Subtleknifewielder Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 ***Classified to Cochin*** Somal was going to have a presence, naturally at the trials of the criminals that inflicted the flu vorus on them. As you are currently stepping in for their government, I would appreciate it if, when the time came, you would also represent them at the trials. ~Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerreyRough Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You are, essentially, making a stake in Africa. When you built your industries and bases there, you assumed the possibility of complete destruction and failure. The fact is that we will not have any form of Asian military presence within Africa that holds distinct sovereignty over a portion of land. That is out of the question. The UMS is all for compromise, but you must know that your military bases will never function at the capacity they once did. Somal allowed military forces there, and now you are telling them to get out of the very land they gave them? This foreign power is not out to take over Africa and oppress the people. Rather, those industries help the local people and give them income; what will happen to them when this comes into place? Are you not out to help the people, or to take down foreign powers that are helping Africa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serg92 Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Somal allowed military forces there, and now you are telling them to get out of the very land they gave them? This foreign power is not out to take over Africa and oppress the people. Rather, those industries help the local people and give them income; what will happen to them when this comes into place? Are you not out to help the people, or to take down foreign powers that are helping Africa? Im all for them to keep thier industires there. We will even let them keep Bosas. But the fact is we cannot allow him to have military forces anywhere outsie of the city. He will have to big a military presence in Africa and that is against NAPO poloicies which i may remind you Somal created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Im all for them to keep thier industires there. We will even let them keep Bosas. But the fact is we cannot allow him to have military forces anywhere outsie of the city. He will have to big a military presence in Africa and that is against NAPO poloicies which i may remind you Somal created. And which Somal made an exception for in the case of Cochin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Somal allowed military forces there, and now you are telling them to get out of the very land they gave them? This foreign power is not out to take over Africa and oppress the people. Rather, those industries help the local people and give them income; what will happen to them when this comes into place? Are you not out to help the people, or to take down foreign powers that are helping Africa? You see, Somal was in sovereign power of itself when Cochin was granted military access. The bases et. al. were overseen by them. Now if Cochin wishes to keep their industries there, we have no qualms. They can keep the city and by all means a treaty can be drafted. However, if they wish to keep a military presence... that is not acceptable. Please pay attention when statements are being made, sir. Our only qualm is the military process, not the economic implications. Again, we are willing to compromise on this issue even at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 You see, Somal was in sovereign power of itself when Cochin was granted military access. The bases et. al. were overseen by them. Now if Cochin wishes to keep their industries there, we have no qualms. They can keep the city and by all means a treaty can be drafted. However, if they wish to keep a military presence... that is not acceptable.Please pay attention when statements are being made, sir. Our only qualm is the military process, not the economic implications. Again, we are willing to compromise on this issue even at that. If the doctrine was introduced by Somal, yet they made the exception for it, should not the exception be permitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 The Republican Military Government of Transvaal is glad to see the end of this renegade regime in Somal(ia). They had been an unstablising force on the continent since their appearance and further proof that the most stable and peaceful regieme to ever govern Somalia was the Transvaler occupation last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 If the doctrine was introduced by Somal, yet they made the exception for it, should not the exception be permitted? We are permitting their industries to remain, and again we are willing to compromise on military involvement. This could include capped military numbers, etc. We aren't steadfast on one idea... we are willing to work this out as Cochin was a close ally to Somal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 We are permitting their industries to remain, and again we are willing to compromise on military involvement. This could include capped military numbers, etc. We aren't steadfast on one idea... we are willing to work this out as Cochin was a close ally to Somal. Ah. Then we apologize for the misunderstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Sounds like a tentative agreement has been reached then, it's just a matter of detailing the agreement. We'd like to see some concrete proposals with precise terms so that Cochin knows the current desires of the nations with an interest in this matter and their expectations, we can work from that going forward in negotiations. Edited July 24, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 We would, ideally, permit the industrial components to remain, and demilitarize the entire zone. That is, though, an ideal situation for us. Cochin, how built up are the bases and what capacity can they hold troop-wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 We thank you all for making your positions clear. The terriotory of Bosaso currently stations one Infantry Regiment and has equipments to deploy 2 Shock Army Divisions. This land force was stationed as part of our defebnse framework with Somal. With the fall of their government we do not foresee the necessity of basing such a large land army contingent. We are willing to downsize the army contingent to the bare minimum required for base security. The air force base is currently home to a regiment of Mig35s (50 Nos). It has capacity to base another 3 regiments. We are wiolling gto downsize the air force contingent however complete demilitarization is out