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Policy Regarding Tech Received From Multis

Keelah

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Regarding Tech Received From Multis

The moderation team has been researching, discussing and reviewing the issues surrounding tech received from nations deleted as multis. We have provided the information found during our research to admin. With the approval from admin the following new policy has been established starting today:

Any tech received from a nation that is deleted for a multi will be removed.

We have reviewed such nations from over the past year or more. In some cases, the technology received from multis is considerable. This is unfair to the majority of people who have played by the rules. We may remove that tech. It is possible that we may also go farther back. In any case, we reserve the right to review past offenders and adjust nations as deemed necessary.

This announcement is for information purposes only and not for interpretation. Any responses that are in violation of the forum rules will result in a warn. Speculating and posting accusing others of having multis will result in a full warn, not a verbal. Multi reporting should be done in the correct forum.



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Tech received from illegitimate nations is itself illegitimate, and should never have existed if everyone was being honest rule abiding citizens. If everyone could keep their tech because they can feign plausible deniability saying they paid for the tech then why delete tech farm multis at all? Anyone who receives tech from a multi is, even if unknowingly, a part of the wider machinations of that multi's activities.

The hope now is that the tech revocations happen suddenly and without warning so the infringers will get a sudden shock to the system and learn to get tech from sources that can be trusted.

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Not only has the horse already run out the barn but it raised a family and retired somewhere warm. However, it certainly is a step in a direction.

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Now you just have to clarify what a multi is, because based on your current policy and its application I'm not finding a clear definition anywhere.

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Here's some fun numbers to look at:

The multis deleted in a sample period of one year sent out tech resulting in 364 nations receiving more than 1,000 tech each from those multis alone.

In the same time period of that aid being sent, there were 116,644 nations total that received aid.

The top 10 nations who received tech from that sample group of multis, received a combined 144,401 multi tech. The #1 having received 24,501 tech from multis.

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The top 10 nations who received tech from that sample group of multis, received a combined 144,401 multi tech. The #1 having received 24,501 tech from multis.

Pretty sure that is called taking the piss out of the rest of us.

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And here I thought everyone who got monstrously huge in the last year or two was just intrinsically better at Cybernations than me and everyone I know and everyone who's ever played the game up until recently.

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Here's some fun numbers to look at:

The multis deleted in a sample period of one year sent out tech resulting in 364 nations receiving more than 1,000 tech each from those multis alone.

In the same time period of that aid being sent, there were 116,644 nations total that received aid.

The top 10 nations who received tech from that sample group of multis, received a combined 144,401 multi tech. The #1 having received 24,501 tech from multis.

Heres something fun to look at: That nation hasn't had any tech removed.

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Interesting move. Especially brave given the steady bleed of players.

Here's to hoping that it will clean up actual issues and not simply double delete families, including younger children who wanted to play the game they see their parents playing. So far that is the only thing I have really seen happen. Though to be fair I am not spending very much time looking more deeply.

Good luck.

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You don't even know who it is.

You know we've got access to all of the tech sent as well on Lyricalz, RI5, and probably a dozen other offsites, right? It's not hard to figure out who got the multi tech.

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You know we've got access to all of the tech sent as well on Lyricalz, RI5, and probably a dozen other offsites, right? It's not hard to figure out who got the multi tech.

Such speculation, maybe the moderation team haven't got around to removing the tech yet? Let them do their job and focus on the current conflict.

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You know we've got access to all of the tech sent as well on Lyricalz, RI5, and probably a dozen other offsites, right? It's not hard to figure out who got the multi tech.

You know that you don't have the slightest idea as to what nations were and were not deleted as multis, right?

I can assure you that you do not know whether the #1 nation has or has not had tech removed yet.

You will not be notified of who, when, and how much tech was or will be removed from individual nations.

To remind you:

We have reviewed such nations from over the past year or more. In some cases, the technology received from multis is considerable. This is unfair to the majority of people who have played by the rules. We may remove that tech. It is possible that we may also go farther back. In any case, we reserve the right to review past offenders and adjust nations as deemed necessary.

This announcement is for information purposes only and not for interpretation. Any responses that are in violation of the forum rules will result in a warn. Speculating and posting accusing others of having multis will result in a full warn, not a verbal. Multi reporting should be done in the correct forum.

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Really need to take this one step further and delete upper tier nations who have received a large amount of tech from multiple multis. Surely these nations knew what they were doing and knew what they were doing was against the rules.

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Really need to take this one step further and delete upper tier nations entirely who have received a large amount of tech from multiple multis. Surely these nations knew what they were doing and knew what they were doing was against the rules.

Unfortunately, the most you can do about that is speculate. Of course, under the current rules who's a multi and who isn't is largely speculation without heavy self-incrimination.

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Here's some fun numbers to look at:

The multis deleted in a sample period of one year sent out tech resulting in 364 nations receiving more than 1,000 tech each from those multis alone.

In the same time period of that aid being sent, there were 116,644 nations total that received aid.

The top 10 nations who received tech from that sample group of multis, received a combined 144,401 multi tech. The #1 having received 24,501 tech from multis.

I have a few questions about this new initiative. The idea seems good to me, less multies make a better game, but i have a some concerns.

1. You say that the top cheater guy gained 24,5k tech in a year by multies alone. With perfect slot effiency you can get 36x600=21600 tech in a year. If you are right that someone gained 24,5k tech in a year by aid, then you have bigger problems than multies, if not then your calculations are wrong.

2. Do you investigate nations who were banned previously or do you look for all active nations who seems to be on free tech?

3. What about nations, who proved to be multies, but seemed to be tech dealing at usual selling rate in the past?

4. How many nations are involved? You seem to have a few usual suspects (given my tech, i guess it includes me), but today basically every bigger (and a lot of upcoming) nation is receiving a lot free tech. Do you have enough resources to really investigate every suspicious nation or just some nations that seemed to hated by part of the community?

5. How do you figure out aid date for previous years and deleted nations? Do you use external (and might be not so reliable, due to alliance bias) databases like lyricalz?

6. How do you make a difference about alliance tech programs and multi rings? Today most alliance is pumping top nations tech, while multiple nations are allowed in the same network, how can you figure out who's a multi and who's not?

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Unfortunately, the most you can do about that is speculate. Of course, under the current rules who's a multi and who isn't is largely speculation without heavy self-incrimination.

I think if someone received 20k tech from multis, it wouldn't be speculative to assume he or she knew they were getting illicit tech.

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What about nations who bought tech from nations in good faith, only for those nations that sold the tech to be deleted for being a multi. How does one know if the nation selling you the tech is a multi? Why should the buyer acting in good faith be the one penalized?

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What about nations who bought tech from nations in good faith, only for those nations that sold the tech to be deleted for being a multi. How does one know if the nation selling you the tech is a multi? Why should the buyer acting in good faith be the one penalized?

Any tech received from a nation that is deleted for a multi will be removed.

Illegitimate tech is still illegitimate, no matter if it was received in good faith or bad. Otherwise everyone could claim good faith hereon out and deal with multis exclusively with no statistical repercussions. We aren't going to look at every drop of tech sent on a case by case basis and determine who did and did not know, and we certainly cannot just ask people on an honor system. And no, good faith buyers aren't the one penalized, everyone involved is. Multis, bad faith buyers, and good faith buyers. An across the board neutralization of illegitimate tech going forward.

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