Vol Navy Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 My statement is pretty clear. I have several billion dollars. I will launch nukes until it's gone. Then my nation is gone. If anyone doesn't like it, I do not care in any way, shape or form. I don't care about honor. I don't care about the future. The future is non-existent beyond the limit of my war chest. It may not amount to much in the grand scheme of things, but it pleases me to do this. Once NPO pre-empted us with 0 reason last war, they bought this ticket from my nation. That is my feeling, this is how it will play out in my nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Do you think anyone care's what you do or do not have an issue with?, if TPF wish to be at war with NPO for years that is on them, what does it have to do with you and why should they care if you have an issue with it?, TPF are going to be curb-stomped by NPO and friends, so what if they want to drag it out for years, if i recall you did not complain to NPO when they held FAN at war for years. so why now when its someone going to war with NPO do you have an issue with it ? I agree with this. Let TPF do what they want. While you have an opinion with how TPF should react, truth is that there are others who have a different opinion with how ODN sat comfortably and watched STA burn. You're wasting your breath. Edit: statement towards OsRaven Edited February 16, 2016 by Lord Hitchcock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devialance Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 My statement is pretty clear. I have several billion dollars. I will launch nukes until it's gone. Then my nation is gone. If anyone doesn't like it, I do not care in any way, shape or form. I don't care about honor. I don't care about the future. The future is non-existent beyond the limit of my war chest. It may not amount to much in the grand scheme of things, but it pleases me to do this. Once NPO pre-empted us with 0 reason last war, they bought this ticket from my nation. That is my feeling, this is how it will play out in my nation. Good luck and enjoy it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Actually I wasnt around when NPO held FAN in war for years. Well I suppose tech right at the end I was around, but I was pretty much a clueless new guy. I wasnt supporting it certainly. When I became aware of it (around karma), I admired FAN for holding out and had a severe distaste for any who would do that to them. How hypocritical would I be that I supported FAN against NPO if I didn't now support NPO over TPF? When TPF is waging an aggressive eternal war? Its not about size to me, its about right or wrong. IVe fought against NPO and with them over the years. And ive no idea whether anyone cares if I have an issue with it or not. I also don't care if they do or don't. To me it seems wrong. Im going to share my opinion for that in the public venue made for sharing that opinion. You are free to ignore me, argue with me, or scream in rage. I oppose certain things in bob. Reparations. Eternal wars. A few others. I oppose them whether my allies do them or whether enemies do them. Ive certainly shown over the years ill take unpopular stances because its what I agree with. So yeah. Multi year wars are disgusting. In my personal opinion. Whether thats my ally doing it or my enemy. Edited February 16, 2016 by OsRavan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeguy Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Actually I wasnt around when NPO held FAN in war for years. Well I suppose tech right at the end I was around, but I was pretty much a clueless new guy. I wasnt supporting it certainly. When I became aware of it (around karma), I admired FAN for holding out and had a severe distaste for any who would do that to them. How hypocritical would I be that I supported FAN against NPO if I didn't now support NPO over TPF? When TPF is waging an aggressive eternal war? Its not about size to me, its about right or wrong. IVe fought against NPO and with them over the years. And ive no idea whether anyone cares if I have an issue with it or not. I also don't care if they do or don't. To me it seems wrong. Im going to share my opinion for that in the public venue made for sharing that opinion. You are free to ignore me, argue with me, or scream in rage. I oppose certain things in bob. Reparations. Eternal wars. A few others. I oppose them whether my allies do them or whether enemies do them. Ive certainly shown over the years ill take unpopular stances because its what I agree with. So yeah. Multi year wars are disgusting. In my personal opinion. Whether thats my ally doing it or my enemy. It's going to be ok Raven. Just take a few deep breaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devialance Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Actually I wasnt around when NPO held FAN in war for years. Well I suppose tech right at the end I was around, but I was pretty much a clueless new guy. I wasnt supporting it certainly. When I became aware of it (around karma), I admired FAN for holding out and had a severe distaste for any who would do that to them. How hypocritical would I be that I supported FAN against NPO if I didn't now support NPO over TPF? When TPF is waging an aggressive eternal war? Its not about size to me, its about right or wrong. IVe fought against NPO and with them over the years. And ive no idea whether anyone cares if I have an issue with it or not. I also don't care if they do or don't. To me it seems wrong. Im going to share my opinion for that in the public venue made for sharing that opinion. You are free to ignore me, argue with me, or