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The ever bitter Dre4m War- part 2

Lucius Optimus

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So in my first piece I touched on how the Limitless Coalition could potentially "win" this war. Because of the destruction wrought on the Libertarian Party during the conflict, Meth's best (and only) option is a full scale assault on the lower tier nations of STRIPES, Kashmir and NSO. Pretty much every active nation under 10k NS would have to be hit repeatedly. This would have the effect of paralyzing the Dre4mers ability to grow their small nations. It is an uncouth underhanded way to fight the war; but it is very valid. The hope is that Meth would be able to continue this type of warfare for long enough that the leadership and membership would just get tired of fighting this way and sue for peace to end it. How long would that take? couldn't say...three weeks? three months? a year? until STAR WARS episode X? who knows. But most of the danger here can be avoided using peace mode.

Now for the Dre4mers the road to total victory is slightly more treacherous. But I believe there is a way so I submit to you-

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Lucius's grand plan to end the Dre4m War

(for good)

First thing we must understand when fighting people like the Libertarian Party of CN is that things like: nation strength, nuclear anarchy, nation development, infrastructure, self preservation, war chests, and paying tech deals matter very little to them. So how does one deal with the near completely unreasonable? SRA and Kash tried to end the war quickly by simply rolling 80% of the LN allies yet Meth shows no sign of calling it quits. When we are faced with challenges like these we have look beyond the battlefield and into the politics that brought about this great little war. Why is Meth at war in the first place? I think it all boils down to his senate seat. He campaigned hard to get it, so now he fights harder to keep it. Thats right, in order to win the war I propose that the Dre4mers re-destabilize the Brown Sphere.

PHASE 1- Identify LN sympathizers

This phase will involve a lot of research into brown voting. Identifying Meths voters outside the main group and convincing them to not vote libertarian...by any means necessary. At 228 active brown nations and of those only 138 allowed to vote, there can't be that many targets. Between \m/, STRIPES and NSO it will be easy to identify and track the meth supporters, keeping them in the crosshairs. While this is going on, nations in range of Meth, Sigrun, Jonesville, and pacifis will continue keeping them in anarchy. This will help to minimize the risk of them striking back.

PHASE 2- The moneybags

The Dre4mers must endeavor to stop Meths foreign backers. This is perhaps the most dangerous part of the operation as there may be severe consequences for attacking The Grand Lodge of Freemasons and increase the chance of expanding the war further.

Breaking Sigrun is also key here as she seams to help hold the Meth coalition together financially. If Sigrun quits, Meth will have to think about it.

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PHASE 3- Invasion of Brown

After making pacts with major brown alliances, the Dre4mers coalition will then switch however many nations they need to brown team. Of course they will be immediately exposed to sanctions by Meth but the sanctions should be expected. The goal here will be to further weaken the Meth base on Brown and eventually elect a senator to counter him. If all went perfectly Meth should be driven from the senate and therefor powerless. At the same time, Kashmir must be watchful of a attempt by Meth to move his base to yellow.

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PHASE 4- the finishing move

With Meth and company effectively cut off from any major aid and vulnerable to sanctions, the Dre4mers would move in and attempt to bill-lock Meth and his main backers. Bill-locked and unable to continue fighting meth would ask nicely for peace on the Dre4mers terms. And the war would (hopefully) be over.

estimated completion time: three to five months

Messy? yup.. :facepalm:

Unreasonably complex? perhaps... :mellow:

Necessary? absolutely. Of course we could always have a delay of game until 2016 :war:

Please keep in mind this is all in theory. The war could go anywhere from here.

Part three will look into possible outcomes, treaties, and the general aftermath of the Dre4m War, And how it could effect the micro community.



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Here's something to think about- and personally, I enjoy your blog- one thing we can agree on is that 'micro AAs' are for lack of a better term, more fun.

With that, let's examine what this war is even called, "the dre4m war".

Named after a member who isn't even fighting anymore- he gave up.

So a war that he started and a war that your side is backing isn't even part of the war anymore- so now ask yourself, why are you still fighting the dre4m war named after a person who isn't even supporting it himself.

Bottom line, some sort of ego boost that will enevitably cause more purges and exterminations from both sides that aren't neccessary and in the long run will hurt you more than it will hurt us.

I think STRIPES is in the war because of the two waves of Minc attacks more than anything else. The official statement from Walsh said that SRA wasn't going to war with LN, but he never condemned the actions of Dre4mweaver.

I think the war should have been over when the BC broke up. Meth would have walked away with a senate seat, and SRA would have devastated the Meth Coalition with the option to resume the conflict later if they wanted to. The problem with giving the Meth side white peace then (as it is now) is that once it is granted your coalition will parade it around as a great victory and my side may lose face. In truth it is only half a victory (see part 1).

Both sides should stop talking about how wronged they have been by the wars, take a step back and look. Look at the long term consequences of dragging this war out for rest of 2015. So stop throwing the phrase permawar around and maybe Dre4mers won't talk about extermination.

I challenge you to talk to Meth and just ask him to stop making this war all about how wronged he has been. Get him to talk about a minimum one month ceasefire. I challenge you to de-escalate this war. You continue the Dre4m War as you plan to, and I promise you EVERYONE will lose. No one will win the Dre4m War without great cost to newer players/ our precious micros.

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I think STRIPES is in the war because of the two waves of Minc attacks more than anything else. The official statement from Walsh said that SRA wasn't going to war with LN, but he never condemned the actions of Dre4mweaver.

I think the war should have been over when the BC broke up. Meth would have walked away with a senate seat, and SRA would have devastated the Meth Coalition with the option to resume the conflict later if they wanted to. The problem with giving the Meth side white peace then (as it is now) is that once it is granted your coalition will parade it around as a great victory and my side may lose face. In truth it is only half a victory (see part 1).

