going to fight. You have a ton of pixel huggers in your alliance which hurts you in war time. Your leadership is self-serving and weak at best. You guys are the ones that called out the rest of TE just after the war started with LE when you thought you were so high and mighty. You got what you asked for, and now you're crying about it.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Grags

[Titus Pullo]

I don't speak for LE or any other alliance involved in the war. But if I say that we're a coalition, will you shut up about it? Who cares? If someone says its a coalition, do you think that all the alliances that hit you are all of the sudden gonna say, oops, we're sorry. If we say its a coalition, is TPF or someone gonna jump in and save the poor hapless OP alliance from utter annihilation?

No, but it does give us the satisfaction of knowing you couldn't handle us alone and didn't have the guts to attack us without your friends tagging along.

[Grags]

I'm sorry. I didn't realize all OP was looking for was to have their egos stroked and to have acceptance in the realm of TE. To work out THOSE issues, I won't be the best person to speak to. Maybe Dr. Phil is free!

As for LE's guts, hey, we don't have anything to prove. We've earned our respect. And hopefully, one day, you guys will also. Good luck.

And I would like to state once again, for the record, that I DO give props to OP for their fighting (at least the ones I am against). See LE can recognize a good scrap, and we appreciate a good fight.

[Tiberius C Nero]

Anything else not relevant to my point you want to bring up?

I said that those 4 alliances alone made up a coalition so I don't know why you want to keep on going on about those tech raids.

Yes Drai them 4 alliances do make up a coalition, That was widely known since the war started.

The other alliances (ODN, R&R, Flying Kiwis, etc. etc. ) comprise an angry mob who are bandwagoners and opportunists.

[Ferdinand I]

Yes Drai them 4 alliances do make up a coalition, That was widely known since the war started.

The other alliances (ODN, R&R, Flying Kiwis, etc. etc. ) comprise an angry mob who are bandwagoners and opportunists.

Exactly! Well put.

[Style #386]

The bawwing in this thread is incredible, especially for TE. I think I'mma join the "bandwagon" and see if we can't get a little more petulant rage out of Elborrador there.

[Clash]

My opinion, on this instance? Nobody's a coalition, nobody's a bandwagoner and for cryin' out loud everyone shush and get over it. It's not like all these alliances got organized and declared war together on day 1 or whatever - THAT would be a coalition. They are slowly trickling in and they don't seem to be much working together at all. I do not see the signs of people coalitioning here just because it's a bunch of alliances on one side and one big one on the other. That alone does not a coalition make.

These other alliances aren't bandwaggoning either, it's just taking them a little while to get all their members together to fight. This is the good side of a strung-out treaty web, instead of a 5-1 curbstomp, we're starting to inch slowly towards an even fight. Because they aren't working together, OP still has an advantage in getting a good head start against probably the toughest nation-per-nation alliance in the fight, LE. Still don't know why some OP are complaining so much.

Holy crap, some people just want to fight for fun in TE. Amazing concept.

Here's their chance. So who cares? Just fight.

This could be a lot of fun if people weren't crying so much.

[Titus Pullo]

Holy crap, some people just want to fight for fun in TE. Amazing concept.

Let's see, people create defensive pacts because they want to fight? The entire purpose behind defensive pacts is to intimidate any contenders into not attacking you. Treaties prevent wars, they don't perpetuate them.

[Style #386]

Let's see, people create defensive pacts because they want to fight? The entire purpose behind defensive pacts is to intimidate any contenders into not attacking you. Treaties prevent wars, they don't perpetuate them.

Or to bring your friends along for the ride.

[Kyriakos Raanb Dorou]

Just thought I'd point out (to clear up certain speculations) that, to my knowledge, Ordo Paradoxia has never raided any member of The Flying Kiwis. Nor have we had any negative interaction before this war started (or even during the war, that I have seen).

