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Deserters are scum!


Kzoppistan

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As with almost every situation understanding the context is vital for making a judgment of another's actions.

In my mind, what is right or wrong is clearly defined:

First, deserters are scum.

Now, to qualify that particularly harsh statement, here is the justification. Joining an alliance means entering into a pact, a contract if you will, where both parties agree to uphold the tenants of the charter. If one or the other party does not uphold their end of the bargain, the contract is broken. The offended party then has no obligation to continue upholding their part of the contract.

As a nation leader is the sole decider for what is best for their own nation, they have the right to come and go without impinging upon their reputation if they follow the proper procedure as outlined by the charter. But, in several situations, like war, the nation leader agrees to abide by the decision of the military or alliance commander regardless of the damage done to one's own nation.

Unless otherwise stipulated by the charter, surrendering is not desertion. Surrendering is a viable tactic for preserving your forces from ruin and for fighting another day. As long as one fights with the best of their ability for as long as possible, they have fulfilled their obligation of going to war. A person who surrenders and is still in debt to their alliance should return at the earliest moment possible. Those that are not indebted are free to go their own way. A person who surrenders without fighting to any discernable degree has failed their duty. Even when faced with overwhelming odds, a leader must fight until unable or commanded to stand down unless otherwise stated by the charter.

As stated before, when an alliance fails to uphold their end of the bargain, the member has the right to leave without repercussions. If an alliances fails on their end due to incompetence and the member is harmed because of it, then the member is free to go their own way but not due any reparations. They just have to face the fact they made a poor decision to join that particular alliance and suck it up. If, however, the alliance breaks it's side of the bargain with willful malice intended to harm their member, that member is in their right to seek retribution how ever they are capable.

Those are the legalities, now comes what is a bit more subjective to others but still clear in my mind for proper conduct. If a person has received more than they contributed to an alliance, they are indebted to that alliance; if not in writing, then in spirit. If a nation has given more than received, as long as they follow the proper procedure as outlined by the contract they agreed to, who could fault them for wanting to go their own way to protect their nation?

Whether or not a nation is in their right to turn on their previous alliance depends on the manner of which they exited that contract. If a person quits under reasonable terms and then turns against their previous alliance simply because they disagree with them on moral grounds, then they deserve no support, and attacking without justification is frowned upon. If a person is purposefully harmed by their alliance, the public should support them in seeking reparations, either by diplomacy or might. Whether they have the ability to enforce that right or defend themselves against their own wrong doing is a different matter altogether.

Deserters are those that break their contract, especially when doing so just to save their own skin. If a person is against the direction or actions of their alliance, they are still obligated to fulfill their part of the bargain until such time that they can exit gracefully or until the alliance fails to uphold their end of the contract.

Since this is a contentious part of the discussions lately, I'll add this bit, too.

How can an alliance simultaneously claim to protect their nations and yet order them into a war? Especially with the foreknowledge that war will not be won?

Simple: sometimes one must sacrifice a little now in return for something greater later. By demonstrating the ability to fight in the cause of a treaty, an alliance exchanges their infrastructure, money, lives, technology, and time, for things even more valuable: respect, honor, and a good reputation. As reputation is the currency of international affairs, the investment is often worth it. By risking their blood now, they ensure greater protection for themselves in the larger sphere of multiple alliances.

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I agree wholeheartedly with your argument, however there will always be certain leaders which baulk at losing their long-term time investment in their nation. One can only hope that these individuals can be weeded-out in peacetime.

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While I agree, I will attempt to provide an argument for the sake of being the Devil's Advocate.

Generally, we can align CN moralities along one of two areas, each as a representation of the individual's choice. Represented in the extremes, they are:

Either we can act purely in what we, the individual thinks what is "morally" right

or

We can act purely for the sake of the alliance, or the larger community to which we are bonded (alliances acting on behalf of other alliances).

Essentially, your argument is one of the two arguments for following the second morality (what I think of as the Cyberverse "Right"). However, let us consider the first argument (what I consider the Cyberverse "Left"). Let us suppose that we have a nation, Alberta, ruled by Benjamin Costanza (ABC). His nation was just called into duty to serve his alliance to fight in a war in which he did not support the general side on which he was fighting. Being still a relatively new nation to the alliance, he still has a substantial debt to fulfill to his alliance.

ABC is essentially caught between the two moralities: does he fight for his alliance, repay his debt to the alliance, even though he disagrees with why he's going to war? Or does he leave his alliance to fight against what he perceives as the forces of evil? To answer the question, perhaps it's best to start with a different starting point - where can he spend his resources to make a bigger change for "good" in the Cyberverse? If he could do more "good" by fighting what he believes are the evil forces (and thereby abandoning his alliance in its time of need), with all of the costs and benefits weighed into effect, isn't it possible that it is more morally "good" to leave the alliance?

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Either we can act purely in what we, the individual thinks what is "morally" right

or

We can act purely for the sake of the alliance, or the larger community to which we are bonded (alliances acting on behalf of other alliances).

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one "deal" made between nations who join an alliance - Mandatory Defense. Note - mandatory aggression is NOT part of the deal - regardless of what military position one has or who is "ordering" what - we're all leaders of our own nations.

So "alliance" = mutual agreement to defend each other if one or more is attacked. If that doesn't happen, that's desertion.

Everything else - friends, education, tech deals, aid, trade, a loan, you can get all them without joining an alliance. That being the case, as far as I'm concerned, until one or more alliance mates are attacked - a nation should be free to come and go as that nation leader pleases.

Yup - I'm squarely in the far "left" of your description :D (OOC: But since CN is supposed to be a "nation simulation game" might as well act like leaders of nations as opposed to some peon who signed up to join some larger nation and can be "ordered" to "go here, fight this person, fight that one" just because some "leader" of the alliance made a mandatory treaty with alliance A or B.

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