Both sides should stop talking about how wronged they have been by the wars, take a step back and look. Look at the long term consequences of dragging this war out for rest of 2015. So stop throwing the phrase permawar around and maybe Dre4mers won't talk about extermination.

I challenge you to talk to Meth and just ask him to stop making this war all about how wronged he has been. Get him to talk about a minimum one month ceasefire. I challenge you to de-escalate this war. You continue the Dre4m War as you plan to, and I promise you EVERYONE will lose. No one will win the Dre4m War without great cost to newer players/ our precious micros.

Shocking to believe, but meth and I do not always see eye-to-eye, in fact, in the back channels there are slot that we disagree on- I've yelled at him many times.

And the focus of your topic can't be further from the truth- Methrage is on board for peace as much as we are and as much as sigrun is. Our side's coalition entered, and will exit as just that, a coalition. The terms we agreed upon as a coalition is white peace.

I assured xanth of this as well and I understand he's turning over a new leaf not because of us- but rather he'd like to focus on the prosperity of his new aa.

So if white peace is offered and accepted by your entire side- then our entire side will also be on board- and if they aren't, than that's an interanal issue amongst us and we will iron that out.

Methrage didn't start this war, he didn't attack his way into the senate. He was attacked because he took the time to get elected, he sent PMs, he campaign- and his response was an declaration from III%, FAN, and SRA members. Lady Dokota and the BC block wanted to monopolize the brown sphere and that alone has hindered the brown sphere.

The difference was that III% talked occured, FAN did one round, SRA members wanted to keep him on the ropes, the declarations continued- even to the point of being lazy and declaring right off of the SRA aa- and while walsh tried to console their actions to prevent SRA involvement directly, bottom line he did a poor job keeping his own members responsible for their actions and there was no assurance that it wouldn't occur again or even end at all.

That's why your side is at war- the time for negotiations long past as the clock ticked and our infra fell.

Now we are in a position to roll the tech supplies of your coalition and we indeed plan to until you accept our white peace.

On another note: I am actually in the pre-stages of a Monsters Inc podcast and I'd like to invite you to the show

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I think STRIPES is in the war because of the two waves of Minc attacks more than anything else.

:facedesk:

I am trying so very hard to believe that you are sincere but that is so far from the truth it's hard.

Walsh not only refused to take any action whatsoever in regards to dre4m, he then sent two more nations in after him, and posted public statements that we perceived as taunts and which he himself later admitted he might have perceived as such in our position as well. We made every effort over a period of time to work something out and he just kept pushing us instead. Then when the brown civil war ended and everyone agreed to peace - he sent more attacks instead.

I think the war should have been over when the BC broke up.

So did everyone but Walsh, and TDE and whoever else he was talking to in the shadows of course.

*EVEN DRE4M* - to the best of my knowledge and it's possible he lied to us but I wont presume it - even DRE4M himself agreed to end it there and gave his word.

Shortly later the same day Walsh overruled them.

The problem with giving the Meth side white peace then (as it is now) is that once it is granted your coalition will parade it around as a great victory and my side may lose face.

Unfortunately there is little that can be done about that. I was able to offer Walsh at an earlier point my personal guarantee that no one on my side would do that but he was not interested then, and at this point there's been so much provocation from your side I could no longer guarantee any such thing.

So at this point y'all have no option but to eat it. And I feel bad for you but not at all in any way like that is my fault.

Both sides should stop talking about how wronged they have been by the wars, take a step back and look. Look at the long term consequences of dragging this war out for rest of 2015.

The long term consequences for us are quite ok. You have to remember, at this point about 99% of the damage that can be done to us has been done. We are on the ramparts and we can easily kill your soldiers by simply dropping rocks off the edge. It's quite an amazing fortress, and very well supplied - we've worked tirelessly and with some efficiency for years to prepare for just such a siege, in fact.

As long as y'all keep throwing troops at us and insulting us in the forums we have no problem killing your troops and returning your insults. The end of 2015? What do you think is going to be any different in 4 months, except for the increasingly elevated level of desperation among our attackers?

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and again, you are in no situation to be issuing us "demands", that ship sailed a long time ago.

hence as your side stated "the most bitter mirco war in years"

*demand

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Is gravedigging a thing for blogs?

 

I don't know. I do know that most of this came true in the end. It took more than a year and things happened it a strange way, but they happened. The main difference however was that no voter intimidation/movement was required, all that was needed was time for LPCN to decline naturally, Hardin helped it along the way (when Junka inevitably proclaims victory over the LPCN all its sympathisers can blame him) but it was only a matter of time.

 

Also Meth's warchest didn't last months, it was literally like 3 weeks.

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2 hours ago, Blackatron said:

Is gravedigging a thing for blogs?

 

I don't know. I do know that most of this came true in the end. It took more than a year and things happened it a strange way, but they happened. The main difference however was that no voter intimidation/movement was required, all that was needed was time for LPCN to decline naturally, Hardin helped it along the way (when Junka inevitably proclaims victory over the LPCN all its sympathisers can blame him) but it was only a matter of time.

 

Also Meth's warchest didn't last months, it was literally like 3 weeks.

Yes for some reason everyone took forever to implement anythinglike this, and they let LPC sanction first. 

 

This was written at a time when LPC nations were similarly beat down. I assumed that the coalition would want to destroy them right away before they built up again. But alas...everyone decided to fight the Dre4m War over and over again for more than a year (I think 3 LPC wars since Dre4m war) . It has really held some people back.

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