scream in rage. I oppose certain things in bob. Reparations. Eternal wars. A few others. I oppose them whether my allies do them or whether enemies do them. Ive certainly shown over the years ill take unpopular stances because its what I agree with. So yeah. Multi year wars are disgusting. In my personal opinion. Whether thats my ally doing it or my enemy. So what was your stance on NPO hitting TPF with no reason and no warning other than NPO not being able to control TPF anymore?, now if you are going to comment on anything about TPF avoiding wars, lets bring up the list of alliances that has done that, ODN being one of them. If TPF wish to hold NPO at war until their WC run out, that's on them. I was there when NPO, ODN and others who supported Goons (the real one the first one) During their shark week, when they would randomly pick nations to attack then demand tech or total war on the alliance, not sure if you are about then, but if you really stand up for things you think are wrong, then join an alliance that has not crossed the line you are so willing to stand up for?, and to point out there are only two i can think of OBR and GPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) IVe no issue with that actually, considering they werent allies. Ive no issue with TPF hitting NPO here either. I DO have issues with talk of the war going on for years. I am in an alliance that during my time in it has acted properly. IF I had an issue with my alliances actions I wouldnt be in it obviously. So yeah. Again. I actually approve of wars that are started because of 'i dont like you.' I was fine with it when TPF did it now. I was fine when MK did it in grudge war. I'm always going to be fine with that. I get TPF is now playing coy and refusing to give a clear answer on eternal war on principle. But ive seen now a few statements about wars going on over a year (whether they can pull it off or not is another question). That to me is the no-no. Not the aggressive action. edit to add: And I wasnt around for the goons thing to answer your question there. Im not qualified to argue about it one way or another. If you want to talk about say DH-NPO going forward i'm well versed. Slightly less well versed but present for bi-polar and karma. Edited February 16, 2016 by OsRavan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 IVe no issue with that actually, considering they werent allies. Ive no issue with TPF hitting NPO here either. I DO have issues with talk of the war going on for years. I am in an alliance that during my time in it has acted properly. IF I had an issue with my alliances actions I wouldnt be in it obviously. So yeah. Again. I actually approve of wars that are started because of 'i dont like you.' I was fine with it when TPF did it now. I was fine when MK did it in grudge war. I'm always going to be fine with that. I get TPF is now playing coy and refusing to give a clear answer on eternal war on principle. But ive seen now a few statements about wars going on over a year (whether they can pull it off or not is another question). That to me is the no-no. Not the aggressive action. edit to add: And I wasnt around for the goons thing to answer your question there. Im not qualified to argue about it one way or another. If you want to talk about say DH-NPO going forward i'm well versed. Slightly less well versed but present for bi-polar and karma. And what are your thoughts about sitting back and watching your ally, STA, burn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) lol my thoughts are that is a pathetic attempt to change the subject. I bring up an issue with eternal wars... you can't argue it... so we switch topics to something completely different? Where you try to smear me on point B to distract from point A? IF you want to debate my views on STA i'm happy to do so. In the appropriate venue. Feel free to send me a message. Im not sure what it has to do with a topic about whether TPF going to war with NPO, or whether TPF is pledging to wage a war for years, or whether multi year wars are acceptable. edit to add: And i'm now going to dinner so you will all have to argue without me for a bit heh. Edited February 16, 2016 by OsRavan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 lol my thoughts are that is a pathetic attempt to change the subject. I bring up an issue with eternal wars... you can't argue it... so we switch topics to something completely different? Where you try to smear me on point B to distract from point A? IF you want to debate my views on STA i'm happy to do so. In the appropriate venue. Feel free to send me a message. Im not sure what it has to do with a topic about whether TPF going to war with NPO, or whether TPF is pledging to wage a war for years, or whether multi year wars are acceptable. The point is that your opinion on TPFs matter is condescending considering you AAs own moves that have been viewed as controversial... Only difference is that TPFs isn't cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Actually I wasnt around when NPO held FAN in war for years. Well I suppose tech right at the end I was around, but I was pretty much a clueless new guy. I wasnt supporting it certainly. When I became aware of it (around karma), I admired FAN for holding out and had a severe distaste for any who would do that to them. How hypocritical would I be that I supported FAN against NPO if I didn't now support NPO over TPF? When TPF is waging an aggressive eternal war? Its not about size to me, its about right or wrong. IVe fought against NPO and with them over the years. And ive no idea whether anyone cares if I have an issue with it or not. I also don't care if they do or don't. To me it seems wrong. Im going to share my opinion for that in the public venue made for sharing that opinion. You are free to ignore me, argue with me, or scream in rage. I oppose certain things in bob. Reparations. Eternal wars. A few others. I oppose them whether my allies do them or whether enemies do them. Ive certainly shown over the years ill take unpopular stances because its what I agree with. So yeah. Multi year wars are disgusting. In my personal opinion. Whether thats my ally doing it or my enemy. This is not an offensive war. This is still Oculus Decree #2. One could view this as TPF being TPF. Extremely loyal to their allies (MI6 & STA) by letting them get out of the war that they personally wanted to not end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 MI6 & STA should do the honourable thing and follow suit. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Have fun TPF, you guys are great folks and I completly understand you reason for this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devialance Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 MI6 & STA should do the honourable thing and follow suit. :) So you just want more targets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Obsessed much Os? You speak as though the scourge of TPF is just bullying little old NPO. They're taking it much better than you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 MI6 & STA should do the honourable thing and follow suit. :) Why not do the honorable thing and defend NoR, afraid of losing your stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 the true destroyer of The Phoenix Federation, may pacifica live forever!!! The true destroyer of your own alliance is obviously yourselves..... Idiots... :facepalm: Ciao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Why not do the honorable thing and defend NoR, afraid of losing your stats? I for one would absolutely love to lose all my pixels for NoR, our closest ally. I mean, lets face it. IRON and Oculus would be nothing if not for.... What was the na- Oh yeah.... NoR. Go NoR and your one expired war! Oculus will crumble without you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conistonslim Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Hmm... I would like to say I am sad to see this but honestly I couldn't care less. Judge, HS, MP enjoyed our conversations. Have fun on the way out and good luck in the other realm when you all decide to leave. I would stop by your forums to say good bye but that seems rather unlikely so I say them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rileyaddaff Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 lol my thoughts are that is a pathetic attempt to change the subject. I bring up an issue with eternal wars... you can't argue it... so we switch topics to something completely different? Where you try to smear me on point B to distract from point A? IF you want to debate my views on STA i'm happy to do so. In the appropriate venue. Feel free to send me a message. Im not sure what it has to do with a topic about whether TPF going to war with NPO, or whether TPF is pledging to wage a war for years, or whether multi year wars are acceptable. edit to add: And i'm now going to dinner so you will all have to argue without me for a bit heh.Pretty sure STA told ODN not to come in, if i remember correctly. Eternal war is whenever the aggressors(in this case) had enough and decide to part this planet. If anyone is still around in 6 months they deserve a round of applause. My question to is why didn't you invite me to dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I for one would absolutely love to lose all my pixels for NoR, our closest ally. I mean, lets face it. IRON and Oculus would be nothing if not for.... What was the na- Oh yeah.... NoR. Go NoR and your one expired war! Oculus will crumble without you?this is a super good way to build pr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conistonslim Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Pretty sure STA told ODN not to come in, if i remember correctly. This is correct. Anyone attempting to smear ODN on the merits of not defending the STA last war are barking up the wrong tree. There was good communication between our respective alliances leading up to the war. I personally asked ODN to stay out. Further more our treaty is non chaining giving the ODN every right to stay out had we asked them to come in and vice versa were our roles reversed, that's the purpose of non chaining clauses. And to reiterate for the reading impaired we asked them not to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 this is a super good way to build pr Please re-educate me about why I should give a fuck about an alliance we have nothing to do with..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Defender Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 TPF, still rolling hard 6s since 2007. Though next time you decide to nuke rogue/declare war on my alliance; Have someone in my NS range ;) Sorry you have some bad feels from your last outing with Pacifica. Things are not the same as they were from 2007 to 2015. It wasn't your fault, it was ours. Though guessing now the bridges are burnt. The treaty is dead, long live the treaty. And the carousel just keeps on turning..."We didn't start the flame war..." On the plus side on this Hard 6 TPF, more fresh baby meat for us, yum. Thanks for the entertainment. Keep it classy TPF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Speaking of classy, holy shit @ OP's sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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