The war first came to our attention when WAPA was asked to assist LE in an anticipated war against OP (anticipated largely because of the screenshots posted by Tiberius12, I suppose - though I do not know all the evidence LE may have taken into account when it made this prediction). As was mentioned in our own DoW, there has never been a single Perth war which we have not participated in during our three-round existence (among those wars the WAPA/Aztec vs. LE war in Round 7). And our relationship is such that, if WAPA declares, we declare (unconditionally). This war is no different, in that respect.

OP has not committed any great wrong, that I have noticed, however. At least certainly not against The Flying Kiwis. As such, we have no reason to dislike them (and I maintain a rather high opinion of them, as far as TE alliances go).

[Clash]

Let's see, people create defensive pacts because they want to fight? The entire purpose behind defensive pacts is to intimidate any contenders into not attacking you. Treaties prevent wars, they don't perpetuate them.

Yes, they create defensive pacts so they don't get curbstomped when they want to fight. Like in 5-1 wars for example. They rest is just your opinion. Believe it or not people do things for reasons other than whatever you want. They have their own opinions.

All these alliances do not have one big, fat treaty. It's a whole bunch of little treaties. There isn't any one big organization, they aren't working together and they are just coming in when they feel like fighting. I don't know why you're complaining so much in every stinkin' thread. You're winning, until a couple more alliances come in. Maybe they will, maybe not. If it were all plotted out it wouldn't be as much fun.

[Diomede]

It's a very common misconception then.

And if you would supply us with a nation link i'm sure we could sort some sort of war out for you Apologies for you lack of attackers, there are so many Paradoxians to go around...

I am offended that you need a nation link, good sir.

Tech raiding big alliances is an act of aggression..

It is, but people are stupid. OP wasn't the only alliance of substance to raid a larger alliance, and I've dealt with a few of them before. So far TPF has been the most cordial whether it was an OP or TPF nation in the wrong. Anyway, ODN would have been more than welcome to launch counter-raids on the OP raider. It'd teach the numpty a lesson and he might follow orders next time!

Holy crap, some people just want to fight for fun in TE. Amazing concept.

Here's their chance. So who cares? Just fight.

This could be a lot of fun if people weren't crying so much.

Completely agree. While some things OP members have been saying might not be wholly true or maybe even wrong, we really aren't crying though.

[Banksy]

tbh- I'm unaware of any Raids by Ordo on the ODN. If there were any- it appears they were only ghosts. We entered this conflict in support of LE. That is all.

Oh- and Diomede- we tried to arrange a little present for you- tell me if it arrives on time

[Diomede]

Yes sir.

[Drai]

Or to bring your friends along for the ride.

Do it without a treaty then.

[Yankees Empire]

I like the view from this bandwagon.

For orange! For glory!

[Diomede]

I like the view from this bandwagon.

For orange! For glory!

View's better here. It's even green.

[Titus Pullo]

View's better here. It's even green.

but... we're on the Blue team dippy.

[TheEraser]

Just thought I'd point out (to clear up certain speculations) that, to my knowledge, Ordo Paradoxia has never raided any member of The Flying Kiwis. Nor have we had any negative interaction before this war started (or even during the war, that I have seen).

The war first came to our attention when WAPA was asked to assist LE in an anticipated war against OP (anticipated largely because of the screenshots posted by Tiberius12, I suppose - though I do not know all the evidence LE may have taken into account when it made this prediction). As was mentioned in our own DoW, there has never been a single Perth war which we have not participated in during our three-round existence (among those wars the WAPA/Aztec vs. LE war in Round 7). And our relationship is such that, if WAPA declares, we declare (unconditionally). This war is no different, in that respect.

OP has not committed any great wrong, that I have noticed, however. At least certainly not against The Flying Kiwis. As such, we have no reason to dislike them (and I maintain a rather high opinion of them, as far as TE alliances go).

and the truth finally comes out, this was a planned coalition to take on OP.

seriously guys, man up like this fine gent here, and just admit this was a coalition war. stop hiding behind your false morality you cowards.

[Diomede]

but... we're on the Blue team dippy.

I got nuked.

[Titus Pullo]

I got nuked.

You can't be nuclear blue?

[Owned-You]

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