of teh question. The Bosaso Naval Base is state of the art and is currently home base to a Cruiser Task Force. It can support a total of 2 Carrier Task Forces and a Marine Task Force apaort from a cruiser Task Force. The naval base also will not be subject to demilitarization. If african nations need a guarantee of non expansion promises of Cochin surely they coule be well satisfied by the far diminished land force contingent we shall station in Bosaso. A complete demilitarization could be seen as a precursor to subjugation and annexation. As we have said earlier we have made considerable investments. About the buffer zone, Currently Bosaso consists of a 40 km x 40 km zone which is completely built up. A demilitarized buffer zone of 20 km x 20 km outside of this border is acceptable to us, however the territory shall be economically built up by us and shall be policed by our civilian police forces and shall be considered sovereign territory of Bosaso. Please understand why we are averse to toptal demilitarization. With Somal we had a degree of trust which guaranteed our security. However with their fall we cannot assume a similar degree of trust. Hence we ask that we be permitted to maintain a token land force for purely defensive purpose. We are planning to station a reinforced Mechanized Brigade in Bosaso taking in consideration the new strategic realities. The Air Force base shall hold station for the present regiment of fighters. Naval Base shall not be subject to any demiltarization. OOC: My computer is dead so forgive me if I cannot respond very soon. I shall be on diminished activity until Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 If it is a matter of defense, we can assure its safety by a non-negotiable treaty of non-aggression, and subsequently mutual defense in the Bosaso region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 If it is a matter of defense, we can assure its safety by a non-negotiable treaty of non-aggression, and subsequently mutual defense in the Bosaso region. It is indeed a matter of defense hence we shall station one mechanized brigade in Bosaso. That will in anyway be far too small for any expansion and one cannot capture any territory with air force and navy. A Mutual Defense Treaty is not acceptable at this point of time as we do not intend to station sufficient assets to be able to defend fellow signatories in any case of conflict. We hope we have an understanding. 1. 60km x60 km territory centered around Bosaso port, (40mk x 40km of it already covers existing Bosaso City) rest 20 km x 20 km to be demilitarized sovereign zone which would be open to development. 2. Royal Cochin Army to downsize its presence from 1 Infantry Regiment to 1 Mechanized Brigade. 3. Bosaso to be a sovereign territory of the Kingdom of Cochin. 4. Non Aggression, Free Trade Pact to be signed with concerned North African countries. 5. Somal Protectorate to be handed over to NAPO. 6. No Expansion in Africa Treaty to be signed by Kingdom of Cochin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 If the final terms are acceptable to all parties involved perhaps we can sign on it? We have finally decided the land component will not be any unit from Royal Cochin Army, however it shall be a brigade from Border Guards. We plan that our embassy and diplomatic mission in M'Bossa shall stay active to better coordinate relief measures with the Somal people until a government forms up. We are hopeful that we can maintain better relations with NAPO after the issue is sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serg92 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I Find the terms to be acceptable and shall sign once UMS agrees to the terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 It is indeed a matter of defense hence we shall station one mechanized brigade in Bosaso. That will in anyway be far too small for any expansion and one cannot capture any territory with air force and navy. A Mutual Defense Treaty is not acceptable at this point of time as we do not intend to station sufficient assets to be able to defend fellow signatories in any case of conflict. We hope we have an understanding. 1. 60km x60 km territory centered around Bosaso port, (40mk x 40km of it already covers existing Bosaso City) rest 20 km x 20 km to be demilitarized sovereign zone which would be open to development. 2. Royal Cochin Army to downsize its presence from 1 Infantry Regiment to 1 Mechanized Brigade. 3. Bosaso to be a sovereign territory of the Kingdom of Cochin. 4. Non Aggression, Free Trade Pact to be signed with concerned North African countries. 5. Somal Protectorate to be handed over to NAPO. 6. No Expansion in Africa Treaty to be signed by Kingdom of Cochin. Due to the complications a NAP can create in conflicts, we ask Cochin authorize these clauses at the Imperial Level and that it be considered an Imperial Treaty. We would stand solidly beyond our imperial brother in these actions and vote in favor of the terms they have proposed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 The UMS agrees to the terms, but we also wish that Cochin give timely inquiries as to any major military actions within the region... or for that matter any major action in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I Find the terms to be acceptable and shall sign once UMS agrees to the terms. We thank you for your cooperation. Due to the complications a NAP can create in conflicts, we ask Cochin authorize these clauses at the Imperial Level and that it be considered an Imperial Treaty. We would stand solidly beyond our imperial brother in these actions and vote in favor of the terms they have proposed here. These clauses shall be brought to Dragon Empire Legislature for ratification. The UMS agrees to the terms, but we also wish that Cochin give timely inquiries as to any major military actions within the region... or for that matter any major action in general. We shall stick to our army deployment of one Border Guards Brigade. We do not at present seek to be an active political participant in the region. If UMS has any concerns regarding any future action in Bosaso we shall definitely welcome your inquiries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Alright, we agree to the terms then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 "The terms have been accpeted by the Empire. Cochin may sign for us since this is their baby." The Chairman chuckled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serg92 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Terms are agreeable with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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