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Karma = Greed?


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In the end, its all about the money (and tech).

As this epic war drags on into its fourth week, alliances and nations on either side of the fight are struggling under the burdens of government anarchy and radiation levels. Many are starting to wonder when serious work will be done on a peace deal.

I'm not privy to the negotiations, but I suspect that the hold up is the same thing that it always is - reparations. Tech and money. after all of Karma's lofty preaching and moralistic blabber, this is all coming down to tech and money. In essence, this epic war has degenerated into a giant tech raid.

So, let the world burn as Karma takes a new stand supporting glorious reparations and victorious retribution.

Well, someone let the rabble in. It is no surprise that they are looting the place.

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I've long contended that this war was about toppling the biggest powers and everything else was just superficial faux outrage. All that’s needed by the dogs in the middle of the pile is the justification for uniting against those at the top. Once the accumulation of the acts required to remain in power finally tipped the scales against the actors and towards the disenfranchised masses, those in the middle had the support they needed to begin the war.

Nice picture, btw.

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Lolwut.

First, of course reps will be asked of the core alliances; Karma never said everyone would get white peace, and that straw man is becoming increasingly annoying. However, if it were just about money, there is no reason for Karma to delay the end of the war; every day of fighting probably does more damage to Karma nations than the total reparations will be.

Your entire premise is ridiculous (no change there then ...), and your hatred of Karma is somewhat bizarre as an ex-member of an alliance destroyed by a hegemonic power over nothing.

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It is odd, Bob, except that Watchman was not around when NADC was rolled. Despite his protestations, he knows nothing about the NADC pre-BLEU war. It's no surprise, therefore, that he has no idea about how his beloved hegemony actually operates.

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However, if it were just about money, there is no reason for Karma to delay the end of the war; every day of fighting probably does more damage to Karma nations than the total reparations will be.

So, if it is not about the money, then what is this about? Retribution? Vengeance? How much tech and how much money does it take to pacify such vitriol?

It's no surprise, therefore, that he has no idea about how his beloved hegemony actually operates.

Is it anything similar to how Karma is operating?

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It's about retribution for some people, it's mostly about ensuring that justice is done and seen to be done. You've seen the storm that 'white peace' for some alliances has caused, and people thinking they've 'got away with it', and that perception is why the core alliances need to be shown not to have got away with it (by paying reps).

It's also about minimising the damage that Karma have taken from a devastating war, which is the initial purpose of reparations.

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It's also about minimising the damage that Karma have taken from a devastating war, which is the initial purpose of reparations.

I have no problem with that. In fact it seems very reasonable. However some alliances are now thoroughly beaten, yet the wars continue. Once great and powerful alliances are empty shells of their former selves, yet the wars continue. Why? One reason - reparations. If I did not know better, I would say that retribution and reparations played a primary role in this war.

Yet, Karma seems to have taken a moral stand against those types of reparations.

In my opinion, reparations should be used only to recoup war costs. They should not be used to punish enemies. I thought Karma would be a refreshing change in that regard. Apparently not.

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It's also about minimising the damage that Karma have taken from a devastating war, which is the initial purpose of reparations.

I have no problem with that. In fact it seems very reasonable. However some alliances are now thoroughly beaten, yet the wars continue. Once great and powerful alliances are empty shells of their former selves, yet the wars continue. Why? One reason - reparations.

Incorrect. The ongoing wars are not continuing because of reparations. They are ongoing because the alliances currently being beaten have not been beaten down enough. I'm not going to sit here and justify that or rail against it. I'm just saying, reparations has never been a major factor in deciding when these wars will end.

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Incorrect. The ongoing wars are not continuing because of reparations. They are ongoing because the alliances currently being beaten have not been beaten down enough. I'm not going to sit here and justify that or rail against it. I'm just saying, reparations has never been a major factor in deciding when these wars will end.

Echelon is one alliance that comes to mind. They have gotten the hell pounded out of them? For what? Standing up for their allies? They were the first 1V alliance to support NPO, iirc. They have fought fair and honorably. I am pretty good friends with their finance minister. His nation has gone from 68K NS to only having 200 infra left. He is still getting pounded.

It is a giant tech raid.

When is enough enough? Look at echelon's stats. They're toast. Yet, the carpet bombing continues. They deserved that for what reason?

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You're asking me for what reason does Echelon deserve to be pounded into dirt? Hmm... how about for putting allied nations on their ZI list. Yes, long before you came around, Echelon decided it was acceptable to put an NADC nation on their ZI list, despite supposedly wanting to rebuild ties with NADC. Rather than talk to us, Caffine decided it was better to let this person sit on ZI for a few months, waiting for an answer on when he was let off. That is how Echelon treated their friends, I can only imagine how they treated their enemies.

Echelon has their share of horrible acts to make up for, and they are making up for them now. Echelon, like IRON, TPF and NPO, committed some of the worst acts during their time as Kings and Jesters, and are now finally paying for them. As far as I'm concerned, they can all hit ZI before we let them go with white peace (if I was in charge that's how it would be.) Give me the name of someone free from any Terms of Surrender and I will gladly send them some tech that I have received from IRON. This is not about tech or reps, this is about people finally getting the $@! kicking they so richly deserve.

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You're asking me for what reason does Echelon deserve to be pounded into dirt? Hmm... how about for putting allied nations on their ZI list. Yes, long before you came around, Echelon decided it was acceptable to put an NADC nation on their ZI list, despite supposedly wanting to rebuild ties with NADC. Rather than talk to us, Caffine decided it was better to let this person sit on ZI for a few months, waiting for an answer on when he was let off. That is how Echelon treated their friends, I can only imagine how they treated their enemies.

Echelon has their share of horrible acts to make up for, and they are making up for them now. Echelon, like IRON, TPF and NPO, committed some of the worst acts during their time as Kings and Jesters, and are now finally paying for them. As far as I'm concerned, they can all hit ZI before we let them go with white peace (if I was in charge that's how it would be.) Give me the name of someone free from any Terms of Surrender and I will gladly send them some tech that I have received from IRON. This is not about tech or reps, this is about people finally getting the $@! kicking they so richly deserve.

Every NADC nation ruler that was on Echelon's ZI list that I know of deserved to be on that list. Then, Echelon in all their evil, decided to release them from ZI - every one of them.

you're right. They are evil.

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