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OWF Dead = Game Dead

Steve Buscemi

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No big surprise here, but as inactive as CN is, as dead in the toilet as this game has become.....is anyone surprised the degree of deadness in the OWF, AP specifically?

I usually just go in their to troll and post stupid !@#$, but there isn't anything to even troll anymore.

There was this push a while back.....it's always been part of CN leadership, but it's gotten worse over the years. What some alliances learned is the best way to run alliances is to only say positive things about others. It's smart, don't get me wrong, even if dishonest. But it's damn boring. And it's part of the reason the game is dying.

I remember the OWF saber rattling days of ole. I miss you.



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Ok breh, I don't need a moralist kool-aid lecture if thats what this is leading to, you used to raid before Polar said you couldnt.

It has nothing to do with morals, nor does it having anything to do with raiding-

It has to do with your "I don't hug infra" comment followed by your refusal to buy infra actions.

Also- I'm not your "breh"

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So, back on point.

If you don't like it, do something about it. Join a micro, or make your own. Quit waiting for other people to make the game interesting, do it yourself (or if you feel less ambitious, seek out one of the pariahs that is already doing so - we are usually grateful for help.)

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Micro drama rarely achieves sustained or wide-reaching interest, though. Surely the real challenge is to shake up politics in the established alliances?

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all micro drama does is make people less likely to join either alliance involved, because as soon as you even think of responding to methrage your alliance has become a joke

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So, back on point.

If you don't like it, do something about it. Join a micro, or make your own. Quit waiting for other people to make the game interesting, do it yourself (or if you feel less ambitious, seek out one of the pariahs that is already doing so - we are usually grateful for help.)

I have no interest in investing thousands of hours of work in a nation simulator to attempt to break up what amounts to OOC circle jerking for the amusement of a handful of people.

That card isn't going to work.

It's not 2006 and I'm not 18 anymore with too much time on my hands. Folks have repeatedly gone out of their way to kill the game -- advocating for "change," (re: proposing that large nations become even more powerful,) that has lent its current shape -- a diminishing pool where most "new," nations fall into the wonderful "multi," rule. None of these nations have any impact on the game, of course -- because they require ~ 2-3 years of unhindered growth to get at a moderate size, while those above them grow logarithmicly. Meanwhile, the game has reached a protracted stage where less inclined political folks are weeded out (usually,) before they can reach a position to do anything interesting (In Cybernations, people consider self-immolation interesting.). Those that do find themselves talking to a vast good ol' boys network that will log your address of actual residence in addition to whatever plotting you may dare think about.

SE needs a reset, or the plug pulled -- claiming that folks espousing this sentiment are part of the problem is rather ridiculous and contrary to any objective statistical analysis.

We've reached a point where there are only 2-3 growing communities within the game, and they're all looking at OTHER games to sustain themselves as opposed to continue to waste their time here.

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I recruit new players all the time. They are out there, but new players don't want to join alliances where they are being underpaid for tech (and they are aware of that fact).

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The game's on cruise control on a straight desert highway, and has been since the day it started. It just took a while for most folks to notice. But really, as to why it's 'boring', that's easy enough to explain. Nobody wants to lose, which is pretty funny since the game has no end. So the only way to 'win' is to attach yourself to a much larger group or to simply stop playing. Most people have chosen the latter option.

For me, the 'game' died in 2008 when many of you people ('you' being CN players as a group) decided that the IC/OOC line was no longer a thing, and then cheered as the ToS was torn to shreds in the process.

If players want to know what the problem is, they should try looking in a !@#$@#$ mirror.

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There's never been an IC in the first place for most people.

And therein lies the problem.

For me, it's never been a big deal since I've always been quite content to "roleplay" as myself.

I am a real-life, actual penguin.

I used to be a walrus, then I woke up one day and was suddenly transformed into an aging Egyptian kleptomaniac.

I'll probably end up as a walrus again.

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Indeed. Some of us make the effort, and in the end it really isn't so much of an effort if you have a couple of brain cells to rub together and a tiny bit of imagination.

Wow - historic. I have agreed with both Schattenmann and Mogar in this discussion.

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playing as a character, holding grudges, and in general having a personality away from the norms of the game is a political liability. on the individual and alliance level. the only fun that ever comes anymore is people making "mistakes" - which they will be sure to remedy after the beating they inevitably get for daring to have fun in a game. just like in real life, the most successful are those who are or who mimic the strategy of corporate sociopaths - seek power, mimic a "reasonable" humanity out of self-interest. what did you guys expect people to do, purposefully make decisions that they think are bad OOC, and play a game with a purpose other than to win? the vast majority of you don't think that socialism can "work" IRL because of "human nature" (see: selfishness), but you expect thousands of people who don't know each other to cooperate and play completely fairly for this game wherein nothing even matters? when we won't even do it when billions of actual lives are on the line? when a lot of people actually have invested hundreds or thousands of dollars on putting an edge on their pixel power?

i enjoy getting my ass kicked in this game because it's a lot more fun, to me, than logging into have a bunch of idiots tell me what to do in a game that we're supposed to play in order to have some fun and let off steam. i reject the political game and gladly take my lumps, and i think the only thing worse than being one of those min-maxing !@#$%^& who turns this game into their life is refusing to be like that and then !@#$@#$ whining that you don't get to win when you refuse to play the most effective way. CN could only have ever turned out this way and there's nobody to blame for it at all. the only thing you can do is accept it, move on, and enjoy what's left in whatever way you want to while it lasts.

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